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Humans Are Replaced?
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Reactions? How will this effect the human condition in society and government?


Machines and objects to overtake humans on the Internet: ITU
Nov 17 7:55 AM US/Eastern
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Machines will take over from humans as the biggest users of the Internet in a brave new world of electronic sensors, smart homes, and tags that track users' movements and habits, the UN's telecommunications agency predicted.

In a report entitled "Internet of Things", the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) outlined the expected next stage in the technological revolution where humans, electronic devices, inanimate objects and databases are linked by a radically transformed Internet.



"It would seem that science fiction is slowly turning into science fact in an 'Internet of Things' based on ubiquitous network connectivity," the report said Thursday, saying objects would take on human characteristics thanks to technological innovation.

"Today, in the 2000s, we are heading into a new era of ubiquity, where the 'users' of the Internet will be counted in billions and where humans may become the minority as generators and receivers of traffic," it added.

Currently there are about 875 million Internet users worldwide, a number that may simply double if humans remain the primary users of the future.

But experts are counting on tens of billions of human and inanimate "users" in future decades.


They would be tied into an all pervasive network where there would be no need to power up a computer to connect -- "anytime, anywhere, by anyone and anything", the report said.

Remote computer-controlled household appliances are already appearing, as well as prototype cars with collision-avoidance sensors.

Mobile phones can be used as electronic train tickets while meat exports from Namibia or goods for US retail chain Wal-Mart are tagged with sensors to allow them to be tracked.

The ITU's vision goes further, highlighting refrigerators that independently communicate with grocery stores, washing machines that communicate with clothing, implanted tags with medical equipment and vehicles with stationary or moving objects.

Industrial products would also become increasingly "smart", gaining autonomy and the intelligence thanks to miniaturised but more powerful computing capacity.

"Even particles and 'dust' might be tagged and networked", the ITU said.


"In this way the virtual world would map the real world, given that everything in our physical environment would have its own identity (a passport of sorts) in virtual cyberpsace," the report forecast.

The trend is being fuelled by a small number of technological developments, including miniature radio frequency RFID electronic tags that allow immediate identification and tracking, and new sensor technology, as well as smart devices and nanotechnology.

While the report laid out economic opportunities, a huge expansion of the IT industry and innovation in a wide range of fields from health to entertainment, it also warned of a number of challenges, including privacy issues.

Some of the applications envisaged for emerging RFID tags are to replace human ID documents, track consumer habits, or banknotes.

The ITU said tighter linkages would be needed between those that create the technology and those that use it to cope with its forecast new world.

"In a world increasingly mediated by technology, we must ensure that the human core of our activities remains untouched," the report concluded.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: SirTripAlot]
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I find this kind of eerie.


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"Whatever you do, you need to keep moving.  Because when you stop moving you die (physically and emotionally).

Good luck and blessings of happiness and fortune." ~ RandalFlagg RIP


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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: rogue_pixie]
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So we have created something, with the ability to take over tasks, that are normally reserved for humans? What will we do?


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: SirTripAlot]
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play/trip/party

but with what money?


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: lonestar2004]
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Exactly.....unless you own the robots...the economy will be really dicked up in my estimation....


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: SirTripAlot]
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the robots will own the robots...


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: lonestar2004]
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Yikes.....


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: SirTripAlot]
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machines push down the value of labor, but are not meant to replace them as it would not serve this economy well and could precipitate pushes for hi-tech TRUE communism and equality. yikes indeed.


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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: kilgore_trout]
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actually..what has happened is that the machines havent replaced humans.. nor have they intrinsically driven down wages...instead they have allowed capitalists to bid down labour markets endlessly...

EDIT ..by that i mean bid down wages in one country against those in another in a race to the bottom...


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"anchor blocks counteract the process of pontiprobation..while omalean globes regulize the pressure"...

Edited by Annapurna1 (11/17/05 11:14 AM)

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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: Annapurna1]
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instead they have allowed capitalists to bid down labour markets endlessly...


Then why are working Americans (inhabitants of the country which retains more tattered remnants of capitalism than any other) wealthier than they have ever been?





Phred


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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: Phred]
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consumer capitalism. they are wealthier but the division between worker and capitalist is larger than ever before. its best for the a capitalist, profit/exploitation, consumerist system. They need it. But shit has been driven down and kept down still, proportionally. This isnt about bare isolated numbers.


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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: Phred]
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Then why are working Americans (inhabitants of the country which retains more tattered remnants of capitalism than any other) wealthier than they have ever been?


b u l l s h i t...once again..you have shown just how obtuse neocons can be...


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"anchor blocks counteract the process of pontiprobation..while omalean globes regulize the pressure"...

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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: kilgore_trout]
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kilgore_trout said:
consumer capitalism. they are wealthier but the division between worker and capitalist is larger than ever before. its best for the a capitalist, profit/exploitation, consumerist system. They need it. But shit has been driven down and kept down still, proportionally. This isnt about bare isolated numbers.


If the poorest person in America was a millionaire (a millionaire in terms of purchasing power today) but the richest ('capitalists') were trillionaries and quadrillionaires (in terms of purchasing power today), would you still be morally outraged about the division or gap?


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-Henry Hazlitt in 'Economics in One Lesson'

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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: Phred]
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Phred said:
Then why are working Americans (inhabitants of the country which retains more tattered remnants of capitalism than any other) wealthier than they have ever been?


Having an average negative savings rate (or owing more than the value of assets), working Americans are not wealthier than they have ever been. Unless of course you consider owing money to others who have first claim to your possesions to be wealth. There are other countries which are arguably more capitalistic than the U.S., though their economies are much smaller.


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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: Annapurna1]
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Annapurna1 writes:

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b u l l s h i t...once again..you have shown just how obtuse neocons can be...


And you have yet again demonstrated your need to read at least one basic economics text before making any more posts on economic matters.

I deliberately used the term "wealth" rather than "wages". The two are not equivalent.

But addressing the question of wages anyway... are there occasional times when the rise in the cost of living outstrips the rise in wages? Especially when the cost of living is bumped by an exceptionally rapid rise in the cost of a critical component of the COL metric in a very short time -- i.e. fuel? Of course there are -- I've lived through many such times.

How much has the cost of oil increased in the last year? WAAAAY more than 2.3%. How often are wages renegotiated? Typically far less often than once a year.

That doesn't change the fact that the median wealth of Americans is higher than it's ever been, which wouldn't be the case if capitalists "bid down labour markets endlessly..."





Phred


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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: Solutarch]
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Having an average negative savings rate (or owing more than the value of assets), working Americans are not wealthier than they have ever been. Unless of course you consider owing money to others who have first claim to your possesions to be wealth.


Source please. I want an impartial source showing the median American family having a negative net worth.

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There are other countries which are arguably more capitalistic than the U.S., though their economies are much smaller.


Please name one with more than say 2 million citizens. Then demonstrate in what manner it could be argued to be more Capitalist than the US.




Phred


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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: Phred]
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Phred said:
Source please. I want an impartial source showing the median American family having a negative net worth.



I think what he is attempting to refer to is the "General Account Balance" that has been in the news in the past several years. Presently, Americans are consuming more than they are producing.

Of course, several years of borrowing does not mean that you have no net worth though.

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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Presently?????? I've heard this shit for 30 years. I suspect it's been relentlessly yammered about for far longer than that.


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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Presently??????


That's what I gathered in news articles about the General Account Deficit. If you compare what Americans produced and what they imported, we are in the negative. We are currently borrowing money and consuming more than we produce.

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Re: Humans Are Replaced? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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You miss my point. This has been screamed about for as long as I can remember. And what of it? Nothing.


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