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Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality * 1
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Anyone else agree? If you have an open mind and want to learn..then shrooms will teach and heal you .. Close minded peoplewill have a bad trip because the things they see and experience are very real.anyone else agree ?

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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Murkabm]
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To a certain degree

But to me every one is close minded, It's from constructing an image of who you are and how you see the world.
It's your ego and every one has one

The most powerful trips I have had in my life have been the bad trips, I have learned the most from them and they have deeply changed me for the better.

You can be open minded and are less likely to have a bad trip but that mind set can bite you in the ass

Would Mt Everest be so powerful at the top if you caught a gondola and walked the last 100 meters compared to months of training pushing your body to the upmost limit and conquering the summit?

Mushrooms are a real life drug they can show you utter bliss and your worst nightmare in one trip

Don't get your ego convince you that if you are open minded you wont go to the darkside.
They will teach you yinyang  :chilldog:

By the sounds of it you have just dipped your toes in, heavy doses are a whole different game.
You have much to learn as do I.

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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Murkabm] * 1
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One thing Ive realized is we are all on our own trip.  It's true.

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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Murkabm]
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With proper preparation, test kit, research, and the like, its nearly impossible to have an outside influenced bad trip, once you are sure you have eliminated those non inside influences, you can rest assure the medicine is working. my recommendation is for everyone to know your mind, body, and substance before any journey. Let it heal yourself.


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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Murkabm] * 3
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Murkabm said:
Anyone else agree? If you have an open mind and want to learn..then shrooms will teach and heal you .. Close minded peoplewill have a bad trip because the things they see and experience are very real.anyone else agree ?


Now you're just fooling yourself.  If you obsess about this you're setting yourself up for some painful experiences down the road.  :shrug:


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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Murkabm] * 1
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Murkabm said:
Anyone else agree? If you have an open mind and want to learn..then shrooms will teach and heal you .. Close minded peoplewill have a bad trip because the things they see and experience are very real.anyone else agree ?


It depends. I've seen a few different "true realities" while tripping.

My first bad trip was caused by racing thought loops that were so fast I could neither accept nor deny them. The fact that the TV show I was watching was playing as if on 4x fast forward, but the clock was not moving, didn't help matters. I think in that case I was just overwhelmed by stimulation, and really just wanted it to be done as it was exhausting.

I have had trips bad where I felt like I was learning a "truth", and it was one I didn't like. This caused a tornado of negative thought loops and immense feelings of eternal loneliness, which to me is the worst possible feeling. I don't know if that was anything I had a choice of whether or not to accept, it was as if the mushrooms had taken over my brain, and were going to drill the thought into my head until I fully understood.

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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: feevers]
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I feel like bad trips are caused more by situational things to be honest, and inappropriate timing moreless. I feel like psychedelics are almost a wildcard; that dude at the bar everyday whos just getting into fights and screaming like an idiot may just become some hippie buddhist monk dude after eating some shrooms/lsd/dmt/mesc. and other way around where a super spiritual, self-proclaimed hippie treehugging dude may take a psyche and feel the exact opposite (negative) effect due to whatever is going on in their life. maybe one is more or less likely to happen but who knows? what is open mindedness? the ability to accept new ideas?


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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: moonzo]
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as with babies,
intestinal gas can cause a lot of grief.


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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: redgreenvines]
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I trip with my girlfriend strictly now.

I used to trip alone for years.

We have such a great time from beginning to end that the thought of a bad trip is a joke to us.

I am also a very good teacher when it comes to tripping with someone new such as my girlfriend. It was pure magic <3

Just stay positive and don't dose to high.

2grams for us is perfect. Not to intense but just the right amount of craziness.

Good luck


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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Murkabm]
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Murkabm said:
Anyone else agree? If you have an open mind and want to learn..then shrooms will teach and heal you .. Close minded people will have a bad trip because the things they see and experience are very real.anyone else agree ?


No that's not the only reason for a bad trip ime. I once had a really bad trip because I was talking too much for my friend (who was also tripping) to be able to handle it so he became non-responsive. I then began to think he was a figment of my mind and did not exist, and that thought took me to a path of never ending insanity that somehow led me to smash my phone. I'm just happy I did not try to harm myself on that trip.

I would advise you not to generalize too much when it comes to bad trips because even the most experienced psychedelic users have them sometimes.

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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Murkabm] * 3
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Murkabm said:
Anyone else agree? If you have an open mind and want to learn..then shrooms will teach and heal you .. Close minded peoplewill have a bad trip because the things they see and experience are very real.anyone else agree ?




I don't agree, at all.....

...I feel that's a rather naive & simple minded way of looking at the root cause of "bad trips". A "bad trip" can be catalyzed by such a broad spectrum of things.




How many "bad trips" have you had?...and why were they "bad" ? Where did you come up with this line of reasoning that bad trips only come from people being "closed minded" or "not accepting reality" ?





After over a decade of working with psychedelics and somewhere around 200+ trips...I've only had one single trip that I'd label as a "bad trip" or on the verge of a "freak out" (it didn't occur until after 9 years of working with psychedelics and well over 100 trips), and it had absolutely nothing to do with me being "closed minded" or "not wanting to accept true reality" :rolleyes: ....The few times I've had to play trip sitter over the years with friends or random people, their "bad trips" also had absolutely nothing to with being closed minded or "not accepting true reality" .





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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: openmind]
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Well said openmind! Also, ironic user name for this post. :lol:

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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Spiny Cucumber]
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What is classified as a bad trip anyway? like a sad not fun trip?

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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Murkabm]
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:thumbup: agree


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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Atlantis Reaction] * 3
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Atlantis Reaction said:
What is classified as a bad trip anyway? like a sad not fun trip?


No.  More like complete unending existential dread, often with no specific cause discernible.  Possibly it's a basic prototypical mammalian condition amplified by the drugs.  Typified by feeling there's no hope of release, so basically infinite regression into total blackness.  Not much fun if it happens, and it will happen if you trip enough.  But you can learn from it just like from any other trip, and of course it does pass eventually.

IME negative trips show up about the time you start feeling you've got all this tripping stuff figured out.  :laugh2:


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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Atlantis Reaction]
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Listen to the song below.


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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: PrimalSoup]
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well I've had unpleasant trips on salvia but never on mushrooms or acid. been doing it for 15 years about.
Ive seen one major bad trip where my friend i assume passed out, woke and zombie ninja warrior-ed, fucked up his parents house, and had to spend the night in the hospital. He wasn't scared or anything... just went crazy a bit.

I have never had that kind of trip on shrooms or acid, I stay pretty lucid and aware and dont tend to freak out about stuff while im on it.

I dont get this break through, enities or ego death stuff.

hmm maybe one day ill understand what a bad trip is

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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: ChRnZN]
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Yes we are all on our own trip, moment to moment. Seeing outside culture shows you the world is a trip and/or multidimensional wilderness. At any moment, everything - EVERYTHING - is defined by your state of being/mind.

There may not be a 'world', only something that kind of hovers around in mindspace appearing as this, appearing as that.


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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: beforethedawn]
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Bad trips I've had never had to do anything to do with me being close minded.

When I was younger one bad trip was caused by me coming home when I still lived with my parents, and trying to function normally in front of them.

I've had bad trips from watching movies that were rather scary, and put me in a bad state of mind.

I've had bad trips from things becoming overstimulating, and just not being able to comprehend what was going on.

Never because of being close minded about something though.

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Re: Bad trips are caused by people not being able to accept true reality [Re: Xerbia]
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About 8 years ago I had a trip where I took like 5 tabs of acid and these kids who I had ripped off on a drug deal invited themselves into my house when they weren't invited over about 25 minutes into my trip and continued to fuck with me for 8 hours straight till I could drink enough liquor on the comedown to muster enough liquid courage up to yell at them to get the F out. 

That was a bad trip.  And you know what, it took a while to forgive them for that and I still don't think I do but I've forgiven what happened with myself.

Then I had a trip with 5 grams of shrooms, alcohol, and caffeine on the come-down that really fucked with my brain chemistry.  I wasn't respecting the shroom or any drugs at the time and it was teaching me a lesson.  I couldn't do anything but drink alcohol for a year and a half after that because I had non-stop panic attacks.  Then I started this medication called Naltrexone and since I have been healed.  Now I just smoke herb lol and live a good less crazy life. 

I couldn't accept sober reality and I was using drugs as an escape so maybe I wasn't able to accept true reality?  Maybe you are right OP.  Or maybe I was just very careless.  Or both...

I also had a trip where I took a walk in the woods and at the end there were a million people and I freaked out a little when I saw them.

And I've had bad trips sitting alone in my room and from taking too much and getting in a weird headspace, maybe it was the brown acid...

But in the end with tripping comes bad trips.  So learn to accept the bad trips and they won't be as bad.

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