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I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me?
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I've read that schizophrenia  shrooms = bad. I've read the same thing about weed and I do fine smoking.

Here's the thing, I take my meds as directed and I am no longer schizophrenic, AT ALL. No voices, no paranoid delusions, just normality.

Would taking shrooms upset something inside of me that's being suppressed by the medication? I don't know too much about how the human mind works.....

If it DID have a bad effect on me, would I have a bad trip and then nothing bad after that, or would it permanently screw up my brain?

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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: Zeusophobia]
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I'd say it's still a bad idea. Also, what meds are you on? They will most likely stop any effects from psychedelics, so to get effects, you'd have to stop the meds which would have schizophrenia symptoms return


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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: chooken]
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I'm on Zyprexa and Abilify. Zyprexa is an anti psychotic, I think it somehow effects my seratonin, Abilify is an anti-depressant. I'm not depressed, it's just that Abilify maximizes the effects of the Zyprexa without giving me the nasty side effects of a large dose of Zyprexa.

I'd be willing to waste money on "it might not do anything" but at the same time, I don't want to mess around with my meds in order to get it to work. I would literally have to stop taking them for 3 weeks to get them out of my system and cold turkeying Zyprexa is a death wish.

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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: Zeusophobia]
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I'm gonna say don't do it. Whats the reason you want to try mushrooms? If it's spiritual, perhaps try meditation instead


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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: chooken]
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I want to hallucinate and have a good time and see crazy shit. I also hear you come up with awesome ideas while tripping. Just tripping in general sounds like an awesome good time.

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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: Zeusophobia]
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No matter what anyone else says, nobody else knows. Only you will know from experience.


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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: matter0ni]
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syd barrett :trippinballs:


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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: Zeusophobia]
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Zeusophobia said:
I want to hallucinate and have a good time and see crazy shit. I also hear you come up with awesome ideas while tripping. Just tripping in general sounds like an awesome good time.


Just remember to weigh that with the possible negative effects, your gonna know those better than me. Be smart with this as it could end badly, stand back and make a mature educated decision. Especially if you're young, you don't want to affect the rest of your life for the worse. It's your life and yours to do what you want, I'm just offering you my perspective.

If you do decide to go through with it, start very low and if all goes well, work your way up.


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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: chooken]
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I think there was a thread a while ago about the possibilities of psychedelics making schizophrenia go away, I think someone had tried it

EDIT: found it http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/14833244#14833244

no one tried it though

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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: chooken]
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this honestly has BAD written all over it. the reason why schitzophrenics and hallucinogens dont mix is they can amplify a condition you already have....and thats not really a door you can close once its been pushed open.

Abilify and zyprexa arent light medications, you saying that your totally stable sounds like a real good thing and you shouldnt give that up so easily especially if you "just want to hallucinate and see fucked up stuff."

Alot of people are going to say dont do it and some are going to say they were in the same boat as you and it really helped them but at the end of the day your the one who makes the choice.

i personally am a "better safe than sorry" type and wouldnt do it.

PLUS like previous posts you would likely have to get off your meds for a few weeks just for the shrooms to work on you and even then they might make your schitzophrenia WORSE.

It sucks but my best advice for you would be get into meditation and lucid dreaming/OBE's they are not EXACTLY like tripping and definitely no where near as easy but they are something for now to work on.

hopefully in the future you can get to a point where you dont need the meds and at that point then MAYBE think about psychadelics and even then at smaller than normal doses and work up.

but your gonna do what you wanna do just make sure if you do decide you wanna do this you check up your contraindications, some meds and phychadelics can cause FATAL reactions!

be careful
be educated
be smart


good luck!


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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: Zeusophobia]
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Zeusophobia said:
I've read that schizophrenia  shrooms = bad. I've read the same thing about weed and I do fine smoking.

Here's the thing, I take my meds as directed and I am no longer schizophrenic, AT ALL. No voices, no paranoid delusions, just normality.

Would taking shrooms upset something inside of me that's being suppressed by the medication? I don't know too much about how the human mind works.....

If it DID have a bad effect on me, would I have a bad trip and then nothing bad after that, or would it permanently screw up my brain?


lets assume the worst happens and you progress to a catatonic schizophrenia... I said WORST...

you're gonna be fucked if it makes your condition worsen.  Do you wanna risk having to be on even more meds, or possibly losing touch with reality?

your mind is a horrible thing to throw away.



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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: Zeusophobia]
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Yes.

I say acid is a safer bet.

Im a very stable schizophrenic person myself but when I eat mushrooms I totally dissociate, get delusional and think Im people who I am not. I cant handle myself in public on mushrooms anymore...I could at first but even a small dose now and Im rambling about things I have no comprehension of and neither do other people. I think Im in Jerusalem or Lima or something when really Im in Indiana.


You dont want to eat mushrooms on the meds you are on anyway though, they have a bad interaction.

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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: Zeusophobia]
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Zeusophobia said:
I want to hallucinate and have a good time and see crazy shit. I also hear you come up with awesome ideas while tripping. Just tripping in general sounds like an awesome good time.


Stay away from psychedelics.


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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: Constantine]
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TBH all he has to do to hallucinate is go off his meds.

I hallucinate sober.

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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: chooken]
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chooken said:
I'm gonna say don't do it. Whats the reason you want to try mushrooms? If it's spiritual, perhaps try meditation instead


here is the thing im toying with
meditation is you controlling the chemicals being fired off in your brain (self induced)
eating mushroom and neurotransmitters are sent to the brain (self induced)
so i feel that even meditation could be too mind expanding

actually if you dont mind me asking, while you wernt on medication, and you had symptoms, how were your sleeping habits? did you ever dream? op please, is if you want, tell me more about yourself, im very interested.
DMT has me really interested in the brain as a muscle right now. schizophrenia has always been my prime interest in the subject.

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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: JilPil]
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meditation = voluntary

mushrooms = once you eat them it becomes involuntary and creates a feeling of lack of control


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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: AgingHippy]
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teefizzle said:
meditation = voluntary

mushrooms = once you eat them it becomes involuntary and creates a feeling of lack of control


i dont have a feeling of lack of control when i take mushrooms unless i overload my body with more than an eighth(more neurotransmitters than my brain is able to flex)

many people are very afraid they wont return, and that they have lost control of their brain, when first leaving their body's, while astral projecting.

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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: JilPil]
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yes, but we are talking about a diagnosed mentally ill person here, and he's not asking about astral projection or lucid dreaming.

This is a person with schizophrenia asking if they should eat mushrooms.  Any person in their right mind (pun unintended) would not suggest the OP eat mushrooms.

that's about where I stand.  OP is going to do what he'll do, but I don't want to be part of encouraging this and then have him return with progressed symptoms from it.


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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: AgingHippy]
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teefizzle said:
yes, but we are talking about a diagnosed mentally ill person here, and he's not asking about astral projection or lucid dreaming.

This is a person with schizophrenia asking if they should eat mushrooms.  Any person in their right mind (pun unintended) would not suggest the OP eat mushrooms.

that's about where I stand.  OP is going to do what he'll do, but I don't want to be part of encouraging this and then have him return with progressed symptoms from it.


which is why i suggested OBE's or lucid dreaming its a break from the norm of life but doesnt fuck up your brain chemicals and he wont even have to get off his meds to do it. the previous poster who said that meditation could possibly effect brain chems in the way shrooms would.......highly doubt it. to the best of my knowledge no one has ever meditated and it made their mental illness worse. people doing shrooms or other psychadelics MANY accounts of it aggravating psychosis.


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Re: I'm an extremely stable schizophrenic person. Would mushrooms be bad for me? [Re: AgingHippy]
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teefizzle said:
yes, but we are talking about a diagnosed mentally ill person here, and he's not asking about astral projection or lucid dreaming.


exactly, im just saying that maybe he should be careful with meditating too
so what i said was dont go and tell him to meditate when you really dont know how that can effect him (let alone a schizophrenic)
i was pointing out that even with meditation, the end result could be the same(he said he wanted to see shit and lucid dreaming and astral projection are the best ways)
im saying they can both be equally dangerous

edit: btw i never told him to take them at all, or was i defending anyone who wanted him to
i was saying that meditation could ultimately be just as bad if he gets very good at it. (ie: some people lose control of the meditation state at very high levels, it can be extremely terrifying scaring [pretty much you unable to control it])

Edited by JilPil (08/10/11 07:18 AM)

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