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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: Phred]
    #9025911 - 10/03/08 10:59 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9025915 - 10/03/08 11:00 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I particularly like how she diverted the discussion of past mistakes to talk about the future.

that's the kind of bs you'd expect from someone oblivious to history.


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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9025928 - 10/03/08 11:04 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

And where in that post did I say anything about Palin's debate performance?

See, this is just one of the troubles I have with Obamabots. They don't actually read. They pass their eyes over the screen looking for a Pavlovian trigger word or trigger phrase, then when they spot it, their fingers reflexively start typing a regurgitation of an Obama talking point. Hit the "post" button and off to the next post by a dreaded "neocon".

Don't ever change, bro.





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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: Phred]
    #9025932 - 10/03/08 11:05 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

No, you're right you didn't say anything about the debate performance. I spoke too soon. But you're still in Palin's pocket and think her shit don't stink. It does, a lot worse then everyone else's.


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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: Gastronomicus]
    #9026088 - 10/03/08 11:34 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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No, you're right you didn't say anything about the debate performance. I spoke too soon.




So what have you been right about in this thread so far? That's right.... nothing.

Look, there is no one else in this forum (with the possible exception of zappaisgod) who has more people crouching in the wings waiting to pounce on the tiniest slip up I make. I know how Palin felt with Gibson and Couric, waiting for the "gotcha". Except in my case it's not a one-on-one, it's like forty-on-one.

So I don't casually post stuff of a factual nature I haven't thoroughly checked beforehand, and when I do, I make it plain that "it may not stand up to scrutiny down the road, so don't consider me married to it". You will note I expressed my surprise that the McCain campaign had that list of 14 up less than fifteen minutes after the debate's end. Did I defend all 14 at that time? No... of course not. I hadn't even seen the debate or read the transcript, so how could I possibly know if they even quoted Biden correctly, let alone were able to show he had fucked up? If within a couple of hours someone had been able to show how this or that point was incorrect, you wouldn't have seen me defending it - not my list, after all.

Thing is, here we are a day later and guess what? We've now assembled quite a few more than those 14 fuckups (or lies, to use the Leftards' favorite word) the McCain camp provided to start the ball rolling, and those original fourteen are standing up pretty damn well. As it turns out, Biden's "great performance" and "commanding grasp of foreign policy detail" yadda yadda yadda turns out to be a complete illusion.  Biden basically made stuff up as he went along and very few average Americans caught it.

And why should the average American catch it? The average American isn't a foreign policy wonk. That's why we pay Biden - to be a policy wonk. And that's why the media pays pundits - to do sanity checks on the elected policy wonks. Only this time around, guess what? The media pundits are letting it slide. Only the alternative media - those dreaded neocon bloggers sitting around their screens in their pajamas - are catching this stuff.

So yeah... polls taken seconds after the debate's end by CNN and CBS show Biden doing great. On a load of steaming crap.

It's a fucking disgrace, especially considering some of the absolute howlers he made. We kicked fucking Hezbollah out of Lebanon? Ummm.... in what parallel universe was that, Joe? And not a single post-debate commenter said boo.

You may disagree with my political philosophy and you may respect different politicians than I do, but you gotta admit I very rarely type anything here of a factual nature I can't back up solidly. If I did, you better believe there'd be people in this forum crowing about it.

So if I say something of a factual nature (as opposed to opinion) you believe is wrong, you might want to recheck your premises before posting. Up to you, of course.




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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: Phred]
    #9027395 - 10/04/08 08:44 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

> polls taken seconds after the debate's end by CNN and CBS show Biden doing great.

As I said before, if those polls were accurate, Ron Paul would be the next president.  With Ron Paul, the MSM quickly took the polls down and went to the pundits instead.  With McCain/Obama, they parade Obama around as if the polls have meaning and he has already won the election.  Another interesting double standard in the non-biased media.  (To be fair, the non-biased Fox News paraded McCain as the clear winner rather than Barry).


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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: Phred]
    #9029733 - 10/04/08 09:13 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Phred said:
How many more minutes till we see a similar list from the Obama camp?






This might interest you.



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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: layzdapipe]
    #9030022 - 10/04/08 10:46 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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layzdapipe said:
Quote:

Phred said:
How many more minutes till we see a similar list from the Obama camp?






This might interest you.






What is it with the endless fascination with videos?  Is it that you cannot fisk a video?  Take it apart point by point?  Quote from and piecemeal dice it into little pieces of idiocy?

Videos are for intellectual pussies.  Do you honestly expect anybody to watch an 11 minute video of MSNBC commenting on the debate?  People don't watch MSNBC in real time.


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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9030027 - 10/04/08 10:48 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Rachel Maddow has less credibility than Keith Olbermann.





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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: Phred]
    #9030098 - 10/04/08 11:07 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Is that the one who was picking her teeth up from the sidewalk outside a Manhattan bar?  Oh. never mind, that was Randi Rhodes.


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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: zappaisgod]
    #9030138 - 10/04/08 11:19 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I think another link from baseballcrank would have been just as good.


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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: Phred]
    #9031678 - 10/05/08 11:56 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Rachel Maddow has less credibility than Keith Olbermann.





Phred




So ive seen you arguing with people, and you expect people (redstorm im sure in my example) to read through pages and pages on websites, but you wont sit and watch a video because she talks against palin? And you talk about other people not wanting to hear "both sides of the table". Look at that quote she took from reagan, about medicare, she makes it into a war quote. Her shit stinks more than you think.

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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: layzdapipe]
    #9031704 - 10/05/08 12:08 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I'm sorry, while I resent Phred's constant poisoning the well strategies, I agree that youtube is a distinctly annoying format.


You sit there watching some crap that may or may not have anything to do with anything it was proffered to demonstrate.

And regardless, it is assuredly much more time intensive than simply reading the damn points.

Video is a very poor format to convey an argument in.


Coaster was arguing the rich pay less taxes, proportionally, than the poor, and that there's some 'green' energy source cheaper than coal once economies of scale are factored in, and when he was challenged he posted some 40minute diatribe by Gore.  No sources, no clear relevance, just empty rhetoric.


This is emblematic of the failings of youtube videos as either an efficient means of conveying an arugment or of being relevant whatsoever in even a generous minority of the cases they're posted.


Its like getting hit by 30 irrelevant Luddite links, only it takes you half an hour to determine they're entirely unrelated/worthless instead of 30 seconds.


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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: layzdapipe]
    #9031737 - 10/05/08 12:26 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I don't need to watch all eleven minutes of Rachel Maddow to know she's not the source for anything factual regarding Palin. Maddow is a hyper-partisan Leftard, and makes no bones about it.

As it happens, I did watch the first few minutes of the vid just to see what it was about. Maddow claims Palin "misquoted" Reagan. Palin didn't misquote Reagan at all. It's just that Maddow is all flabbergasted that the Reagan quote Palin used was from a radio address of his warning against the slippery slope socialized medicine leads to. So what, exactly, was Palin's crime here?

The idea was that the Leftards are all upset about the hundreds of blogs listing Biden's two dozen instances of bullshit-spewing during the debate, so Maddow was attempting to claim Palin was just as bad. But she didn't show this. Massive fail on Maddow's part.

And I agree with John about the video crap. There are times when no transcripts are available. In that case, watching a short video may be the only way to check a claim. There are also times when nothing will substitute for actually SEEING something disturbing - for example the video I posted recently of the Hitler Jugend Obama Youth BORG. There's no way to make a transcript of that display of indoctrination, it has to be witnessed to grasp the full spectacle.

But dueling videos as a primary discussion tool? No way.


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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: Phred]
    #9031758 - 10/05/08 12:34 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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Palin didn't misquote Reagan at all. It's just that Maddow is all flabbergasted that the Reagan quote Palin used was from a radio address of his warning against the slippery slope socialized medicine leads to. So what, exactly, was Palin's crime here?




seems reagan was right, we now have a marxist running for
office on the big ticket, how long before we reflect on the
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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #9031805 - 10/05/08 12:49 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I've said it here before and I'll say it here again now... if Obama wins this election, by this time next year we'll all be fondly reminiscing about the Bush era.

Well... maybe Annapurna1 won't be. But all the rest of us will.





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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: Phred]
    #9031826 - 10/05/08 12:54 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Im not going to type the whole video out for you just because you refuse to watch a video that isnt good about palin, if it were flipped youd be all over the video. It talks about mccain talking about eisenhowers letters, look at 7 minutes to 8 minutes of the video it says quite a few things she messed up on. She quoted jefferson, something he didnt even say, and when they contacted the mccain administration about that quote, they said theyd have to get back to them. You didnt watch the video, so how the hell are you going to ask me this question. There was another quote she pulled out of her ass and said it was from someone, who it wasnt even from again.

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So what, exactly, was Palin's crime here?




Dont ask questions like those if you dont view the whole text or video someone gives you to look at. From just yesterday and today reading from your other thread that is about palin and how you bitch at people for not wanting to see both sides of the table OR reading/looking at something you gave them to look at fully, I can already see that you, phred, are nothing more than a hypocrite. Im just going to put you on my ignore list, your not worth talking to. As ive done stated, get out of your dream world, palin is far from perfect. You talk about obama changing his views on shit, everyone changes their views on somethings at some point in time, even mccain, and palin.


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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: layzdapipe]
    #9031894 - 10/05/08 01:10 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

This thread is about the two dozen instances during the debate on Thursday where Biden spewed bullshit.

Palin, on the other hand, mispronounced the name of a general serving in Afghanistan and perhaps misquoted Thomas Jefferson. Maybe she did get the quote wrong, maybe she didn't. For the sake of argument let's  assume she did screw up a Jefferson quote.

That still leaves no comparison whatever to Slow Joe Biden, whether measured by quantity (two dozen for Joe, two or three for Palin) or by quality (the incredible stupidity of the "kicking Hezbollah out of Lebanon" bullshit versus mispronouncing a name).

What's more important here is not the incredibly high bullshit content of Biden's speech, but the MSM's non-reaction to it. Biden is getting a complete pass on many, MANY major blunders as well as outright lies, but Palin's comments are being dissected phrase by phrase and her very minor slipups are being trumpeted loudly and repeatedly as some sign of her evil deceptive Republican wiles or something.

The media is so far in the tank for Obama/Biden it's beyond parody.





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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: layzdapipe]
    #9031898 - 10/05/08 01:11 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

You still don't fucking get it, do you?  Content is irrelevant to our objection.  If you can't make a point in print you can't make a point.  You can at least skim almost any article in one or two minutes and usually you can read the whole thing.  With a video you have to sit through what is mostly filler to glean one statement.  Even Phred's Obamaborg video, which video is the actual subject of the post, only has to be watched for less than a minute to understand.  These 10 minutes of bullshit for 30 seconds of content are ridiculous.  Learn to read.  It's fundamental.


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Re: McCain camp gets in first licks regarding Biden's bullshit [Re: layzdapipe]
    #9031901 - 10/05/08 01:13 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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So what, exactly, was Palin's crime here?




Dont ask questions like those if you dont view the whole text or video someone gives you to look at. From just yesterday and today reading from your other thread that is about palin and how you bitch at people for not wanting to see both sides of the table OR reading/looking at something you gave them to look at fully, I can already see that you, phred, are nothing more than a hypocrite. Im just going to put you on my ignore list, your not worth talking to. As ive done stated, get out of your dream world, palin is far from perfect. You talk about obama changing his views on shit, everyone changes their views on somethings at some point in time, even mccain, and palin.




It would have taken you less text to just answer the fucking question.


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