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OfflineNatas
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How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ?
    #1068333 - 11/20/02 02:00 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

Hey does anyone know good way's to come down from a bad trip ?? (ie.) Other drugs ? Activities ? Or just things in general that would calm you down, and put you in a different/positive frame of mind ?

Your input is appreciated...
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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: Natas]
    #1068394 - 11/20/02 02:32 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

I'm told that thorazine will abort many trips, but that's a hospital type thing. For casual psychonauts, I suggest

Laying off the scary music
Giving them some sensory input to distract them, maybe a movie
Put them in the bathroom (patterened tiles are non-trippy)

Telling them that the effects of the drug are only temporary
telling them they are in a safe place
telling them that they are loved.


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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: Fcuerkt]
    #1068400 - 11/20/02 02:35 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

>>Patterned tiles are non trippy

I agree with your other suggestions mostly (not thorazine I hear it's like a mental straight jacket)... Some anti-anxiety like Benozs (valium or xanax or rophynol or something) or some opiates might help reduce anxiety/increase happiness...

Those are the best in my experience.

Ice on the nuts or a cold shower may shock them out of it too but is not the most pleasant..
Take my word for it.


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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: Fcuerkt]
    #1068402 - 11/20/02 02:35 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

Can you ever imagine never coming down from a mushroom trip ?
Is this possible ?


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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: Natas]
    #1068541 - 11/20/02 03:49 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

nothings impossible, but this isnt likely.
The effects of psychedelics are very similar to that of schizophrenia, but most schizo hallucinations and mind trips are negative. So i guess if you had latent schizophrenia and the mushrooms triggred somthing you could stay on the trip FOREVER! muhuahahaha!


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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #1068569 - 11/20/02 04:03 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

Hmmm, I have heard that psychedelics cure schizophrenia. Also what if you have border line schizophrenia ? I do not have any of these but I am curious to know.


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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: Natas]
    #1068573 - 11/20/02 04:04 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

I've found the best way to stop a bad trip is to stop trying to stop the bad trip.

By trying to stop the trip, your'e automatically thinking about it more and more, verifying "is it still there?" and even if its gone, the fact that you're thinking "is it still there?" will lead you back to it.... its a train of thought something like this:

If a "newcomer" is to take shrooms or acid or something, and suddenly think the cops are comming, or thier parents just walked in, or the all-time classic among people I know and I: "Are my friends not enjoying themselves?" and "Oh NO I'm I going to be stuck like this FOREVER?! I've REALLY done it this time! They were right! I'm gunna be screwed for life!! I have to WORK in 2 days..." I belive it is mainly attributed to the idea spread around by the war on drugs that "drugs are bad." People take these drugs and feel SOOOOOOOOO fantastic, TOO fantastic, so they start searching thier mind for something that CAN go wrong and ruin the whole thing. Its almost self-punishment for doing such "naughty" things ;-)

By doing so, they "flip/freak out" and as can happen on drugs, thier dreams become a reality for a hopefully short period of time. SO much thinking goes on during these moments it is utterly fascinating.

It can get carried exponentially further when the person realizes they're freaking out, but doesn't get up and do anything to settle down. I've tripped out with internal dialogs somewhat resembling:

Holy @!#$ this is so awesome!
I hope nothing lame happens to ruin my good time.
Oh no did "something" just happen?
Oh no "something" just happened!
God dammit "something" just happened and i'm all disabled on drugs
Nothing just happened, why did I think something happened? Everything's cool.
Everything's REALLY cool!
Holy @!#$ this is SO AWESOME!
Holy @!#$ this is TOO AWESOME!! Is something wrong? Did "something" happen?
No nothing happened, what's wrong with me? Oh no I'm going crazy! Good GOD I've really screwed myself THIS time!

Usually in these cases the person doesn't want to move. Get some water, eat a piece of bread, sit up straight, and try to relax. Observe your peaceful surroundings. Offer a bong-hit to a friend if you're tripping with somebody (although smoking one might intensify whatever's going on, so just give one to somebody else to prove to yourself that you're still capable of human interaction and connection) :smile:

The trick is to understand that the outside world is still operating normally, just like it did yesterday, and JUST LIKE IT WILL BE DOING TOMORROW, with YOU along WITH it. Then realize that you're wasting your trip thinking about your trip being wasted and get back into the flow!

-=- Matt/Strumpling -=-
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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: Cow Shit Collector]
    #1068574 - 11/20/02 04:04 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

In reply to:

The effects of psychedelics are very similar to that of schizophrenia





There are different types of schizophrenia. Serotonergic psychedelic trips are actually very different than most types of psychosis. Back in the 50's and 60's they were researched as agents that would cause a "model psychosis".This was later abandoned because they actually only had a few similarities to schizophrenia.Most people that are fully psychotic usually have complex audio hullucinations more often than visual ones.
Not that psychedelics have absolutely nothing in common with certain forms of schizophrenia,but to say they make people "crazy" is probably too generalized a statement.
People with hardcore mental disorders should probably avoid psychedelic drugs though.


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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: monoamine]
    #1068848 - 11/20/02 06:20 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

If you want to trip for ever jut go to the doctors and complain about depression, try and get some long lasting MAOI. Some of these can take upto a month to start working and about 6-7 week to stop working. Then simply eat up the shrooms and never come down for a long time.  :grin:


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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: Natas]
    #1068918 - 11/20/02 07:28 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

googlesearch:
niacinamide
abram hoffer
megavitamin therapy
orthomolecular psychiatry
book vitamin b3 & schizophrenia
hoffer-osmund diagnostic
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this has been discussed many times here; try & UTFSE :wink: ...
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it may not work for everyone, but i suspect that there is something more than placebo effect going on with niacinamide & your brain on drugs...
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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: gnrm23]
    #1068977 - 11/20/02 08:26 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

& yeah, music --- maybe switch rom mushroomhead or icp to mozart or mussorgsky :wink: ...
and a nice cup of cocoa or chamomile tea can do wonders...
even standing on the earth in bare feet can "ground" ya :wink: ...
a couple valium can take the edge off...
check on the 'net for something like "the good trip guide" & info on handling rough trips at places like lycaeum & erowid...
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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: Natas]
    #1069038 - 11/20/02 09:22 AM (14 years, 21 days ago)

Get a drink of water. Take a piss. Go outside to take a breather (if you're tripping indoors). Change of scenery/music. Focus on breathing, try and relax your body and hopefully your mind will follow. Small things seem to help.


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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: Sheepish]
    #1069357 - 11/20/02 12:25 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

"Put them in the bathroom (patterened tiles are non-trippy)"

In my personal experience I have to say that bathrooms are the craziest while tripping! There is always some type of crazy wall paper or something there to entertain you. I also always begin to feel the first effects of my trip coming on while I am in the bathroom....


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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: Natas]
    #1069498 - 11/20/02 01:13 PM (14 years, 21 days ago)

i keep a bottle of xanax handy for emergencies,3-4mg. will abort a high dose trip
this is true for other benzo`s.i have tested it
i never abort a trip just because it`s bad. only if there`s an emergency that i would have to take care of, like a fire in my house or one of my kid`s nead medical attention,ext.
bad trips can be the most important kind they can be horrible but you might be working out some important stuff. aborting in the middle of this leaves this unresolved and can make you depressed after word for a long time.
try some positive music and try to stop thinking. bad trips are useally your mind clinging to stuff which produces panic. let go and be free


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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: Natas]
    #1081321 - 11/24/02 10:25 AM (14 years, 17 days ago)

watch the cartoon network, those shows make no sence when your tripping and they will make you laugh at the mass confusion. Jus lay down, watch cartoons and know everything will be ok a a couple of hours. After its over your gona wonder what you were so worried about.


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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: ShamanSean]
    #1081809 - 11/24/02 03:19 PM (14 years, 16 days ago)

just drink lots of fluids and wash out all the psilocybin out of your system. it'll shorten your trip dramatically.


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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: Natas]
    #1081831 - 11/24/02 03:31 PM (14 years, 16 days ago)

weed...weed cures all.


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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: spud]
    #1081912 - 11/24/02 04:13 PM (14 years, 16 days ago)

Actually,
I would not recommend weed as it makes the trip more intense (for me anyway).
The cartoon thing was a good idea, also you can try eating food and drinking plenty of fluids this really seems to bring me down from a trip. :smirk:
   


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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: TeKn0]
    #1081925 - 11/24/02 04:16 PM (14 years, 16 days ago)

it may intesify but it turns it from bad to good.


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Re: How To Come Down From A Bad Trip ? [Re: Natas]
    #1081956 - 11/24/02 04:29 PM (14 years, 16 days ago)

for some people weed can inrease anxiety and paranoia making the trip worse espesialy if there prone to anxiety and is why there having a bad trip
and for others it could help
weed has such a wide variety of effects depending on the peson that this would be up to the pesonality of the one having the bad trip
personaly i wouldn`t smoke with someone freakin out unless i knew it had a calming effect
for me weed makes my trips stronger which i useually like



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