Comradez said:

It always mystifies me why people diagnosed with schizophrenia feel the need to take psychedelics.  Why not just go off of your antipsychotic medication for a while and see how that goes?  If the delusions and hallucinations are fun, keep at it.  Otherwise, get back on the meds.  Consider yourself "lucky"--you get to sort of "trip" without having to purchase or manufacture an illegal substance. 

Of course, there are differences between most people's tripping experiences and most people's experiences of psychosis...although part of me suspects that it is theoretically just as possible to have pleasurable, grandiose, spiritual psychoses as it is to have pleasurable, profound, spiritual trips, and likewise, that it is just as possible to have horrible, terrifying psychoses as it is to have horrible, terrifying bad trips.  It all depends on set and setting...but if one is psychotic and sort of "tripping" all the time, it's hard to constantly guarantee a good set and setting, and it would be mentally exhausting to be living like that 24/7, so I understand why it's not quite fair to say to schizophrenics, "Cheer up, mate!  According to Terence Mckenna, you're just "shamanic"!"

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Here's the thing, I take my meds as directed and I am no longer schizophrenic, AT ALL. No voices, no paranoid delusions, just normality.

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Phenocide said:

Long term you are gonna need to hold a job, find a nice girl, raise a family--responsible shit like that.  You can't do that if you are schizophrenic.

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ahmcarri said:

Phenocide said:

Long term you are gonna need to hold a job, find a nice girl, raise a family--responsible shit like that.  You can't do that if you are schizophrenic.

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says who?

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Phenocide said:

ahmcarri said:

Phenocide said:

Long term you are gonna need to hold a job, find a nice girl, raise a family--responsible shit like that.  You can't do that if you are schizophrenic.

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says who?

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Well, the having kids thing is optional, of course (I didn't have any).  But having a job, a couple of good friends, and a squeeze are essential to long term happiness.  Do you disagree?  That is hard to accomplish if you are constantly hearing the trees talking to the powerlines.

Or are you arguing that it is "no-worries" for him to take psychedelics when he is prone to schizophrenia?

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ShroomhunterNJ said:

and the compounds in the mushrooms would exacerbate, your condition, by increasing serotonin, Your symptoms would be 10 times worse

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ShroomhunterNJ said:

This is not necessarily true. It COULD make his symptoms worse. It hasn't for me. Everybody is different.

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Macavity224 said:

ahmcarri, do you have any evidence that meditation could get out of control and have negative effects? I'm not trying to be a wiseass...genuinely curious, because I've never heard of stuff like that happening with meditation.

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actually yes.
http://www.brighthub.com/health/alternative-medicine/articles/63006.aspx
http://trancenet.net/research/2000perezdealbeniz.shtml

Meditation CAN make things worse for a schizophrenic, just like a psychedelic can, because after all you are exploring the subconscious, and because you are tapping into it, you are opening doors in your mind whether it be from psychedelics, mediation, astral projection, obe's etc.
A schizophrenic person has a very fragile mind state and their subconscious should not be tapped into unless they know what they are doing/where they are going in their minds. And if they know they can handle the experience/ the consequence from tapping into and opening a specific part of their mind.
Meditation is just a much milder form than psychedelics of tapping into your subconscious, and it does open doors, such as when you get "enlightened". you are on a higher level of functioning, an altered sate of consciousness when you are "enlightened", some schizophrenics might not be able to handle the process of their mind elevating onto a different level of functioning because of their fragile mind state.

I dont think schizophrenics could handle being on any elevated state of consciousness just because that could take them to a really bad place in their minds by opening that "door".
However, I dont mean schizophrenics shouldn't practice meditation, because it may help them IF they know what they are getting themselves into /what doors they are opening with it.
Meditation is pretty safe because it's such a light form of tapping into your subconscious and its also controlled so if you feel you've gone too far or a place you shouldn't of in your mind, you can always stop.

I have a theory that if a schizophrenic were to practice tapping into their sunconscious and "safely" opening those doors then eventually they could build up to psychedelic use.
As by that point it shouldn't have negative consequences on their psyche if they have explored their subconscious through other means before and know it in and out by safely opening all of those "doors". They would need to start light though, first exploring themselves through mediation as that is the safest, then astral projection, obe's, lucid dreaming etc. gradually strengthening themselves for psychedelics. Like a step by step psychological exploration/strengthening process. It's essential to start at mediation though because it's "guided", lack of a better word, as in you're "guiding" your self through the process. (i.e. you can stop whenever you feel you've gone too far in your psyche)

I think this is the only way a schizophrenic person could ever prepare themselves for a psychedelic experience w/o any harmful effects coming out of it. they shouldn't just straight jump into the psychedelic because that isn't "guided", like mediation, you can't stop if you've gone too far into your psyche. The same can be said for astral projection, obe's, lucid dreaming etc. If you jump into those straight away with a fragile mind set you can probably cause more harm than good, even if you can control the experience by how far your mind dwells into it, unlike with psychedelics. Thats why it's crucial to take it a step at time and start with the most "controlled" method of exploring yourself, meditation. Slowly and safely moving furter and further in your exploration of yourself through astral projection, obe's, lucid dreaming etc ultimately building you self up for psychedelic use.

just my 2 cents, sorry its so long, just wanted to put all my thoughts down. but thats what i would recommend for the op if he really wants to trip

btw i stopped reading at page 2 so idk if this has been mentioned or if the topic changed or anything so yehh>.>

floydisgod said:

I tend not to believe articles with that many typos...
@ op the choice is yours, you've heard the arguments for and against it, its up to you to decide now

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juuiez said:

Macavity224 said:

ahmcarri, do you have any evidence that meditation could get out of control and have negative effects? I'm not trying to be a wiseass...genuinely curious, because I've never heard of stuff like that happening with meditation.

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actually yes.
http://www.brighthub.com/health/alternative-medicine/articles/63006.aspx
http://trancenet.net/research/2000perezdealbeniz.shtml

meditation CAN make things worse for a schizophrenic, just like a psychedelic can, because after all you are exploring the subconscious, and because you are tapping into it, you are opening doors in your mind whether it be from psychedelics, mediation, astral projection, obe's etc.
a schizophrenic person has a very vragile mind state and their subconscious should not be tapped into unless they know what they are doing/where they are going in their minds. And if they know they can handle the experience/ the consequence from tapping into and opening a specific part of their mind.
meditation is just a much milder form than psychedelics of tapping into your subconscious, and it does open doors, such as when you get "enlightened". you are on a higher level of functioning, an altered sate of consciousness when you are "enlightened", some schizophrenics might not be able to handle the proccess of their mind elevating onto a different level of functioning because of their fragile mind state.
i dont think schizophrenics could handle being on any elevated state of consciousness just because that could take them to a really bad place in their minds by opening that "door".
however, i dont mean schizophrenics shouldnt practice meditation, because it may help them IF they know what they are getting themselves into /what doors they are opening with it. meditation is pretty safe because it's such a light form of tapping into your subconsciouss and its also controlled so if you feel you've gone too far or a place you shouldn't of in your mind, you can always stop.
that being said, i have a theory that if a schizophrenic were to practice tapping into their sunconscious and "safely" opening those doors then eventually they could build up to psychedelic use. As by that point it shouldnt have negative consiquences on their psyche if they have explored their subconscious through other means before and know it in and out by safely opening all of those "doors". They would need to start light though, first exploring themselves through mediation as that is the safest, then astral projection, obe's, lucid dreaming etc. gradually strengthening themselves for psychedelics. like a step by step psychological exploration/strengething proccess. it's essential to start at mediation though because it's "guided", lack of a better word, as in you're "guiding" your self through the proccess. (i.e. you can stop whenever you feel you've gone too far in your psyche)

i think this is the only way a scizhophrenic person could ever prepare themselves for a psychedelic experience w/o any harmful effects comming out of it. they shouldn't just straight jump into the psychedelic because that isn't "guided", like mediation, you can't stop if you've gone too far into your psyche. the same can be said for astral projection, obe's, lucid dreaming etc. if you jump into those straight away with a fragile mind set you can probably cause more harm than good, even if you can control the experience by how far your mind dwells into it, unlike with psychedelics. thats why it's crucial to take it a step at time and start with the most "controlled" method of exploring yourself, meditation. Slowly and safely moving furhter and further in your exploration of yourself through astral projection, obe's, lucid dreaming etc ultimately building you self up for psychedelic use.
just my 2 cents, srry its so long, just wanted to put all my thoughts down. but thats what i would reccomend for the op if he really wants to trip

btw i stopped reading at page 2 so idk if this has been mentioned or if the topic changed or anything so yehh>.>

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