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Offlinewingnutx
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Police fear they are losing control of gun-crazy Britain
    #1980489 - 10/05/03 03:03 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Police fear they are losing control of gun-crazy Britain

Tony Thompson, crime correspondent
Sunday October 5, 2003
The Observer

Police demanded new controls last night to combat soaring levels of gun crime, which senior officers described as 'a cancer' spreading across Britain.
The calls for urgent action came as police launched an investigation into the shooting of three men in Berkshire, days after a jeweller was shot dead in Nottingham and hit men sprayed machine-gunfire in a busy street in Hertfordshire.

On Tuesday, Marian Bates was shot dead as she tried to protect her daughter from two armed robbers who burst into her Nottinghamshire jewellers'. On Thursday, gangland figure Dave King was shot dead in Hertfordshire in a daylight machine-gun attack.

On Friday night there was another shooting in Reading, a week after a crackdown on local drug dealers. Police are investigating reports that the two events may be related.

With gun crime doubling since Labour came to power, Liberal Democrat home affairs spokesman Simon Hughes called last night for better controls on guns coming into the UK.

'The message to those who use guns to carry out their crimes must be clear and it must be tough,' he said. 'If someone uses a gun to commit a crime, he should get the toughest possible sentence handed down by the courts.'

The Association of Chief Police Officers has previously called for closer links between police and local communities in order to tackle rising gun crime. 'We have a duty to the communities who live in the shadow of gun crime to step up our efforts to root out those who organise and carry out such acts of violence,' said a spokesman. 'The solutions, however, lie beyond the power of law enforcement agencies alone.'

A Home Office spokesman said: 'The Government has announced a range of actions to tackle gun crime which, although still low, has seen an unacceptable rise in recent years. The Criminal Justice Bill includes our proposals for a five-year mandatory minimum sentence for illegal possession of a firearm. This is a clear demonstration of our commitment both to deter criminals from using firearms and to ensure that those who do receive appropriately tough sentences.'


http://www.guardian.co.uk/gun/Story/0,2763,1056459,00.html


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Re: Police fear they are losing control of gun-crazy Britain [Re: wingnutx]
    #1980498 - 10/05/03 03:07 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

First, let's put this into perspective: a Metropolitan police spokesman has said that gun-related crime only accounts for 0.003% of all crimes they deal with. Yes, it would appear that gun crime is increasing, but from a very small base. It is not a time to panic. Also we should remember that most gun crime relates to the illegal drugs trade, which is mainly controlled by foreign gangs, for whom guns are a regular part of the business. Drug dealers have been shooting each other for some time, without the media and Home Office attention suddenly being lavished upon them.

Admittedly there are changes occurring in the gangs that dominate this market. It would seem that at the moment there are a number of Kosovans moving in on the UK. This, though, probably has far more to do with US and UK military action in Kosovo (where defeat of the Serbs has facilitated drug running through the Balkans) and Afghanistan (where defeat of the Taliban has led to the extensive production of heroin again) than with the UK's sentencing laws for gun possession. The increase in gun crime is a byproduct of the level of organised crime that we are allowing to fester within our society - an organised crime business that is being fuelled by our wrongheaded laws relating to drugs.


Mo Mowlam - ex government minister

http://www.guardian.co.uk/drugs/Story/0,2763,871188,00.html



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Re: Police fear they are losing control of gun-crazy Britain [Re: wingnutx]
    #1983089 - 10/06/03 04:51 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It'll keep getting worse and some will keep making excuses.

Criminals don't obey laws now. What difference will more laws make?


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Re: Police fear they are losing control of gun-crazy Britain [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1983243 - 10/06/03 08:08 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Of course once people are allowed to have guns there will be alot less gun crime.


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Re: Police fear they are losing control of gun-crazy Britain [Re: GazzBut]
    #1984178 - 10/06/03 05:01 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Laugh if you'd like but in every state where concealed carry was not allowed, and then the law was changed to allow concealed carry, gun related crime made a sharp drop.

When criminals were arrested and surveyed, the reason given from many was that when they knew the people had no guns they felt fairly safe knowing they (the criminals) wouldn't get shot. When the law changed the criminals no longer felt this way.


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Re: Police fear they are losing control of gun-crazy Britain [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1985124 - 10/06/03 11:05 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I don't see any point in trading freedom for safety in any circumstance.

Overzealous gun laws can be as bad as the Patriot Act.


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