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War on Iraq IQ test
    #1362013 - 03/10/03 06:56 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

You's guys debate over this now......(from http://www.thepowerhour.com/postings-four/iraq_iq_test.htm )


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Subject: Take the War-on-Iraq IQ Test

Do you know enough to justify going to war with Iraq?

1. Q: What percentage of the world's population does the U.S.

have?

A: 6%

2. Q: What percentage of the world's wealth does the U.S. have?

A: 50%

3. Q: Which country has the largest oil reserves?

A: Saudi Arabia

4. Q: Which country has the second largest oil reserves?

A: Iraq

5. Q: How much is spent on military budgets a year worldwide?

A: $900+ billion

6. Q: How much of this is spent by the U.S.?

A: 50%

7. Q: What percent of US military spending would ensure the

essentials of life to everyone in the world, according the UN?

A: 10% (that's about$40 billion, the amount of funding initially

requested to fund our retaliatory attack on Afghanistan).

8. Q: How many people have died in wars since World War II?

A: 86 million

9. Q: How long has Iraq had chemical and biological weapons?

A: Since the early 1980's.[exactly as Dec.1984 by Sec.of

Defense-Rumsfeld]

10. Q: Did Iraq develop these chemical & biological weapons on

their own?

A: No, the materials and technology were supplied by the US

government, along with Britain and private corporations.

11. Q: Did the US government condemn the Iraqi use of gas warfare

against Iran?

A: No

12. Q: How many people did Saddam Hussein kill using gas in the

Kurdish town of Halabja in 1988?

A: 5,000

13. Q: How many western countries condemned this action at the

time?

A: 0

14. Q: How many gallons of agent Orange did America use in

Vietnam?

A: 17million.

15. Q: Are there any proven links between Iraq and September 11th

terrorist attack?

A: No

16. Q: What is the estimated number of civilian casualties in the

Gulf War?

A: 35,000

17. Q: How many casualties did the Iraqi military inflict on the

western forces during the Gulf War ?

A: 0

18. Q: How many retreating Iraqi soldiers were buried alive by

U.S. tanks with ploughs mounted on the front?

A: 6,000

19. Q: How many tons of depleted uranium were left in Iraq and

Kuwait after the Gulf War?

A: 40 tons

20. Q: What according to the UN was the increase in cancer rates

in Iraq between 1991 and 1994?

A: 700%

21. Q: How much of Iraq's military capacity did America claim it

had destroyed in 1991?

A: 80%

22. Q: Is there any proof that Iraq plans to use its weapons for

anything other than deterrence and self defense?

A: No

23. Q: Does Iraq present more of a threat to world peace now than

10 years ago?

A: No

24. Q: How many civilian deaths has the Pentagon predicted in the

event of an attack on Iraq in 2002/3?

A: 10,000

25. Q: What percentage of these will be children?

A:Over 50%

26. Q: How many years has the U.S. engaged in air strikes on

Iraq?

A: 11 years

27. Q: Were the U.S and the UK at war with Iraq between December

1998 and September 1999?

A: No

28. Q: How many pounds of explosives were dropped on Iraq between

December 1998 and September 1999?

A: 20 million

29. Q: How many years ago was UN Resolution 661 introduced,

imposing strict sanctions on Iraq's imports and exports?

A: 12 years

30. Q: What was the child death rate in Iraq in 1989(per 1,000

births)?

A: 38

31. Q: What was the estimated child death rate in Iraq in 1999

(per 1,000 births)?

A: 131 (that's an increase of 345%)

32. Q: How many Iraqis are estimated to have died by October 1999

as a result of UN sanctions?

A: 1.5 million

33. Q: How many Iraqi children are estimated to have died due to

sanctions since 1997?

A: 750,000

34. Q: Did Saddam order the inspectors out of Iraq?

A: No

35. Q: How many inspections were there in November and December

1998?

A: 300

36. Q: How many of these inspections had problems?

A: 5

37. Q: Were the weapons inspectors allowed entry to the Ba'ath

Party HQ?

A: Yes

38. Q: Who said that by December 1998, "Iraq had in fact, been

disarmed to a level unprecedented in modern history."

A: Scott Ritter, UNSCOM chief.

39. Q: In 1998 how much of Iraq's post 1991 capacity to develop

weapons of mass destruction did the UN weapons inspectors claim

to have discovered and dismantled?

A: 90%

40. Q: Is Iraq willing to allow the weapons inspectors back in ?

A: Yes

41. Q: How many UN resolutions did Israel violate by 1992?

A: Over 65

42. Q: How many UN resolutions on Israel did America veto between

1972 and 1990?

A: 30+

44. Q: How many countries are known to have nuclear weapons?

A: 8

45. Q: How many nuclear warheads has Iraq got?

A: 0

46. Q: How many nuclear warheads has US got?

A: Over 10,000

47. Q: Which is the only country to use nuclear weapons?

A: The US

48. Q: How many nuclear warheads does Israel have?

A: Over 400

50. Q: Who said, "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent

about things that matter"?

A: Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr

Charles Sheketoff, Executive Director Oregon Center for Public

Policy PO Box 7, Silverton, OR 97381

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The United States Government will spend more on the

military in fiscal year 2003, than all the rest of the

countries on Earth combined. Current expenditures are

437 billion and our past obligations are 339 billion,

this equals 776 billion. 46% of our Taxes go to the

Military Industrial Complex:

http://www.warresisters.org/piechart.htm






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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Learyfan]
    #1362049 - 03/10/03 07:13 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

my neck hurts from the slant of your post.


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1362064 - 03/10/03 07:21 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

What part did you find slanted?...The facts?


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Rono]
    #1362092 - 03/10/03 07:36 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

actually the yes/no answers without explanation. If you accept this as fact then feel free to think that way....to take a page from the libbies "there's no proof".


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1362103 - 03/10/03 07:42 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Fair enough...What about the rest of the questions that don't have Yes or No answers?


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Rono]
    #1362121 - 03/10/03 07:49 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

i'd say a majority of those answers are correct, however there are others that can be debated and others that mean absolutly nothing.


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1362302 - 03/10/03 08:45 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I know all of these questions aren't answered as easily as "yes" and "no".

That's why I wanna see you guys debate for my entertainment.

:grin:

 


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Learyfan]
    #1362319 - 03/10/03 08:50 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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I know all of these questions aren't answered as easily as "yes" and "no". 



Who said they were?

and why would i want to debate wether or not those on this site like the US?  a majority on here are Anti-US and Anti Bush, what would be the point?

What kills them is that i couldn't care less. :smirk:


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1362402 - 03/10/03 09:23 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Anti US?...Not at all
Anti-Bush? Absolutely. I find that even our usual Pro-Bush people are starting to despise him.

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What kills them is that i couldn't care less.


The fact that you even post in this forum says otherwise...



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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Rono]
    #1362456 - 03/10/03 09:43 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Anti US?...Not at all



That is highly debateable..

Quote:

Anti-Bush? Absolutely.



that's my point, many here go against him, you included, ONLY because you don't like him. Logic is totally deflated from your (not you personally) argument when it is apparant that it is personal.

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I find that even our usual Pro-Bush people are starting to despise him.



oh, absolutly. I'm more mad about our domestic agenda than anything else. He's making the same mistake his dad did by concentrating on the foreign policy too much. The 900 billion (or whatever the price is) for the war can go to help those hard workers in the US by cutting taxes and eliminating needless social programs.

Quote:

The fact that you even post in this forum says otherwise...



you may be right. I guess i do care a little because i find a lot of views to be out-right lies. The "what he said" crowd is great at this. I will say that the US should not make policy primarily by what protests in other countries say.

BTW: this is off topic but here goes. What country do we (the US) get the most oil from?
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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1362759 - 03/10/03 11:39 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure Canada is the #1 importer of oil to the U.S....followed by Saudi Arabia, Mexico and Venezuela.


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Learyfan]
    #1363121 - 03/10/03 02:15 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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7. Q: What percent of US military spending would ensure the

essentials of life to everyone in the world, according the UN?

A: 10% (that's about$40 billion, the amount of funding initially

requested to fund our retaliatory attack on Afghanistan).





:ooo:  Wow!

For how long? A day? 
Week?
.............6 months?



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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Learyfan]
    #1363284 - 03/10/03 03:24 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Apparently we did not leave enough depleted Uranium, because Saadam is still alive.

The USA is going to War with IRAQ. The question is would you rather live in America or in Iraq. It is a simple question to answer. Because in reality that is what you are choosing. Do you support Democracy with constitutional protections or do you support Dictatorships. Do you support an Iraq that gets to choose it's own future, or do you support an Iraq that does not.

You can dig up all sorts of Bad behavior by the USA. You can do the same for every country that actively engages in world politics. None of which answers the question asked. Do you feel more comfortable dealing with the USA, or with IRAQ. Would you rather buy US goods, or Iraqi goods. Would you rather sell in America or in Iraq?





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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: ]
    #1363382 - 03/10/03 03:55 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

That is not a fair analysis at all...How does not supporting a pointless war make me support a Dictatorship? Ask yourself this...would you rather live under a dictator or be killed for something your dictator may or may not have done?


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: ]
    #1363386 - 03/10/03 03:55 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

The question is would you rather live in America or in Iraq. It is a simple question to answer

That is not the question at all. That's not what this war is about.


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: ]
    #1364157 - 03/10/03 09:53 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, what they said...

I don't understand your logic at all. It makes no sense. What are you saying, America is a better government/ better place to live, all around better country than Iraq; and therefore it is our right- no, moral imperative; to go bomb the fuck out of them without provocation? Wow, talk about a non sequitir...


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Learyfan]
    #1364243 - 03/10/03 11:14 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I completely disagree with the infered link between depleted uranium and cancer. I've personally handled DU artillery shells and so have thousands of US soldiers and there's no change in cancer rates. There's been enough research done to know conclusivly that it's not very toxic at all. DU actually has about the same toxicity as ordinary lead.


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1364260 - 03/10/03 11:24 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

The difference is the Iraqis weren't handling intact DU shells - that is perfectly safe.

Since you've handled them, you would know what happens when a DU shell hits a hard surface (like armor, concrete bunker etc) at 5000 ft./sec.

And you would also know that the harm done by exposure to radiation is CUMULATIVE.

Would you want to sit in a sandbox filled with DU dust for 12 years?



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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Ellis Dee]
    #1364294 - 03/11/03 12:09 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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I completely disagree with the infered link between depleted uranium and cancer.




Amazing.



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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Rono]
    #1364319 - 03/11/03 12:48 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Canada is the #1 importer



correct...kinda blows the "it's all about oil" argument eh?


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1364524 - 03/11/03 04:01 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

not really.



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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1364530 - 03/11/03 04:05 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Ofcourse not in YOUR mind or whatever you call it....


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1364537 - 03/11/03 04:11 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Your logic is backwords my friend.

Why would we need to attack countries that we already import oil form?
We are attacking Iraq precicely because they are NOT our #1 oil importer - but they soon will be.

And the import volume doesn't motivate conquest. What motivates it is the oil reserves that exist in Iraq, which I believe is the second largest in the world after Saudi Arabia (correct me if I'm wrong).



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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1364552 - 03/11/03 04:18 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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Why would we need to attack countries that we already import oil form?



we imported oil from Iraq as well...

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We are attacking Iraq precicely because they are NOT our #1 oil importer - but they soon will be.



did you here that on the BBC?

so you're guessing huh?


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Learyfan]
    #1364562 - 03/11/03 04:23 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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18. Q: How many retreating Iraqi soldiers were buried alive by

U.S. tanks with ploughs mounted on the front?

A: 6,000




True or untrue?

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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1364567 - 03/11/03 04:26 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

"we imported oil from Iraq as well..."

why import when you can steal?

"did you here that on the BBC?

so you're guessing huh?"

You misunderstand. The statement "We are attacking Iraq precisely because they are NOT our #1 oil importer" was meant to indicate that we would not attack a country that we import a lot of oil from, not to give a specific reason for attacking.

I believe it's a combination of factors, including oil.


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Learyfan]
    #1364578 - 03/11/03 04:29 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

18. Q: How many retreating Iraqi soldiers were buried alive by

U.S. tanks with ploughs mounted on the front?

A: 6,000


I don't know about the ploughs ... seems kind of implausible.

But we DID bomb retreating peasent soldiers in the infamous "Highway of Death".
I'm surprised that they didn't mention the bombing of the bomb shelter(!).


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1364583 - 03/11/03 04:31 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I know. I don't see how they could plow 6,000 live people into a hole. Did they just stand there, or what?



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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Learyfan]
    #1364597 - 03/11/03 04:35 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Maybe they were buried in the trenches when the tanks passed over them. It could be based on fact but 6,000 seems a little high.



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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1364632 - 03/11/03 04:50 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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kinda blows the "it's all about oil" argument eh?


Please explain how that blows my argument apart? The amount Canada sells it to the U.S. for is considerably more than what the U.S. could get it for from Iraq once they are in control...if anything that just strengthens my case.


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1364687 - 03/11/03 05:09 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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why import when you can steal?



i thought you were coming from facts, but i see that you are assuming. I can accept that.

Quote:

I believe it's a combination of factors, including oil.



i can't say that i believe that only because the evidence that shows it's for oil is very argumentative, hear-say, and subjective.

I am however, not naive to think that it isn't involved somehow.


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    #1366155 - 03/11/03 02:02 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Please define pointlessness.

Yes I would rather die then live under Saadam. This apparently is the difference between me and you.



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    #1366192 - 03/11/03 02:15 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I didn't realize we were in danger of invasion by Iraq... :smirk: 


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    #1366196 - 03/11/03 02:17 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Explain to me what you think this war is about. Convince me that it has nothing to do with Self determination of the Iraqi people, and their Economic and physical security. Their ability to choose what their lives will become.

The only argument I have heard is that you don't want to kill Innocent Iraqis in the process of Freeing them. No-one supporting war wan'ts to kill innocent Iraqis either. We want Saadam and his Regime. We want him to actually comply with the agreements to disarm. We want him to do this or we will do it for him. He had twelve years to comply. Diplomacy had twelve years to work. Diplomacy only works when all sides are actually doing what they said they will do. The world lived up to it's agreement not to Remove Saadam, he did not live up to the Disarming side of this agreement.

You may be content to turn a blind eye, lift the sanctions, and let him continue to do WHATEVER HE WANTS, at the expense of HIS people. I am not. My president is not, and the majority of Americans are not. America is not alone.


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Learyfan]
    #1366209 - 03/11/03 02:21 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

How about....


What Caused WWII?

Appeasement

How many Lives could have been saved, if hitler was forced to comply to the Treaty of Versallies (spelling?) and stopped before Germany even had a Military?

Millions.

Would allowing Iraq to violate treaties it signed, as well as violate U.N. resolution after resolution be Appeasement?

Yes.

Is the Economic situation simular in Iraq as it was in Germany after WWI?

Yes, both are very bad economicly

Are Hitler and Saddam simular?

Yes, they are both Totalitarian Dictators.


I feel bad for the civilians that will be lost in the potential war, but giving a Dictator like Saddam the freedom to break treatys could potentially cause ALOT more harm.


EDIT: oh and

Could the U.S. taken all the oil it wanted after the Golf war?

Yes

Did it?

No


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Xibalba]
    #1366223 - 03/11/03 02:25 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Without provactaion. Twelve years of Non-Appliance with International WILL. Not just the USA, but every nation that supported the Removal of Iraq from Kuwait.

Good luck.



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    #1366252 - 03/11/03 02:38 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

That was a very nice blindly patriotic speech but Good Lord..there is so many mistakes in your logic I don't know where to start...Iraq has been bending backwards trying to disarm...yet still Bush pushes for war...Why is the U.S. so concerned with Iraq, when it's own neighbours aren't? Do you sincerely believe that the U.S. is going into Iraq for humanitarian reasons? If you do, then I can't fault you for your beliefs, no matter how naive I think they are.

As for making a better life for it's citizens...The UN sanctions are what made Iraq poor and destitute inthe first place. 12 years ago Iraq was a thriving country and a close 'friend' of the U.S.

You are right about one thing...the U.S. is not alone, but the majority of the world is not blind, and can see the injustice of a pre-emptive strike against Iraq


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Sombie]
    #1366258 - 03/11/03 02:40 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Could the U.S. taken all the oil it wanted after the Golf war?



Did they actually take control of Iraq in the Gulf war?...No, so obviously they can't take oil from a country that they did not control.


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: Learyfan]
    #1369565 - 03/12/03 03:30 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

I am going to use this on the upcoming vigil on sunday.....

thanks for compiling that.... :laugh:


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    #1373751 - 03/13/03 07:59 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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I completely disagree with the infered link between depleted uranium and cancer. I've personally handled DU artillery shells and so have thousands of US soldiers and there's no change in cancer rates. There's been enough research done to know conclusivly that it's not very toxic at all. DU actually has about the same toxicity as ordinary lead.


I think its quite obvious Saddam cancered his own people.


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Re: War on Iraq IQ test [Re: upupup]
    #1374233 - 03/14/03 12:49 AM (18 years, 10 months ago)

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I am going to use this on the upcoming vigil on sunday



you're going to a vigil?..ha...sorry i couldn't help it..ha


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    #1378888 - 03/15/03 07:19 PM (18 years, 10 months ago)

ok, yeah your logic has gone out the window. how much white house spin have you swallowed? sounds like all of it. you actually believe this war is about helping the iraqi people? that's a laugh, we've done more damage to their people, society, and culture than Saddam could ever do. of course we want the oil.


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