Kryptos said:

NABU was one of the entities that Shokin investigated as a criminal enterprise, actually.

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Kryptos said:

You know, one thing about countries riddled with corruption, is that literally everyone is in on the take. If you're not in on the take, you're not in power. This is something I learned pretty quick in Russia. The question wasn't whether you followed the law, the question was whether you could afford the bribe.

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Kryptos said:

Last time I visited my family, I remember seeing a bunch of cameras everywhere. Why were there cameras everywhere? It wasn't security, though that was a side benefit. It was to prevent the road police from taking bribes. (Russia generally has two separate entities--one enforces traffic laws, one does actual police work and chases criminals). Same with government offices and other buildings. Places where I used to pass someone a thousand rubles (~20$) to look the other way I started having to wait in line and shit.

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Kryptos said:

Should Biden be investigated? Absolutely.

Should donald be investigated for kick-starting the investigation? Absolutely.

The fact that everyone is in on the take doesn't mean that the crimes of the former excuse those of the latter.

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I absolutely agree. 

Quote:

Trump said:
"It doesn't matter what I discussed, but I'll tell you this: Somebody ought to look into Joe Biden's statement,"

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Morel Guy said:

I don't think what Biden did is against US law.

It seems what Trump did may be.

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So withholding money unless they fire the investigator who is investigating your son is ok.  But withholding money so they understand why they fired the investigator investigating corruption is not ok?

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LogicaL Chaos said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-accuses-democrats-of-launching-a-ukraine-witch-hunt/ar-AAHDAs8?li=BBnb7Kz

Quote:

Trump said:
"It doesn't matter what I discussed, but I'll tell you this: Somebody ought to look into Joe Biden's statement,"

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Yeah America, these are private conversations between Trump and foreign leaders. This is his private biz over here.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Donald J. Trump Tweeted:

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

koods said:

Fal has the hugest soft spot for the most blatantly corrupt leaders around the world.

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Maybe YOU can tell us what Viktor Shokin did to get fired?  Not a generic answer, a specific one.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

koods said:

So the Ukraine reopened an investigation after trump started extorting them to do so. Looks like this was already investigated.

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Maybe you can show evidence that an actual investigation actually took place?  Or is that just make believe?

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

koods said:

it’s the first paragraph of the NYT article you posted.

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I don't see it.  Can you quote where it says the investigation was completed?  Or is that make believe?

koods said:

You think Biden went rogue? He was conveying an administration policy, not a personal agenda. The Obama administration wanted the corrupt prosecutor before they loaned Ukraine money. Do you have any evidence Biden was behind the policy? The interview you posted demonstrates Biden clearly felt he was tasked with informing the Ukranians of the policy.

At the time Biden went to Ukraine, the investigation into the Gas company had fizzled out and was not active. The government has also stated that the was no pressure from the US to drop any investigations  into the gas company

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Source?  Or make believe?  I have to ask because so many of your posts are make believe.

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So one make believe post after another after another, and you have no proof for any of these, but you just keep on make believing?     

koods said:

If you think what Biden did was wrong, your problem is with Obama. Biden was exercising administration policy.

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Ah, the old Nazi excuse...  "Don't blame me for exterminating the Jews, I was just following orders.

Kryptos said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Donald J. Trump Tweeted:

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And is this something that you believe 100% and do not question the legality at all?

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Oh that's rich.  You want me to provide evidence while you keep pushing a TON of make believe you haven't proven. 

I provided you that evidence a long time ago from the New York Times:

Quote:

Hunter Biden and his American business partners were part of a broad effort by Burisma to bring in well-connected Democrats during a period when the company was facing investigations

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

koods said:

Fal has the hugest soft spot for the most blatantly corrupt leaders around the world.

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Maybe YOU can tell us what Viktor Shokin did to get fired?  Not a generic answer, a specific one.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

koods said:

So the Ukraine reopened an investigation after trump started extorting them to do so. Looks like this was already investigated.

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Maybe you can show evidence that an actual investigation actually took place?  Or is that just make believe?

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

koods said:

it’s the first paragraph of the NYT article you posted.

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I don't see it.  Can you quote where it says the investigation was completed?  Or is that make believe?

koods said:

You think Biden went rogue? He was conveying an administration policy, not a personal agenda. The Obama administration wanted the corrupt prosecutor before they loaned Ukraine money. Do you have any evidence Biden was behind the policy? The interview you posted demonstrates Biden clearly felt he was tasked with informing the Ukranians of the policy.

At the time Biden went to Ukraine, the investigation into the Gas company had fizzled out and was not active. The government has also stated that the was no pressure from the US to drop any investigations  into the gas company

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Source?  Or make believe?  I have to ask because so many of your posts are make believe.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

I'm surprised this point hasn't come up yet:

Can anyone here tell me why United States Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, was removed from her position two months early?

For those don't like to Google, it's because the successor to the prosecutor that Biden kicked out said Yovanovitch gave him a "do not prosecute list".

Uh oh... 

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