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My Best Mushroom Medium Recipe
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Swizzers Master Medium Recipe

I've put allot of work & research into this. This enriched recipe hits every nutritional desire for the growth of mushrooms. The only difference for wood lovers is to add some sawdust.

This recipe is only for the growing medium (Fruiting Box). As it's specially designed for laying down & not made for cakes.

Expect Healthy Aggressive Growth, Satisfying Yields & Consistent Potency.

Non Woodlovers Recipe

Enriched Compost - (Branched Nutrient Base) - 50%
Corn Starch - (Starch Cellulose Source) - 10%
Rye Flour - (Branched Grain Nutrients) - 10%
Chicken Manure Pellets - (Great Nitrogen Source) - 20%
Perlite - (Moisture Regulation) - 10% - (Optional to add perlite to the medium I find it helps)

Add some granulated sugar to the water you'll be using to bind everything together.

Woodlovers Recipe

Less compost for this one more Wood, Moisture & Cellulose.

Enriched Compost - (Branched Nutrient Base) - 20%
Sawdust - 30%
Corn Starch - (Starch Cellulose Source) - 10%
Rye Flour - (Branched Grain Nutrients) - 10%
Chicken Manure Pellets - (Great Nitrogen Source) - 20%
Perlite - (Moisture Regulation) - 10% - (Optional to add perlite to the medium I find it helps)

Add some granulated sugar to the water you'll be using to bind everything together.

When you want to run another flush stab the medium all over & add more water. After that just keep moist with still water. That's about it. You're welcome.

Edited by Swizzer (05/11/19 04:09 AM)

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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: Swizzer]
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Have you ever grown a mushroom?

Perlite in a sub?
:justno:


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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: mushboy]
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Yes you don't want the entire bed to cake as you would want aeration & moisture regulation. Because if you were to go for a flush that perlite you decided not to add is not going to help you soak that moisture up further down if it all cakes up.

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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: Swizzer]
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Do more research on agar. Find agressive growth in a petri dish, then just use coir and verm. To each his own though. If you can get same results with leas effort why not?


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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: Swizzer]
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This sounds like a recipe for bacteria and mold. Sugar water?

Swizzer said:
Yes you don't want the entire bed to cake as you would want aeration & moisture regulation. Because if you were to go for a flush that perlite you decided not to add is not going to help you soak that moisture up further down if it all cakes up.


Who has ever had this issue? We all get multiple flushes after re-hydrating all the time.


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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: LtLurker]
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In all honesty, the perlite could be optional I just use it to help keep more of the medium hydrated instead of me not being able to get to dry parts if the entire thing cakes. Just break up the medium more before rehydrating when going for another flush I suppose.

Yeh sugar water is fine only at the step for bringing everything together before laying it down. After would strictly be still water.

Try it out sometime bro. With or without perlite as long as you follow what I just said. Share results :smile:

Edited by Swizzer (05/10/19 04:05 PM)

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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: Swizzer] * 1
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Man. The substrate doesn't provide nutrients, the grain does, the substrate retains water. Perlite is wrong, use vermiculite. Cubes don't need nitrogen, they aren't plants. All of your extra "nutrition" is just going to invite guests to dinner, like Baccilus, Penicillum and Trichoderma. KISS

And for God's sake don't stab your poor mycellium all over the place and poor sugar water on it. Are you trying to help people ruin their crops?


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Edited by Professor X (05/10/19 04:59 PM)

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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: Professor X]
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Have you used sugar water to help bring things together before?

There is no grain to this recipe. Only flour of grain. Everything else comes from Base & Enrichment. Ok I'll change the need to add more sugar water for a further flush. Cubes do consume Nitrogen bro.

I didn't mean breaking the mycelium up in a violent way other than creating space for the moisture to be absorbed jeez. It would propagate the moisture absorption better than just weeting the surface or dunking it anyway.

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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: Swizzer]
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Even if this does work, why would you do all that when people pull a half pound dry from a single tub with nothing but grain, coir and water?


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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: Alchemycologist]
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Alchemycologist said:
Even if this does work, why would you do all that when people pull a half pound dry from a single tub with nothing but grain, coir and water?


This

and do you atleast have images proving this worked for you. Seems like way too much nutrition to get any shrooms before molds take over.


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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: Swizzer]
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Swizzer said:
Have you used sugar water to help bring things together before?

There is no grain to this recipe. Only flour of grain. Everything else comes from Base & Enrichment. Ok I'll change the need to add more sugar water for a further flush. Cubes do consume Nitrogen bro.

I didn't mean breaking the mycelium up in a violent way other than creating space for the moisture to be absorbed jeez. It would propagate the moisture absorption better than just weeting the surface or dunking it anyway.


I have four tubs full of fungi right now that says you're wrong. Coir and Vermiculite substrate, hell, they fruit on 100% coir fine. Cubes eat grains. They are primary decomposers, you are confusing them with buttons that actually eat shit or pink oysters that eat nearly anything. Your recipe will only produce tubs full of Trichoderma


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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: Professor X]
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Can you post some photos or get more detailed about the recipe? Is it a 1:1 ratio to spawn?

Does it matter what order its mixed up in? Sugar water sounds like it would make the mushrooms taste better too...?

Thanks bro,

ps:  shmitty would love this

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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: Professor X]
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Are you still trying to argue Cubensis Mushrooms don't consume nitrogen from manure pellets at all?

I will post some pictures soon. I'll even make a video for the ratios etc.

I don't think they would alter the taste. The sugar water is more of a way to get glucose mixed in with the medium. Just like starch is a good way to push the cellulose levels up. I'm still curious to try microcrystalline cellulose in the future to see the difference from starch.

Edited by Swizzer (05/10/19 07:20 PM)

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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: Swizzer]
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But why? What kind of BE are you getting? Are you getting more potency, and if so how do you quantify it? Why do any of this shit that adds more risk than just some clean spawn and coir that gets 200% BE? What real world benefit are you getting in your final product?

Your idea sounds good on paper, but I've been growing 17 years and I've tried supplements. None actually had any benefit. I was just buying and measuring out more shit that didn't do anything real in the end.

Our goal here is to have as much yield as possible with the best potency in a cost and time efficient manner.


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Edited by Alchemycologist (05/10/19 08:05 PM)

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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: Swizzer] * 2
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cubes grow like weeds you do not need to give them extra anything.

adding additives to cubes is like ... having a slice of cake for dessert when dinner was the entire cake.


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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: Alchemycologist]
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Well I can confidently admit you've been growing them longer than me. No BE tests done yet.

But noticeable consistent cellular structure improvements, potency, growth & final yield quality.

You know I never said this was for cubes. If you guys have a standard around here that's great man I'm just sharing. Doesn't mean to say this would still work for cubes because it absolutely would.

Edited by Swizzer (05/11/19 04:11 AM)

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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: mushboy]
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mushboy said:
adding additives to cubes is like ... having a slice of cake for dessert when dinner was the entire cake.


But like who doesn't want extra cake?

I'm sure coir has been said.


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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: van hatton]
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Alchemycologist said:
Our goal here is to have as much yield as possible with the best potency in a cost and time efficient manner.



I must have missed that sticky. I thought we could all do what we liked.

I am going to be building a ridiculous fruiting chamber because I like to be creative. Am I going to be hounded if I post it here because it’s not what yall do?

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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: san pedro guy]
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Probably.  Post it in the artistic thread, we don't need new growers looking for info getting over excessive and bringing in more chances of failure.  Everyone has their own style and that's fine, but you'll catch flak if you post it like its the be-all, end-all solution.


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Re: My Best Mushroom Substrate/Medium Recipe [Re: StrohngBahd] * 3
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Here's how you should have done this thread to avoid getting flamed:

First, get a bunch of agar going with the same isolate. Next get it all on grain...enough to spawn 20 tubs. Then you'll need to spawn 10 of them to your mix, and 10 to straight coir using the techniques we accept as the norm. Be sure all spawn ratios are the same.

Grow them out and take detailed notes, compare final average dry weight of your tubs.

If your mix produces more weight on average than the standard coir substrate, then you have something and no-one can say is a waste of time and resources.

It's pretty common that new growers brainstorm up these wild ideas that will radically change how we grow mushrooms forever...but they never post any evidence.

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