Bigbadwooof said:

Great Scott said:

Like I said... there's degrees of severity.

Contractual servitude is only moral from the perspective that there's a voluntary element to it. If the contract is agreed upon under coercive circumstances, it's hard for me to see what makes it all that fundamentally different from slavery, aside from being a lesser degree of severity.

Is indentured servitude still legal today?

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No, it is not, and for good reason. Slavery is still legal today, if you include prisoners. By that measure, there are more blacks working as slave labor in the US today, than there were in Abe Lincolns day.

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koods said:

Let’s not forget that our military superiority is almost entirely due to the work of immigrants. Mostly Jewish immigrants. Actually Jewish refugees. If we were around in 1941 for the refugee crisis I’m sure we would be talking about the horrors of allowing the plague of Jews into the country. Does anyone really doubt that qman wouldn’t be saying the same thing about Jews he says about Mexicans and
Muslims? We know that’s exactly what people were saying back then. Imagine if they had gotten their way. We certainly would have not invented the atomic bomb first.

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SirTripAlot said:

How about the severity, of such? Clearly, the "slave labour"(the limey spelling) of today, is not identical to the past Jim Crow slave labor(USA spelling). There are serious issues with race still though. Where on the scale?

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In a survey of 1,788 male inmates in Midwestern prisons by Prison Journal, about 21% claimed they had been coerced or pressured into sexual activity during their incarceration, and 7% claimed that they had been raped in their current facility.

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Bigbadwooof said:

qman said:

You're using 2019 standards and that's an unfair comparison. You won't mind someone judging your way of life 300 years from now, will you?

Just stop with the racism and sexism nonsense from the past, you're comparing apples and oranges and it doesn't serve any meaningful purpose today.

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There were many people who felt the way that I feel back then. There are many people who still feel the laws ought to be as they were, today.

There were many countries in the world back then that did not allow slavery.

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qman said:

There's no need for slavery when there's "slave labor" in third world nations.

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The vast majority of women 100 years ago weren't jumping at the opportunity of holding the same responsibilities as a man, it was too dangerous. They didn't even think of the concept of sexism, that's a modern day invention.

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koods said:

Let’s not forget that our military superiority is almost entirely due to the work of immigrants. Mostly Jewish immigrants. Actually Jewish refugees. If we were around in 1941 for the refugee crisis I’m sure we would be talking about the horrors of allowing the plague of Jews into the country. Does anyone really doubt that qman wouldn’t be saying the same thing about Jews he says about Mexicans and
Muslims? We know that’s exactly what people were saying back then. Imagine if they had gotten their way. We certainly would have not invented the atomic bomb first.

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koods said:

The irony of the Second World War is that if it didn’t happen Japan and Germany would likely be the most powerful countries in the world.

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qman said:

koods said:

Let’s not forget that our military superiority is almost entirely due to the work of immigrants. Mostly Jewish immigrants. Actually Jewish refugees. If we were around in 1941 for the refugee crisis I’m sure we would be talking about the horrors of allowing the plague of Jews into the country. Does anyone really doubt that qman wouldn’t be saying the same thing about Jews he says about Mexicans and
Muslims? We know that’s exactly what people were saying back then. Imagine if they had gotten their way. We certainly would have not invented the atomic bomb first.

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https://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/august/german-jewish-inventors-081114.html

Yeah, because 130,000 highly educated Jews from Europe is similar to tens of millions of uneducated broke migrants from third world nations.

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Great Scott said:

That's why I think there should be an emphasis on allowing in more Christian refugees from Islamist-dominated countries, since their persecution at the hands of Muslim Extremists is a human rights crisis. And before you get all huffy and race-baity, I'm referring to 'dark-skinned' Christians (as if that matters)

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koods said:

qman said:

koods said:

Let’s not forget that our military superiority is almost entirely due to the work of immigrants. Mostly Jewish immigrants. Actually Jewish refugees. If we were around in 1941 for the refugee crisis I’m sure we would be talking about the horrors of allowing the plague of Jews into the country. Does anyone really doubt that qman wouldn’t be saying the same thing about Jews he says about Mexicans and
Muslims? We know that’s exactly what people were saying back then. Imagine if they had gotten their way. We certainly would have not invented the atomic bomb first.

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https://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/august/german-jewish-inventors-081114.html

Yeah, because 130,000 highly educated Jews from Europe is similar to tens of millions of uneducated broke migrants from third world nations.

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You still have a problem with Jews, except now it’s because they are highly educated and not broke. Just admit you have a problem with people who aren’t white, Christian and European. You don’t like people who are below your station in life or above.

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qman said:

koods said:

qman said:

koods said:

Let’s not forget that our military superiority is almost entirely due to the work of immigrants. Mostly Jewish immigrants. Actually Jewish refugees. If we were around in 1941 for the refugee crisis I’m sure we would be talking about the horrors of allowing the plague of Jews into the country. Does anyone really doubt that qman wouldn’t be saying the same thing about Jews he says about Mexicans and
Muslims? We know that’s exactly what people were saying back then. Imagine if they had gotten their way. We certainly would have not invented the atomic bomb first.

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https://news.stanford.edu/news/2014/august/german-jewish-inventors-081114.html

Yeah, because 130,000 highly educated Jews from Europe is similar to tens of millions of uneducated broke migrants from third world nations.

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You still have a problem with Jews, except now it’s because they are highly educated and not broke. Just admit you have a problem with people who aren’t white, Christian and European. You don’t like people who are below your station in life or above.

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That's strange, because those Jewish refugees weren't considered white or European?

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Bigbadwooof said:

Great Scott said:

That's why I think there should be an emphasis on allowing in more Christian refugees from Islamist-dominated countries, since their persecution at the hands of Muslim Extremists is a human rights crisis. And before you get all huffy and race-baity, I'm referring to 'dark-skinned' Christians (as if that matters)

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That's an interesting idea, but how do you tell the christians from the muslims? The US isn't allowed to make laws which respect a particular religion over another anyway, so it's a moot point.

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koods said:

I think we have enough christians.

We should give priority to atheists who are escaping Christianity and Islam.

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koods said:

I am for using your metric because that is the metric we have been using when it comes to refugees. You’re just too ignorant to realize it.

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