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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: rogue_pixie]
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rogue_pixie said:
Orphaned and disabled children are bums???


They certainly aren't working to make their way.

rogue_pixie said:
Are you deliberately trying to wind me up?


Yes.

rogue_pixie said:
What's wrong with using the pesticides that we have now? Aren't most pesticides cancerous anyway?


We would never know in your vision of how things should work.

rogue_pixie said:
there are probably more starving people on Earth now than there ever has been in the past.


There are more people on Earth now than ever before.

rogue_pixie said:
I'll tell you why millions of innocent people are starving to death right now.


:popcorn:

rogue_pixie said:
Because of consumerism and materialism.


How is people buying stuff starving others?

rogue_pixie said:
Because we rape the land of third world countries and we steal their resources


Example?

rogue_pixie said:
for these fucking stupid products that we don't need, and then they advertise them everywhere and make people believe that these things will somehow make them feel better and enrich our lives. It's bullshit. We don't need them.


:thumbup:

rogue_pixie said:
I can't believe it , the kind of people that our society is breeding today.


Fucked up isn't it?


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: daimyo]
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I had a friend who used to smoke a lot of pot and drink a lot of beer. After doing that for a couple years he became so paranoid that he would always rant about how the whole system was going to come crashing down. He wanted to buy a machine gun so he would be ready for Armaggedon. He would rant constantly about chemicals in the environment. Love Canal was a favorite. He also mentioned something about riboflavin and niacin (both are vitamins) being in his cereal and possible benzene residue in his cocaine. When I tried to point out the fact that he would rant about chemicals while ingesting a lot of chemicals that got him high he couldn't relate to that. After he quit getting high he remembered what I said about ranting about chemicals while ingesting them at the same time, and finally realized how ridiculous his rants were.


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: rogue_pixie]
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rogue_pixie said:
Because the fact of the matter is something like this should not even have to be CONSIDERED or PROPOSED. It's sickening.

If there isn't enough opposition, which let's face there needs to be enough AWARENESS about the issue before anyone can openly oppose such vile practises then there's a chance of it being passed. And it worries me. A hell of a lot.


That's exactly why we need to erradicate Islam and communism including waging aggressive war against them.


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: Los_Pepes]
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Los_Pepes said:
rogue_pixie said:
Because the fact of the matter is something like this should not even have to be CONSIDERED or PROPOSED. It's sickening.

If there isn't enough opposition, which let's face there needs to be enough AWARENESS about the issue before anyone can openly oppose such vile practises then there's a chance of it being passed. And it worries me. A hell of a lot.


That's exactly why we need to erradicate Islam and communism including waging aggressive war against them.




what the fuck are you talking about? i like to assume youre just doing really good satire of VERY ignorant people.


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: Los_Pepes]
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Love Canal actually was a fucking disgrace and a crime. I was in Buffalo at the time and what Hooker Chem. did there was very, very bad.


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: zappaisgod]
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Does anyone here experiment with psychoactive chemicals?


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: rogue_pixie]
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We should stop inventing chemical products if it is causing the suffering of innocent children ABSOLUTELY. It shouldn't even be questionable. Until we find a safer way, whatever way that may be definitely without a doubt please fucking stop. We do not NEED these things, they are not ESSENTIAL to anything no matter how much the media might try to brainwash you into thinking otherwise, we have managed to survive all these thousands of years and will continue to, well we probably have more chance of continuing to survive if we stop exploiting the Earth and making all of these needless fucking products. Arghh sorry if I sound mad but god damn it, there is just no rational excuse for this.


I see.

What is your position on continuing to use chemical products invented before August of this year, or products invented in countries other than the US -- products which have been certified by various regulatory agencies to be safe for use around children and pregnant women? Are we to stop using those out of solidarity for the harmless children exploited in the testing of these products?





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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: Los_Pepes]
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no, we dont experiment, we're way past that. taking mushrooms is different from drinking mercury, anyways, so dont even try it.


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: Phred]
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Phred said:
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Huh.......what? Are you actually defending this obscene proposition?


Sigh.

Why don't you read what I wrote a few more times until it sinks in.

The simple fact of the matter is that without human testing no new chemical products would ever be approved by the EPA. Ever. Fortunately, at the moment human testing is allowed, but if the pool of human subjects excludes children and pregnant women, it necessarily follows that no new products will ever be approved for use in locations where pregnant women and/or children might come into contact with said products.

I understand that some Luddites would be delighted if no new chemical products would ever be approved -- that we as a species make do with what we have now. The thing is, not all humans are of the Luddite persuasion. They would like the benefits of new products but would also like the benefit of knowing in advance that some of these new products should not be used near children and pregnant women.

If you find the stance of the non-Luddites to be "obscene", I can't stop you from feeling that way. It takes all kinds to make a world.





Phred


With the earth's population constantly increasing at a dangerous rate we can't afford NOT to keep up with the insects and other pests that develop immunities to pesticides in use, or else we will all starve.


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: Los_Pepes]
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chemical pesticides are only good for corporations that produce them. Far and away the best you can use are organic, usually made for one's self specific to your situation. Its not hard and i have never been unable to stop pests this way, without chems, and you dont have the same resistance problems as long as you keep vegetation diversified.


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: kilgore_trout]
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thats just what i know from working in plant and soil sciences at one of the world's top and most respected universities for the field.


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: kilgore_trout]
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Most pesticides are organic chemicals.


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: kilgore_trout]
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Got a cost/benefit analysis to go with that? You could convince me. I just I have to see that it's practical. Planting marigolds around my tomato patch doesn't much translate to large scale farming.


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Re: Human Test Subjects [Re: rogue_pixie]
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rogue_pixie said:
We should stop inventing chemical products if it is causing the suffering of innocent children ABSOLUTELY. It shouldn't even be questionable. Until we find a safer way, whatever way that may be definitely without a doubt please fucking stop. We do not NEED these things, they are not ESSENTIAL to anything no matter how much the media might try to brainwash you into thinking otherwise, we have managed to survive all these thousands of years and will continue to, well we probably have more chance of continuing to survive if we stop exploiting the Earth and making all of these needless fucking products. Arghh sorry if I sound mad but god damn it, there is just no rational excuse for this.


We, as a species, created the need to create all of these new products, simply by being so successful at surviving. By breeding beyond our natural population limits, we create new needs that we must address. If you want to live without new chemical products, you have to accept the idea that some people are not going to make it. Some most certainly will suffer anyways, because of the lack of new chemical products. Over crowding results in pestilence that we must deter in order to combat disease. We do this by using pesticides.


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