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Human Test Subjects
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EPA TO ALLOW PESTICIDE TESTING ON ORPHANS & MENTALLY HANDICAPPED CHILDREN

http://www.organicconsumers.org/epa6.cfm

Public comments are now being accepted by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) on its newly proposed federal regulation regarding the testing of chemicals and pesticides on human subjects. On August 2, 2005, Congress had mandated the EPA create a rule that permanently bans chemical testing on pregnant women and children. But the EPA's newly proposed rule, misleadingly titled "Protections for Subjects in Human Research," puts industry profits ahead of children's welfare. The rule allows for government and industry scientists to treat children as human guinea pigs in chemical experiments in the following situations:

Children who "cannot be reasonably consulted," such as those that are mentally handicapped or orphaned newborns may be tested on. With permission from the institution or guardian in charge of the individual, the child may be exposed to chemicals for the sake of research.
Parental consent forms are not necessary for testing on children who have been neglected or abused.
Chemical studies on any children outside of the U.S. are acceptable.
Send a letter to EPA here!

OCA's focal concerns with this proposed rule specifically involve the following portions of text within the EPA document (Read the full EPA proposed rule here: PDF --- HTML):

70 FR 53865 26.408(a) "The IRB (Independent Review Board) shall determine that adequate provisions are made for soliciting the assent of the children, when in the judgment of the IRB the children are capable of providing assent...If the IRB determines that the capability of some or all of the children is so limited that they cannot reasonably be consulted, the assent of the children is not a necessary condition for proceeding with the research. Even where the IRB determines that the subjects are capable of assenting, the IRB may still waive the assent requirement..."

(OCA NOTE: Under this clause, a mentally handicapped child or infant orphan could be tested on without assent. This violates the Nuremberg Code, an international treaty that mandates assent of test subjects is "absolutely essential," and that the test subject must have "legal capacity to give consent" and must be "so situated as to exercise free power of choice." This loophole in the rule must be completely removed.)

70 FR 53865 26.408(c) "If the IRB determines that a research protocol is designed for conditions or for a subject population for which parental or guardian permission is not a reasonable requirement to protect the subjects (for example, neglected or abused children), it may waive the consent requirements..."

(OCA NOTE: Under the general rule, the EPA is saying it's okay to test chemicals on children if their parents or institutional guardians consent to it. This clause says that neglected or abused children have unfit guardians, so no consent would be required to test on those children. This loophole in the rule must be completely removed.)

70 FR 53864 26.401 (a)(2) "To What Do These Regulations Apply? It also includes research conducted or supported by EPA outside the United States, but in appropriate circumstances, the Administrator may, under ? 26.101(e), waive the applicability of some or all of the requirements of these regulations for research..."

(OCA NOTE: This clause is stating that the Administrator of the EPA has the power to completely waive regulations on human testing, if the testing is done outside of the U.S. This will allow chemical companies to do human testing in other countries where these types of laws are less strict. This loophole in the rule must be completely removed.)

70 FR 53857 "EPA proposes an extraordinary procedure applicable if scientifically sound but ethically deficient human research is found to be crucial to EPA?s fulfilling its mission to protect public health. This procedure would also apply if a scientifically sound study covered by proposed ? 26.221 or ? 26.421--i.e., an intentional dosing study involving pregnant women or children as subjects..."


(OCA NOTE: This clause allows the EPA to accept or conduct "ethically deficient" studies of chemical tests on humans if the agency deems it necessary to fulfull its mission. Unfortunately, the EPA report sets up no criteria for making such an exception with any particular study. This ambiguity leaves a gaping loophole in the rule. Without specific and detailed criteria, it could be argued that any and every study of chemical testing on humans is "necessary." This loophole in the rule must be removed, based on this inadequacy of criteria and definition.)

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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: cateyes]
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Perhaps there is a reason other than compassion that some people are against abortion, unwanted babies make convenient test subjects.


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: Solutarch]
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what.the.fuck

This can't be real.


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Good luck and blessings of happiness and fortune." ~ RandalFlagg RIP


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: rogue_pixie]
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yes, it is. theres been shit going on about stuff like this for a while. i think the new head that got appointed was down with human testing, basically on poor people.


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: kilgore_trout]
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This is beyond sick. How the fuck does this kind of shit get passed?


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: kilgore_trout]
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That's fucking outrageous...what can be done?

We need to take action.


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Good luck and blessings of happiness and fortune." ~ RandalFlagg RIP


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: cateyes]
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UNBELIEVABLE.

but not surprising from a leftest organization like the EPA.


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: rogue_pixie]
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the dude appointed by Bush and his predecessor who is now high in health and human services were down, and everyone knew it. It gets passed because shit is the way it is ight now.


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: kilgore_trout]
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what do you mean by "were down"? this law hasn't been passed yet has it?


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"Whatever you do, you need to keep moving.  Because when you stop moving you die (physically and emotionally).

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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: lonestar2004]
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EPA is now on the Left, and marginalized and demonized automatically bc you say "left"? That is so fucking ignorant. I can guess what kind of media has gotten into your head. Who appoints the head of the EPA? Bush? Yes. Confirmed by Republicans despite known issues about human testing, known to Bush? Yes.

That shit was ignorant as all hell, unless it was a satire. Which would be funny as it is apparently believable that media-nurtured US ignorants and what not would actually think in this way.


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: kilgore_trout]
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down as in down with the idea and worked on the shit prior.


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: kilgore_trout]
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kilgore_trout said:
EPA is now on the Left, and marginalized and demonized automatically bc you say "left"? That is so fucking ignorant. I can guess what kind of media has gotten into your head. Who appoints the head of the EPA? Bush? Yes. Confirmed by Republicans despite known issues about human testing, known to Bush? Yes.



Well said. :thumbup:


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"Whatever you do, you need to keep moving.  Because when you stop moving you die (physically and emotionally).

Good luck and blessings of happiness and fortune." ~ RandalFlagg RIP


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: kilgore_trout]
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kilgore_trout said:
down as in down with the idea and worked on the shit prior.



Fuck.

So we have Bush and his cronies to blame for this...

Sorry if I'm stating what I should know or be obvious...but I'm British and not too familiar with the way the US system works.


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: rogue_pixie]
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Granted, it's fucked up the way the article presents the case. But it seems there is a little more going on here.

I think they are referring mainly to "third party" research reports. Which would include reports not supported by the EPA (e.g. studies done in foreign countries).

Also, the article cites several passages (e.g. 70 FR 53865 26.408(a)). Yet when I search the PDF document I cannot find them. Anyone know where this is from?


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: kilgore_trout]
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the EPA supports environmental activists who label puddles wetlands.

just my opinion. you don't have to get all Emotional, and start calling people names because there opinions are different then yours...


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: badchad]
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EPA - About This.

You can get the official document there in PDF.


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: daimyo]
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daimyo said:
EPA - About This.

You can get the official document there in PDF.



Yes, I have that article.

What I meant was that in the article posted (criticizing the practices of the EPA) several "points" are quoted: The ones beginning with: 70 FR 53865 23.408 (at the bottom of the first page). I searched the pdf with those keywords and nothing came up. I wanted to see more of the contextin which they were written. Am I doing something wrong?


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: cateyes]
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Sigh.

I suggest those of you bursting blood vessels in outrage take the time to actually read the article -- specifically:

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Public comments are now being accepted by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) on its newly proposed federal regulation regarding the testing of chemicals and pesticides on human subjects.



You might also want to read this part as well --

Quote:
On August 2, 2005, Congress had mandated the EPA create a rule that permanently bans chemical testing on pregnant women and children.



Finally, note the very first words of the article --

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Public comments are now being accepted....



To summarize, Congress passed legislation banning chemical testing on pregnant women and on children. The EPA feels this is overly restrictive and proposes exceptions to the legislation. The EPA then invites the public to make their views on their proposal known.

No need to panic, just send your views on the proposal to the EPA. If enough people express their opposition, Congress will not enact the EPA's proposed changes.

Why is everyone freaking out over this? Isn't this the way things are supposed to work in a democratic environment?




Phred


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: Phred]
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so its not bushes fault??


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

We have "reckless fiscal policies"

America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

Americans deserve better

Barack Obama

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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: lonestar2004]
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Oh, it's Bush's fault, even so. EVERYTHING is Bush's fault.




Phred


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