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Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher
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http://zencomprehensible.com/confessions-of-a-fucked-up-zen-teacher/

I thought this was great, and really hit me at a good time in my life. Being "awakened" or "enlightened" doesn't let us escape from reality and never feel anymore pain. It's mostly about just being aware and awake to the pain fully and living with it. :heart:

At least to me, that takes a whole lot of courage.


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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: r72rock]
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I think I'll skip the Zen for now. :lol:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: r72rock]
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r72rock said:
http://zencomprehensible.com/confessions-of-a-fucked-up-zen-teacher/

I thought this was great, and really hit me at a good time in my life. Being "awakened" or "enlightened" doesn't let us escape from reality and never feel anymore pain. It's mostly about just being aware and awake to the pain fully and living with it. :heart:

At least to me, that takes a whole lot of courage.


There ARE great people out there, in all walks of life.  But conversely there are some star bellied sneetches.  It is incumbent for the student to shop around and have only the most altruistic intention for truth and liberation.


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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: eve69]
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eve69 said:
There ARE great people out there, in all walks of life.  But conversely there are some star bellied sneetches.  It is incumbent for the student to shop around and have only the most altruistic intention for truth and liberation.


For sure, he wasn't denying that though. He was just saying, zen doesn't fix you as a person and doesn't solve life's problems.


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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: r72rock]
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But no religion solves life's problems.


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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: eve69]
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Icelander said:
I think I'll skip the Zen for now. :lol:


Facing pain is often the only way to go through it.

eve69 said:
But no religion solves life's problems.


Religion is such a loaded word with powerful subjective meaning. I wouldn't go as far to make a statement like this, for some people may be living a better more for fulling life through a "religion." I personally choose to not attach any labels to my own ideas of spirituality, but if someone does, and it works for them - what's the gripe? Nothing is that black and white.

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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: eve69]
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All Life's Problems are Transitory in nature. 


The body is is the vehicle that takes you through life.  At the end of life is two possibilities.


A.Transmigration in the Reincarnational Cycles


B.Evolving extra-dimensional vessel that can take the Consciousness to Higher Dimensions.


You have to be Born Again is a reference to Righteous Attainment Ways that enable the individual to evolve in and into the Higher Dimensions.

Higher Dimensions means greater dimensional complexities of spaces.  To exist in Higher Dimensional Complexities requires a Vessel that has Higher Dimensions.

Edited by Mr.Al (10/09/13 05:32 PM)

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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: eve69]
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eve69 said:
But no religion solves life's problems.


Maybe I misread something somewhere, but neither the author, nor I ever argued that point. We're in agreement. :lol: This article was saying just that.


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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Facing pain is often the only way to go through it.

Maybe, maybe not.  Maybe facing pain is the best way to be miserable. :shrug:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Facing pain is often the only way to go through it.

Maybe, maybe not.  Maybe facing pain is the best way to be miserable. :shrug:



Someone who doesn't avoid pain becomes strong.

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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Facing pain is often the only way to go through it.

Maybe, maybe not.  Maybe facing pain is the best way to be miserable. :shrug:


We just need to find someone to face pain and report back. :lol: So far I've been pretty content being a big ol pussy.

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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: Mr.Al]
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Mr.Al said:
Icelander said:
Facing pain is often the only way to go through it.

Maybe, maybe not.  Maybe facing pain is the best way to be miserable. :shrug:



Someone who doesn't avoid pain becomes strong.


or dead


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
Mr.Al said:
Icelander said:
Facing pain is often the only way to go through it.

Maybe, maybe not.  Maybe facing pain is the best way to be miserable. :shrug:



Someone who doesn't avoid pain becomes strong.


or dead



That is True. 


Pain is an indication of something wrong physiologically sure, ignoring that can lead to dying.


Suffering does make a person stronger, it just isn't good psychologically.

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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: Mr.Al]
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Mr.Al said:
Icelander said:
Mr.Al said:
Icelander said:
Facing pain is often the only way to go through it.

Maybe, maybe not.  Maybe facing pain is the best way to be miserable. :shrug:



Someone who doesn't avoid pain becomes strong.


or dead



That is True. 


Pain is an indication of something wrong physiologically sure, ignoring that can lead to dying.


Suffering does make a person stronger, it just isn't good psychologically.


Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

Life isn't a problem to be solved, but a reality to experience.


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Why can't you be normal!
What you mean to say is, Average.

What's the pride in country if it robs a man of will?
What's the pride in manhood if a man will rape and kill?
What's the pride in killing if the dead will rise again?
Ah, but there's a pride in knowing the enemies within.

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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: MeinDarkEye]
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To not suffer over your suffering does not avoid the suffering.

Siddhartha said that there is not a Self that Suffers because Siddhartha specifically does not have Self.

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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: Mr.Al]
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Mr.Al said:
To not suffer over your suffering does not avoid the suffering.

Siddhartha said that there is not a Self that Suffers because Siddhartha specifically does not have Self.


Desire not to desire is still desire.  Distinctions are meaningless.


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Why can't you be normal!
What you mean to say is, Average.

What's the pride in country if it robs a man of will?
What's the pride in manhood if a man will rape and kill?
What's the pride in killing if the dead will rise again?
Ah, but there's a pride in knowing the enemies within.

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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: MeinDarkEye]
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Simply focus Awareness without Mind Intent.  Words may be dualistic but the Mind can see beyond.

Distinctions are important.  Truth is seen truly with distinct clarity.

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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: Mr.Al]
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Mr.Al said:
Simply focus Awareness without Mind Intent.  Words may be dualistic but the Mind can see beyond.

Distinctions are important.  Truth is seen truly with distinct clarity.


What is the difference between up or down.


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Why can't you be normal!
What you mean to say is, Average.

What's the pride in country if it robs a man of will?
What's the pride in manhood if a man will rape and kill?
What's the pride in killing if the dead will rise again?
Ah, but there's a pride in knowing the enemies within.

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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: MeinDarkEye]
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I'm glad Mr. Al found a new friend. :braindamage:


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Confessions of a Fucked Up Zen Teacher [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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c0sm0nautt said:
We just need to find someone to face pain and report back. :lol: So far I've been pretty content being a big ol pussy.


Yeah, same here. Life can be tough. It's hard to stand bare and naked in front of the awesomeness of the cosmos and life. I'm trying to work up some muscle and face the pain. :tongue: We'll see how that goes.


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