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Invisiblemuhurgle
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Re: paradigms and their accompanying aesthetics [Re: ]
    #2220741 - 01/05/04 04:17 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

That's interesting thoughts Mr.Mushrooms. You're actually laying out the basis of memetics there. Assuming that the ability to imitate is one of the most basic human traits, and actually what differs us from animals, leads to a very powerful theory on evolution of culture (and on genetic evolution by memtic pressure).

If you replace Schlorchs "paradigms" with "memes", you're already there.


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OfflineDoctorJ
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Re: paradigms and their accompanying aesthetics [Re: Sclorch]
    #2221566 - 01/05/04 10:40 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

one of the coolest things about america, IMHO is that it seems to be such a fertile grounds for these strange amalgamations of style. 

People go through different phases of personal interest and circumstance for their entire life and always end up representing themselves as some eclectic collection of these things. 

Maybe the driver of that minivan was a retired trucker who likes to party (hence the snazzy hawaiian shirt).  In the 80's, he was snorting a lot of coke in Houston, Texas.  Not his native town, but its where he picked up his love of country music.  He found the oakley's in a Denny's outside of St. Louis.  He wears a cop mustache because he thinks it makes him look like an action hero. 

But thats just my theory...

Whats even more fun is realizing how you can manipulate the general public with your appearance.  I used to not give a fuck about this.  I was totally ignorant of it, in fact.  I wore whatever I thought looked cool, even if that was purple hair, some cordorouys, a long black coat, and a Tshirt thay said "fuck you" on it.  A lot of people do that shit for attention, or to fit in with some demographic.  I just dug the aesthetics of it.  If I hadn't learned the hard way how badly the idiotic masses can make you suffer for following your own aesthetic (especially if its a little out there), I would probably still dress that way. 

But I've learned that I can do much more for my agenda by being flexible in my appearance and outputting the right signals for the right situation. 

the other day I was in a restaraunt and ran into some old high school accquaintences (everyone's in town for the holidays).  These were some real pretentious pricks that I shared a few AP classes with.  Even though I got the same grades as them, they always looked down on me because they knew I did drugs, the way I dressed, and my anarchic ways.  These guys are like the classic square over-achiever types.  One of them says to me:

"Gee, J, looks like you've really cleaned up your act."

I busted out laughing right on the spot and it took a few moments to stop.  I found it so highly amusing that a haircut and a polo shirt would make him think that.  :wink:


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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: paradigms and their accompanying aesthetics [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2221626 - 01/05/04 11:07 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

DoctorJ:Whats even more fun is realizing how you can manipulate the general public with your appearance.... But I've learned that I can do much more for my agenda by being flexible in my appearance and outputting the right signals for the right situation.

You and I have alot in common.
Have you ever tried wearing a suit? It's amazing how much respect a properly-fitting $5 thrift-store suit will bring you.

I could go off on this for hours... I'm a friggin' chameleon.


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OfflineDoctorJ
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Re: paradigms and their accompanying aesthetics [Re: Sclorch]
    #2221635 - 01/05/04 11:10 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

its amazing how much respect a $10,000 versace suit that you rented for $100 will get you :wink:


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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: paradigms and their accompanying aesthetics [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2221664 - 01/05/04 11:20 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

hehehe


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InvisibleOkEyToKeY
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Re: paradigms and their accompanying aesthetics *DELETED* [Re: Sclorch]
    #2221678 - 01/05/04 11:26 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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InvisibleZero7a1
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Re: paradigms and their accompanying aesthetics [Re: OkEyToKeY]
    #2221834 - 01/06/04 12:41 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Blue is associated with Royalty. He is no king, or not a good one at that :wink: .



Sclorch-

I have never tried to make anything really with the way i look, it is just the way i like it to be, one day i may wear my jeans and my brain power tee shirt, while another day i will where all black, my nice shoes, dress pants, black shirt, go out to a club... Makes no change. But it is interesting seeing how interaction feels in that though.

But i always like looking at that though, people project a lot of things, more than im sure they know about when they are just sitting around. But i bet i dont give out very much information at that :wink: .

There are a lot of things you have to consider, it gets easier as you see people start to do different activities, and have different stimuli, u learn a lot faster that way :wink: . Clothes may not always be the best indicator, but by judging from the eclectic dress of the man you described, im sure there is an interesting story, or maybe a lack there of.


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InvisibleSclorch
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Re: paradigms and their accompanying aesthetics [Re: OkEyToKeY]
    #2221882 - 01/06/04 01:04 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

OkEyToKeY: Anyone ever notice how during presidential speeches, good ole' George Dubbleyah is the only one wearing a blue tie? Is blue supposed to be associated with something?

Though red is considered to be the color of "the power tie," blue is a close second.
You'll notice that Bush ONLY wears red, blue, a combination of the two, and NEVER yellow (it is considered "weak"). It's amusing as hell.

Try to remember to look at tie color of all the presidential candidates... THEN look at their platform and what angle they're going for.
traditional values/"strong"/epic character - red or blue
"down home"/"the people's man" - yellows, neutral patterns, maybe pastels
"new ideas"/"change" - purple, green, flashier patterns

It's subtle imagery rhetoric... but I suppose some people think it works.


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InvisibleOkEyToKeY
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Re: paradigms and their accompanying aesthetics *DELETED* [Re: Sclorch]
    #2221893 - 01/06/04 01:09 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

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InvisibleZero7a1
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Re: paradigms and their accompanying aesthetics [Re: OkEyToKeY]
    #2222229 - 01/06/04 04:09 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

That would be too brash!!!

... Sorry just had to take a punch at the political schlong meisters.


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InvisibleZero7a1
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Re: paradigms and their accompanying aesthetics [Re: OkEyToKeY]
    #2222230 - 01/06/04 04:09 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

That would be too brash!!!

... Sorry just had to take a punch at the political schlong meisters.


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Re: paradigms and their accompanying aesthetics [Re: Sclorch]
    #2222558 - 01/06/04 10:40 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, I got your point but I wanted to add a few things I thought needed to be said.

murghle: I hadn't considered that but I understand how some could see it that way. This doesn't mean I agree though.


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InvisibleinfidelGOD
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Re: paradigms and their accompanying aesthetics [Re: Sclorch]
    #2222596 - 01/06/04 10:55 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

interesting...
I had an aesthetic once.
a real one. a good one.

when I was younger...
but now I'm getting older
and the suits are after me
I feel their pull getting stronger

oh well. so much for my aesthetic
I am to become ... one of them
sigh

some people can grow without changing.
not I.

I just wish there were more viable options...


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