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Luddite said: Rudy said he would continue to have the dividend tax cut. I hope he gets elected.
Ron Paul said he will work to have the income tax eliminated, as well as the death tax... He will cut taxes in general, as well as spending overall... I know he will get elected.
Which every adult with more than five functioning neurons not immersed in an alkaloid stew can see is completely absurd. Come down, f_g, come down.
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electing a former mayor to be president? it can't be any worse than electing the state idiot of texas can it? oh wait...
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Re: Rudy Giuliani - Bush 2.0 [Re: zappaisgod]
#7686434 - 11/27/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Anyone know where we can get an actual breakdown of the federal budget.. specifically where all the fed's INCOME comes from. I'd like to see how much and what % actually comes in income tax.
We can all talk smack about how possible/impossible it is to eliminate the income tax, but unless we know was % of federal income it makes up, then none of us really know how possible it is to abolish.
I bet it's about the same from income as we pay in welfare queen programs.
Eliminate both... problem solved for everyone
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Re: Rudy Giuliani - Bush 2.0 [Re: SlashOZ]
#7686470 - 11/27/07 03:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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NYC is more populous than several states and tougher to manage than most of them. It's like herding cats, dealing with all the fucking looney tunes commissions and councils. He did an excellent job in probably the toughest crucible for a conservative there is. I don't understand the hatred for Rudy here. He is essentially a realistic Libertarian. Fiscally conservative and socially liberal, at least as far as homos and whores goes. Drugs? Feh, nobody (Ron Paul=Nobody) is going to be able to reform drug laws because the people don't want them to. Too bad. Guns? I think his position is that NYC is not all of America. Me? I wish it was easier for me to get a hand piece but I don't even live in the fucking city. It's a state law. Rudy has no intention in extending NYC gun laws to the rest of the country, so I don't see why there is an issue.
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Re: Rudy Giuliani - Bush 2.0 [Re: zappaisgod]
#7686496 - 11/27/07 03:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it's because of his foreign policy really.
Personally I hate the guy. I think he's an egomaniac.... but I have a feeling I'll be voting for him. IThe only repubs I'd vote for would be Ron Paul and John Mccain, but they probably won't get the nod.
Any other republican vs HIllary and I'll go back to voting third party.
However.. Guliani's fiscally conservative, socially progressive... I can't complain too much about that.
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Re: Rudy Giuliani - Bush 2.0 [Re: zappaisgod]
#7686508 - 11/27/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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he is down with the sickness(sickness=war). i can't support a pro war candidate after i backed bush in the last two elections only to have him piss on my america. i want it back and i want it back in 2008. rudy has to close of a foreign policy to the neocons. at least bush like tripled aid funding to africa. however he keeps turning a blind eye to sudan. the whole conservative foreign policy is a contradiction right now. we decide it prudent to interfere on humanitarian issues from 20 years ago but ignore ones going on in the status quo? we support mideast democracy and turn out backs on the protesters who got shot and arrested in their sleep in myanmar? foreign policy isn't a real stickler for me as long as we don't contradict ourselves every few months.
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Re: Rudy Giuliani - Bush 2.0 [Re: SlashOZ]
#7686565 - 11/27/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, YOU are a contradiction. You object to Iraq, a bona fide threat, but want us to meddle in the Sudan, a worthless cesspool. Nonsensical.
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Re: Rudy Giuliani - Bush 2.0 [Re: zappaisgod]
#7686595 - 11/27/07 03:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i am not a contradiction. i was simply pointing out two of the contradictions that this presidency is committing as we speak. don't confuse me with this administrations actions.
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Re: Rudy Giuliani - Bush 2.0 [Re: SlashOZ]
#7686649 - 11/27/07 04:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you can't tell the difference between a Saddam-led Iraq and the Sudan you probably shouldn't vote. I can't force you not to but I can ask.
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Re: Rudy Giuliani - Bush 2.0 [Re: zappaisgod]
#7686784 - 11/27/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i can tell the difference. apparently the administration cannot since they claim humanitarian reasons for the invasion of iraq. my original point still stands. bush adminstration = walking talking contradiction. i mean a conservative presidency with a conservative congress for most of the two terms and we still have a 2 trillion dollar deficit. cutting va funding then going to war with two countries. increased trade with china but then increasing sanctions against cuba because they are communist. wake up zappa bush has about as much clue about the world as a new born earthworm.
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Re: Rudy Giuliani - Bush 2.0 [Re: SlashOZ]
#7691461 - 11/28/07 04:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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my original point still stands. bush adminstration = walking talking contradiction.
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i mean a conservative presidency with a conservative congress for most of the two terms and we still have a 2 trillion dollar deficit.
Unfortunately what we had was obviously NOT a conservative president or congress. They were just Republicans. What does their domestic spending have to do with foreign policy? From my research, the deficit this year is going to be around $200B, 10% of what you said. http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/25/washington/25budget.html?_r=1&ref=washington&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin If you mean government debt, it is much more than $2T http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt
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wake up zappa bush has about as much clue about the world as a new born earthworm.
Which puts him well ahead of you.
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Re: Rudy Giuliani - Bush 2.0 [Re: zappaisgod]
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Yet another cloistered dupe who thinks the MSM and his perfessers are a reflection of the people
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Re: Rudy Giuliani - Bush 2.0 [Re: zappaisgod]
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EntheogenicPeace said: It's funny that you're accusing me of being delusional when you are probably the only poster on this entire site who felt that so much as a single hair on the head of even one person in the entire U.S. was threatened by Saddam Hussein's government.
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By the way, the 'liberal media' is a reflection of the people who own them. Yes, in any profit-driven enterprise the dollar is the bottom line, not ideological commitment. Surprising that you need to get a basic lesson on how capitalism works from me.
You are very very funny. The NYTimes has been tanking horribly since Pinch took over and turned it into a Democrat Party mouth organ. These people aren't capitalists, they're idealists and they want to "change the world for the better". They aren't business people, they're crusaders. Meanwhile, conservative talk radio continues to make a profit. Newspapers and TVnews? Nope.
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Re: Rudy Giuliani - Bush 2.0 [Re: zappaisgod]
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fox news is just as biased as the NY Times
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Re: Rudy Giuliani - Bush 2.0 [Re: zappaisgod]
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I don't feel Saddam was a threat to America directly, but I do feel the was a continual threat to neighbors.
I wouldn't have been AS against the war if Bush would have just told us the truth.. the truth I hear from someone who's close to me who is an AF pilot: SADDAM HUSSEIN CONTINUALLY FIRED MISSLES at our military and tried to shoot down our planes in areas we were allowed to patroll... all throughout the 1990's .
I don't understand why Bush had to make all this hooplah (sp?) about WMD's when there were plenty of other things Iraq was doing that was violating UN regulations.
Just FYI: That person who's close to me (who I won't mention their relationship) who's a pilot, and a HIGH ranking one at that... has never voted republican. I never really asked her why.
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Ok, other than Luddite (who I'm not sure if he/she/it is an automated account that generates random posts or not), how many people on this site felt personally threatened in any way by Saddam Hussein, other than you of course?
I think Phred, lonestar, others This is what you said:
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It's funny that you're accusing me of being delusional when you are probably the only poster on this entire site who felt that so much as a single hair on the head of even one person in the entire U.S. was threatened by Saddam Hussein's government.
And now you want it to be their personal hairs. Let me tell you something pal, anybody who lives in or near Washington DC and NYC better damn well feel threatened. Personally. Didn't some Slovaks just get busted for trying to sell Uranium? Why yes, yes they did. And didn't Saddam have thousands of tons of Uranium ore? (aside from what he didn't get from Niger that one time according to Joe Wilson who the SSCI said was a boob). Do you think time stands still? At any rate, clearly what you said is a lie. Own it. Liar.Quote:
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The NYTimes has been tanking horribly since Pinch took over and turned it into a Democrat Party mouth organ. These people aren't capitalists, they're idealists and they want to "change the world for the better".
Even if they were a mouthpiece for the Democratic Party, so what? The establishment Democrats want war, arms sales to oppressive foreign governments & war profiteering in general every bit as much as establishment Republicans; they both feed at the same corporate trough. The primary difference is the Democrats do it with a friendlier face & more believable propaganda (propaganda nonetheless, though).
Now why did I mention the NYTimes? Do you remember? Because you wrote this:
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By the way, the 'liberal media' is a reflection of the people who own them. Yes, in any profit-driven enterprise the dollar is the bottom line, not ideological commitment. Surprising that you need to get a basic lesson on how capitalism works from me.
You need to get more familiar with these journalism dopes. They are true believers. They are willing to SACRIFICE the bottom line as long as they can SPREAD THE WORD. I find nothing friendly about nanny state welfare whores. It is I that they are trying to fleece. The only people who will benefit under the Dem welfare state will be losers. And them only for a while. Oh yeah, and the Dem politicians too. Why are you so convinced that you will be a loser, too?
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