Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

I'm unaware of anything that is human and not biological.

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I said that we are more than biological, which is why we have achieved so much, as a species. We have developed external tools and philosophical frameworks, which enhance our biology, and make us more capable as a species, than those species which were closely, biologically related to us.

Biology is not exclusively the basis for human discourse, but a factor. One which we often take measures to mitigate, for good reason.

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I don't think anyone would defend rape as a "natural reproductive basis" today, but with that being said, rape is obviously in our DNA and we wouldn't likely be here discussing the issue if humans didn't practice the behavior throughout our history.

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We would certainly be here without rape. That is just preposterous. We can reproduce without rape, and in fact that is generally the case in modern civilized society.

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qman said:

Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

I'm unaware of anything that is human and not biological.

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I said that we are more than biological, which is why we have achieved so much, as a species. We have developed external tools and philosophical frameworks, which enhance our biology, and make us more capable as a species, than those species which were closely, biologically related to us.

Biology is not exclusively the basis for human discourse, but a factor. One which we often take measures to mitigate, for good reason.

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I don't think anyone would defend rape as a "natural reproductive basis" today, but with that being said, rape is obviously in our DNA and we wouldn't likely be here discussing the issue if humans didn't practice the behavior throughout our history.

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We would certainly be here without rape. That is just preposterous. We can reproduce without rape, and in fact that is generally the case in modern civilized society.

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Yeah, we know that we reproduce without rape, but human history clearly shows that rape and pillage happened all the time. What was it like before humans became somewhat civilized?  Most likely non-stop.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartime_sexual_violence

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Great Scott said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Great Scott said:

Pure democracies don't work because all you're left with is a tyranny of the majority.

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And Representative Democracies are better, because the tyranny of a minority is preferable?

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Neither. America's governing principles were designed to protect the rights of the individual.

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Brian Jones said:

Great Scott said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Great Scott said:

Pure democracies don't work because all you're left with is a tyranny of the majority.

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And Representative Democracies are better, because the tyranny of a minority is preferable?

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Neither. America's governing principles were designed to protect the rights of the individual.

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Actually only the individual white males.

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Asante said:

Are you reserving the right to perhaps hook up with a future 15yo?

Its not a good idea to not guard the transition of adolescence into adulthood against selfish adults attempting to impose their will.

15yo's can anally finger each other for all I care, thats nature. What isn't nature in my view is an adult squeezing their selfinterest into that scene. Not necessarily meaning 15/18 but, considerably beyond.

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Brian Jones said:

Great Scott said:

Bigbadwooof said:

Great Scott said:

Pure democracies don't work because all you're left with is a tyranny of the majority.

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And Representative Democracies are better, because the tyranny of a minority is preferable?

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Neither. America's governing principles were designed to protect the rights of the individual.

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Actually only the individual white males.

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lowbrow said:

Brian Jones said:

Great Scott said:

Bigbadwooof said:

And Representative Democracies are better, because the tyranny of a minority is preferable?

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Neither. America's governing principles were designed to protect the rights of the individual.

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Actually only the individual white males.

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Your point?

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lowbrow said:

You mean white guilt and all that other white people bad bullshit?  Something that happened about four hundred years ago that set up a system for one of the world’s most free republics is hardly something I’m going get emotional about when I delve into the semantics.

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Bigbadwooof said:

Great Scott said:

Bigbadwooof said:

And Representative Democracies are better, because the tyranny of a minority is preferable?

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Neither. America's governing principles were designed to protect the rights of the individual.

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Not even. Individual white, male property owners.

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lowbrow said:

I don’t suffer from white guilt.  No tears for me.

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koods said:

The right is so fucking weird. They think children of illegal immigrants should pay for their parents crimes but get incensed if anyone mentions the crimes of their ancestors.

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God damn, that was great!

Great Scott said:

Self-ownership and individual sovereignty are rock solid principles. At the time, what the founders did was revolutionary because the monarch was the sovereign and even white male landowners were subject. So even after the meaning has long since been expanded to include everyone, not just white male landowners, you still have a problem with individual rights as it stands today?

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koods said:

All men are created equal*

*This offer does not apply to women, negros and orientals

Lowbrow, you are aware that when they wrote that they meant Caucasians and the word “men” literally means “men,” not the more broad meaning “humanity”. It should be obvious considering that we were founded as a slave nation that didn’t allow women to vote. This romantic vision of our founding principles is revisionist history.

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