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Aesthetics
    #19151704 - 11/17/13 08:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What is it?
What biological function does it serve?

Why do the various arts affect us as they do? Why does a beautiful scenery affect us?


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Re: Aesthetics [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19152193 - 11/17/13 10:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Life seems to be essentially good, that there is an objective goodness about it. Life may just be really great, so great, that when it creates brains whether by accident or teleology of some sort, it creates ones that appreciate art. The biochemical process of Nature is just one of astounding complexity and beauty, it's bound to create beings that are equally meaningful.


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Re: Aesthetics [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19152262 - 11/17/13 10:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think art is expression.

We all share the same emotions, but not all of us know how to express our feelings in a way that is tangible...We all could do it but it requires laying down one's ego for a moment, and that can be incredibly difficult.

From a mystical perspective, art is the closest thing we can do to being god.
The power to create solely from our will/imagination in a flavor all of its own.


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Re: Aesthetics [Re: circastes] * 3
    #19152886 - 11/18/13 05:19 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Life seems to be essentially good, that there is an objective goodness about it. Life may just be really great, so great, that when it creates brains whether by accident or teleology of some sort, it creates ones that appreciate art. The biochemical process of Nature is just one of astounding complexity and beauty, it's bound to create beings that are equally meaningful.





You don't know what you're talking about imo. Unless talking out your :ass: is some form of knowing. :lol:


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Re: Aesthetics [Re: Icelander]
    #19153022 - 11/18/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In college I wrote a paper entitled something along the lines of 'Paradox in Aesthetic Theory - Union of Irreconcilable Opposites Bridges Gap of Unknowing." Or something.

My premise was that the aesthetics of something are an invoked flavor brought about through union of paradoxical situation which create something greater than the sum of the parts.  Keats - in his 'Letters' spoke of 'negative capability' which he said was something artists cultivated which was the ability to allow two irreconcilable things to coexist side by side without needing to make them fit. 

Somewhere you will find that within something you feel is beautiful there is a crux like this.

This bridging a gap within things also is the source of humor.  Humor doesn't make us understand, it makes us feel the gap within reason. That gaping hole in things is immensely funny.

Religion doesn't exist because people know things but because people don't know things.  It is the unknowing coming into being known, with just as much never making it to light. 

In fact the greatest thing is not knowledge but ignorance. Ignorance forces us to learn whereas knowledge forces us to sit back and feel content.

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Re: Aesthetics [Re: cez]
    #19154408 - 11/18/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I think art is expression.





sure it is, but not every expression is art...

as for other issues attached to the comment, we best not assume that we are sharing emotion (exactly) nor anything about god (which is totally a wildcard)

there is precision in art; and aesthetics are not about vagueness.

Aesthetics rely on  rhythmic precisions that underly sensible progressions which  can be seen or heard.
They shift during the histories of societies yet always provide access to an appreciation of beauty - (not exactly a mathematic, but consistently it delivers works with expression in measurable series that mesh with what we can sense, and make sense out of.)

we look for those underlying patterns when evaluating the aesthetics of something


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Re: Aesthetics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19154858 - 11/18/13 03:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Rarely met an "artist" that doesn't think he's the genuine article.  Rarely met one that I think is.  What ever that art shit is. Art is just another thing people do and not more important.  Just a hobby that a few turn into a profession.


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Re: Aesthetics [Re: Icelander] * 2
    #19154912 - 11/18/13 03:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Campbell soup can, FTW. Andy Warhol is a genius - or so people say. What about the obscure guy that actually designed the can?


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Re: Aesthetics [Re: Icelander]
    #19155287 - 11/18/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Rarely met an "artist" that doesn't think he's the genuine article.  Rarely met one that I think is.  What ever that art shit is. Art is just another thing people do and not more important.  Just a hobby that a few turn into a profession.



Either sour grapes or outright disrespect


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Re: Aesthetics [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #19155309 - 11/18/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Campbell soup can, FTW. Andy Warhol is a genius - or so people say. What about the obscure guy that actually designed the can?



What can.
Surely you se the painting and not the can.
There is no can
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Re: Aesthetics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19156474 - 11/18/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Rarely met an "artist" that doesn't think he's the genuine article.  Rarely met one that I think is.  What ever that art shit is. Art is just another thing people do and not more important.  Just a hobby that a few turn into a profession.



Either sour grapes or outright disrespect





Disrespect ftw.  What's to respect??  :confused:


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Re: Aesthetics [Re: Icelander] * 2
    #19156523 - 11/18/13 07:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"Look Daddy! I made colored handprints on my bedroom walls."

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Re: Aesthetics [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19158341 - 11/19/13 05:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

everyone tune into the munchkin frequency: btw
isn't that a bubble fest instead of a handprint polka.

I could take it seriously and say it is not my aesthetic,
or  it is not the aesthetic that we want to pursue as a society,

but it provides comic relief, and that is huge.


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Re: Aesthetics [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19184217 - 11/24/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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What is it?
What biological function does it serve?

Why do the various arts affect us as they do? Why does a beautiful scenery affect us?




To me aesthetics serves the most obvious function of dulling death anxiety, that's a given in my opinion and covers all questions.

Sometimes I wonder though, poetry can run so deep as to take everything else with it and my reason included.


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Re: Aesthetics [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19185293 - 11/25/13 01:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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To me aesthetics serves the most obvious function of dulling death anxiety, that's a given in my opinion and covers all questions.

Sometimes I wonder though, poetry can run so deep as to take everything else with it and my reason included.




it is total nonsense what you are saying, art is to Satanism more then to scared people

let me explain to you what is art exactly,

in fact there is nothing but truth existence, which is superior sense absolutely till existence is absolutely right out of all being existing rights

the point of art, is what is a junction of plural things that has no connections at all between each others, no physical link nor in natural means nor in depth,, but they can be seen related and also physically, because of absolute sense in truth known
so actually anything could be turned to a piece of art to hide its fact in truth

like what you said is Satanist, as if misery could mean arts, misery is being negatively, so your relation with truth facts are not existing

that is why the art of third world countries is inferior standards of abstract realizations, showing how cut they are from truth existence they cant sense

but shows how they are possessed by evil gods ways of existing by forcing negativity on existence superiority, so they keep having powers on all realities forever

there is nothing but truth at the end, when it is the exclusive right source, so the only source of any and all


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Re: Aesthetics [Re: absols]
    #19185576 - 11/25/13 06:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yeuchh - so much junk in there absols


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Re: Aesthetics [Re: absols]
    #19187240 - 11/25/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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To me aesthetics serves the most obvious function of dulling death anxiety, that's a given in my opinion and covers all questions.

Sometimes I wonder though, poetry can run so deep as to take everything else with it and my reason included.




it is total nonsense what you are saying, art is to Satanism more then to scared people

let me explain to you what is art exactly,

in fact there is nothing but truth existence, which is superior sense absolutely till existence is absolutely right out of all being existing rights

the point of art, is what is a junction of plural things that has no connections at all between each others, no physical link nor in natural means nor in depth,, but they can be seen related and also physically, because of absolute sense in truth known
so actually anything could be turned to a piece of art to hide its fact in truth

like what you said is Satanist, as if misery could mean arts, misery is being negatively, so your relation with truth facts are not existing

that is why the art of third world countries is inferior standards of abstract realizations, showing how cut they are from truth existence they cant sense

but shows how they are possessed by evil gods ways of existing by forcing negativity on existence superiority, so they keep having powers on all realities forever

there is nothing but truth at the end, when it is the exclusive right source, so the only source of any and all




Is English your 15th language?


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Re: Aesthetics [Re: Repertoire89]
    #19187338 - 11/25/13 02:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it is always the same fact in all forums

when someone is  pointing clearly negative means and ways, the reaction is to attack the person behind the post

English is my 250 th language, as i know all languages of the world and beyond

that is why i use English to talk about superiority of objective existence and true freedom values

yea it is so inferior how i write


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Re: Aesthetics [Re: absols]
    #19187346 - 11/25/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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absols said:
it is always the same fact in all forums

when someone is  pointing clearly negative means and ways, the reaction is to attack the person behind the post

English is my 250 th language, as i know all languages of the world and beyond

that is why i use English to talk about superiority of objective existence and true freedom values

yea it is so inferior how i write





I don't know what you're talking about frankly, that's why I commented on your use of english.


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Re: Aesthetics [Re: absols]
    #19187385 - 11/25/13 02:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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absols said:
it is always the same fact in all forums

when someone is  pointing clearly negative means and ways, the reaction is to attack the person behind the post

English is my 250 th language, as i know all languages of the world and beyond

that is why i use English to talk about superiority of objective existence and true freedom values

yea it is so inferior how i write




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