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God is bored/boring?
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So if as many believe the creator/god made all this because he was bored being all alone in eternity then he/it was obviously not happy or satisfied being self sufficient in singularity which is the very thing that most spiritual seekers aspire to. 
Discuss.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
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Then that would be a rather asinine assumption then. Wouldn't it?
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
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So, hypothetically, It gets Its entertainment out of dreaming up all of us and everything that's going on, and meanwhile the spiritualists get their entertainment out of merging and melting into Singularity... I guess everyone is bored with what they got and looking for that big surprise.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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God is also really into drugs
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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CosmicJoke said: So, hypothetically, It gets Its entertainment out of dreaming up all of us and everything that's going on, and meanwhile the spiritualists get their entertainment out of merging and melting into Singularity... I guess everyone is bored with what they got and looking for that big surprise.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: eve69]
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eve69 said: God is also really into drugs
and kinky sex
And torture, starvation, depression, psychosis, child abuse, and obesity.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
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Most people don't wish to acknowledge the creator of your reality because the boredom expected by associating with him was exactly what you needed. As if you don't wish to realize how his boredom corresponds to your boredom as well. Sometimes you will wish to be bored with someone for along time, sometimes wishing to prolong the boredom for future sessions in which you may relish in the boredom.
Sometimes you find yourself in a spiritual state that you had been advised against seeking, as if someone was trying to prevent you from reaching the spiritual state where you would attain excitement. As if he was purposely trying to make you miserable so you could never have any excitement ever again in your life. I think that certain times we might pretend to not be bored when we really are, as if we are trying to hide the fact we are bored from other people.
There is a state where the world will vanish completely and you will no longer regard it as anything real. You won't ever exist in the external state but will exist in some sort of dimension which remains in an internal form that doesn't reveal itself to other dimensions. Because youll constantly be in this inward state acknowledging certain particles of physic in which you found yourself combined, though in some ways you were also excluded from the scientific equation imparted through the galaxies. Sometimes you will be eliminated from the equation so you will no longer have to receive the lesson imparted by someone much more apt to conducting these spiritual sessions.
I had a spiritual session three years ago with someone whom I never deserved to have around because they were so much nicer than me. We created a tete a tete which formed a true bond between us without any distance whatsoever. As if even if you thought there was a certain distance blocking you from really getting to know the person that you also were creating a connection.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: drkkenny]
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: So if as many believe the creator/god made all this because he was bored being all alone in eternity then he/it was obviously not happy or satisfied being self sufficient in singularity which is the very thing that most spiritual seekers aspire to. 
Discuss.
'Becoming One with God/The Omniverse' isn't the same thing as 'Becoming God.' No one wants to become God. IMO, that's the most painful and difficult state of existence imaginable.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: So if as many believe the creator/god made all this because he was bored being all alone in eternity then he/it was obviously not happy or satisfied being self sufficient in singularity which is the very thing that most spiritual seekers aspire to. 
Discuss.
God uses creation as his shield against his death anxiety.
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Icelander said: So if as many believe the creator/god made all this because he was bored being all alone in eternity then he/it was obviously not happy or satisfied being self sufficient in singularity which is the very thing that most spiritual seekers aspire to. 
Discuss.
God uses creation as his shield against his death anxiety.
That's what I was afraid of.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: So if as many believe the creator/god made all this because he was bored being all alone in eternity then he/it was obviously not happy or satisfied being self sufficient in singularity which is the very thing that most spiritual seekers aspire to. 
Discuss.
Who wouldn't be bored in eternity? There's nothing to do and it'd have no purpose.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: r72rock]
#19026983 - 10/24/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Someone who is unable to feel boredom. If I was God, I'd just make it so I can't get bored.
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I think he had a good time making it. Try to perceive through the higher levels in your mind and notice that the world is not a mundane place.
Further, the worlds outside the physical body are fascinatingly strange. I would say sacred.
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White Beard said: Someone who is unable to feel boredom. If I was God, I'd just make it so I can't get bored.
... touche...
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
#19029183 - 10/25/13 12:30 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It's sounds like it would be "opposites attract" type of thing.
God is whole, we are many. We can become whole (if only for a moment and not even realize it) but we always come back to the many.
If we can become whole within ourselves, I imagine we can do it with others. But that's quite the imagination I think.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
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eve69 said: God is also really into drugs
and kinky sex
And torture, starvation, depression, psychosis, child abuse, and obesity. 
Can't let a few (thousand) rotten apples spoil the whole semi.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Space Elf]
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Space Elf said:
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Icelander said: So if as many believe the creator/god made all this because he was bored being all alone in eternity then he/it was obviously not happy or satisfied being self sufficient in singularity which is the very thing that most spiritual seekers aspire to. 
Discuss.
'Becoming One with God/The Omniverse' isn't the same thing as 'Becoming God.' No one wants to become God. IMO, that's the most painful and difficult state of existence imaginable.
It must be just like when you take a swim. The human body is 70% water, and when you swim water in the body keeps you afloat. But if you stay in too long you become a shriveled prune.
And staying in too long doesn't mean you're closer. Closer than say, in Death Valley, but once you're in, you're in.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: So if as many believe the creator/god made all this because he was bored being all alone in eternity
Those terms aren't to be confused or regarded as the same.
God is the creator of the material world in the Bible.
Other theories dictate that you are the creator with the world being a holographic side effect of projected unconscious guilt caused by having separated from God.
God is not "bored" in eternity. He is eternity and is said to have no manipulation, will, nor knowledge (in some theories) for the material, hence why he "Wills his son home". The "Holy Spirit" is the footprint (of what everyone knows but has forgotten) and proxy that communicates between the two.
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And torture, starvation, depression, psychosis, child abuse, and obesity. 
All effects of guilt projection driven by the cause - the ego.
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Points to be learned: (a) don't have an ego (then no guilt) (b) you're just a stupid pathetic little human (c) God is eternity (so you can be a pathetic stupid little human as long as you fucking damn well please (d) God is not bored which is why he wills his holy spirit to make Jesus act like a duplicitous asshole, leading to his torture...
and a million remakes of the "I'm so misunderstood, everybody is against me" thang.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: eve69]
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Icelander said: So if as many believe the creator/god made all this because he was bored being all alone in eternity then he/it was obviously not happy or satisfied being self sufficient in singularity which is the very thing that most spiritual seekers aspire to. 
Discuss.
I'd say that belief is incorrect because god couldn't really be bored or lonely because they both require that you see something as other than yourself, there can't be god & something else that is other than god, its humans imposing human attributes on what is attributeless
The way i see it is that infinite energy creates because it is infinite energy, potential must be realized, but at the same time nothing ever happens, there is no actual creation, this is not real
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: So if as many believe the creator/god made all this because he was bored being all alone in eternity then he/it was obviously not happy or satisfied being self sufficient in singularity which is the very thing that most spiritual seekers aspire to. 
Discuss.
This is the way I see it.
God is existence itself - the eternal sole reality.
Existence (or reality itself) has two aspects to itself; consciousness and consciousness. Hence there are two aspects of God. God unconscious of himself and God conscious of himself as the sole reality.
The creation does not come from God on purpose, it is an accident of which happens itself. The reason is that it comes from the infinite unconscious aspect of God. So God cannot be bored yet because in his unconscious state he has no consciousness and no mind.
Something unexplainable happens within the infinite unconsciousness of which triggers the most basic form of consciousness possible, it is the first division within the indivisible sea of unconsciousness. God needs to perceive something other than himself in order to attain consciousness. The universe is that imagined or perceived "other" which makes consciousness possible for God. It results in a chain of evolving consciousness.. stones and metals, plants and trees, apes and us. An evolving and changing stream of perception makes way for higher and higher states of self-awareness. The final state of reality is God as infinite consciousness which is completely still and motionless. It is the original state of God except now there is consciousness instead of none. We are not at this state of consciousness because we are caught up in the illusory screen of perception of which we are unconsciously projecting.
Most people are mistakenly convinced that the objects of there perception (sense experiences) are what really exist, completely disregarding perception itself as real. In fact it is perception itself which creates the objects of which we perceive, nothing would exist without perception - it is fundamental.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Chronic7]
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Icelander said: So if as many believe the creator/god made all this because he was bored being all alone in eternity then he/it was obviously not happy or satisfied being self sufficient in singularity which is the very thing that most spiritual seekers aspire to. 
Discuss.
I'd say that belief is incorrect because god couldn't really be bored or lonely because they both require that you see something as other than yourself, there can't be god & something else that is other than god, its humans imposing human attributes on what is attributeless
The way i see it is that infinite energy creates because it is infinite energy, potential must be realized, but at the same time nothing ever happens, there is no actual creation, this is not real
Well if I'm bored then god is bored according to your views.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
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Your right, god playing as a person can get bored
What i meant is god as reality, absolute, infinity itself can not be bored or lonely because there is no other to think of
If you think then you can become lots of things including bored or lonely, if you don't think then you are totally whole
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Chronic7]
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I just read a very interesting piece on the origins of boredom in humans. It makes total sense we'd get bored often from a survival standpoint.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
#19030582 - 10/25/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i used to sometimes get the feeling of being bored with absolutely everything
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said: So if as many believe the creator/god made all this because he was bored being all alone in eternity then he/it was obviously not happy or satisfied being self sufficient in singularity which is the very thing that most spiritual seekers aspire to. 
Discuss.
Except that a lot of theologians maintain that creativity and love are of the essential nature of Deity, and that creation is by 'necessity,' not by choice. Creation has to flow from Deity, and it is not simply a matter of deciding to create (from boredom or any other human attribute) and forgetting about it (like the "Divine Clock-Maker" Deists suggested), but as the Hindus have contributed to the discussion, God is Creator, Preserver, and Destroyer, so creation is a continuous process, as is the preservation and destruction. Stars die all the time, as well as being born. Any life on planets near a nova or supernova are gonna die too. Physicists have noted that photons seem to appear out of the vacuum of deep space. They may 'bubble up' from the "Quantum foam" that is designated as the most basic level of space-time.
The Kabbalists suggest that God retracted Its Infinite Being, omnidirectionally, to create a singularity, no larger than a mathematical point, which is to say Zero dimensions. It served like a vacuole in an amoeba, which retracts its cytoplasm to create a space, a bubble in itself. The 4th dimensional universe of energy which later cooled to form matter, expanded from this singularity, and can continue to expand (theoretically) into the Infinite Being of God (1) forever, or (2) expands until it dissipates and halts, (3) halts retracts again into a Singularity, (4) halts eventually and simply burns out leaving matter but nothing more energetic, (5) continues to accelerate as it seems to be doing, maybe attaining to the speed of light or beyond, both of which exceeds any human comprehension.
Our own dreamscapes can never burst out of an unbounded mind (mind has zero dimension, it is not a substance that occupies space-time either), and the expanding universe can also continue to expand, creating as it expands. There is no 'beyond' the horizon of the expanding universe, nothing exists yet. It is the Unmanifest Godhead, "...without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep..." - Genesis 1:2.
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Hmm, my mind immediately went to Bhrama sleeping & Pralaya, creation and destruction, cyclic time etc. when I read the OP, but I didn't bother elaborating.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Why must boredom be a problem? Kick back, relax, enjoy the ride.
Trust me, just open your mouth and close those eyes.
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I like the analogy that God is a Titan running and the universe is his heartbeat expanding and contracting. The truth is that there are a thousand thousand titans running a multiverse of existence, and they could give a fuck less what we're doing on this rock. They're busy running to keep all of this existing.
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The truth is
Better get in line.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Chronic7]
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The Chronic said: ...it's humans imposing human attributes on what is attributeless...
Well said. And always worth remembering.
To believe in a God who is "other" is to project your longings and desires into the heavens and see their reflection there. The whole Judeo/Christian creation myth is a reflection of what we long for the most, and what we fear the most.
The God myth is simply that -- a myth. And that's okay. Human beings are by nature myth-tellers and myth-believers.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Icelander]
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What good would there be in existence if there wouldn't be something /-one else around to be, experience and recognize it ?
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: BlueCoyote]
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I weep for god.
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Icelander said: So if as many believe the creator/god made all this because he was bored being all alone in eternity then he/it was obviously not happy or satisfied being self sufficient in singularity which is the very thing that most spiritual seekers aspire to. 
Discuss.
Except that a lot of theologians maintain that creativity and love are of the essential nature of Deity, and that creation is by 'necessity,' not by choice. Creation has to flow from Deity, and it is not simply a matter of deciding to create (from boredom or any other human attribute) and forgetting about it (like the "Divine Clock-Maker" Deists suggested), but as the Hindus have contributed to the discussion, God is Creator, Preserver, and Destroyer, so creation is a continuous process, as is the preservation and destruction. Stars die all the time, as well as being born. Any life on planets near a nova or supernova are gonna die too. Physicists have noted that photons seem to appear out of the vacuum of deep space. They may 'bubble up' from the "Quantum foam" that is designated as the most basic level of space-time.
The Kabbalists suggest that God retracted Its Infinite Being, omnidirectionally, to create a singularity, no larger than a mathematical point, which is to say Zero dimensions. It served like a vacuole in an amoeba, which retracts its cytoplasm to create a space, a bubble in itself. The 4th dimensional universe of energy which later cooled to form matter, expanded from this singularity, and can continue to expand (theoretically) into the Infinite Being of God (1) forever, or (2) expands until it dissipates and halts, (3) halts retracts again into a Singularity, (4) halts eventually and simply burns out leaving matter but nothing more energetic, (5) continues to accelerate as it seems to be doing, maybe attaining to the speed of light or beyond, both of which exceeds any human comprehension.
Our own dreamscapes can never burst out of an unbounded mind (mind has zero dimension, it is not a substance that occupies space-time either), and the expanding universe can also continue to expand, creating as it expands. There is no 'beyond' the horizon of the expanding universe, nothing exists yet. It is the Unmanifest Godhead, "...without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep..." - Genesis 1:2.
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Re: God is bored/boring? [Re: Deviate]
#19073962 - 11/02/13 08:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think this reality is boring, but we can do real things. Seems god would have been highly ammused by the intensly powerful hallucinations. God doens't seem to have much to do with real life. Nothing changes cause of god, so god might as well as not exist....and probably doesn't exist.
-------------------- "in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur" In filth it will be found in dung it will be found
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