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The longer people treat schizophrenia like a "disorder" or "sickness", or think of themselves as being "sick" or "crazy", the longer it'll stay that way.

I really don't feel like explaining myself. The one's who know what I meant will understand.

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AaronEruditus said:
The longer people treat schizophrenia like a "disorder" or "sickness", or think of themselves as being "sick" or "crazy", the longer it'll stay that way.

I really don't feel like explaining myself. The one's who know what I meant will understand.

Bless you.

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On 3.5 grams of mushrooms + weed, I've degenerated into full-blown "formal thought disorder"--a manic "word-salad" output that lasted for at least an hour during which I thought I was explaining perfectly self-evident things that, in hindsight, didn't make a nanogram of sense even in terms of constructing coherent delusions.  It was way beyond that.  My mind was racing from one thing to the next, omitting 9 out of every 10 words as just so much useless verbiage that I was sure was implicitly understood by my friend (who didn't have a clue what I was trying to say, but who was finding it incredibly hysterical nonetheless, which then made me laugh hysterically in turn as I tried to explain what I was thinking, so it was a fun time despite the complete disorganization of linguistic thought). 

I really wish I had videotaped myself because I'm sure I would find it fascinating to watch a million times, in terms of possibly being able to recover *some* of the thought process I had at the time.  As it stands, though, I have no idea what I was thinking, nor do I even remember much of what I said.  I think a lot of it went something like this:

"Religion is kind of a symmetrical dinosaur because when the final fantasy pushes the poesie du present, it gets into the pancakes and THEN OH BOY do you interlocute a not so really very many scorpion tabernacle, but the vehicular clamberwang shebang-a-wang do-dat-do wong song sing into my pony when the shiny contestation wants to alright the knight to c3 to get the geometry so that everlastingly lasting into the last lasterday daydream meme-machine..."

To be fair, this was hilarious and harmless while it lasted.  The main consequence of all of this was me and my friend laughing our asses off.  But if I had to live in this mindset all the time, I'm sure it would eventually stop being funny and start being very exhausting, bewildering, and frightening, both to myself and to others.  In this chronic sense, I'd call it a sickness. 

The point of the psychedelic experience, in my mind, is not so much the destination as it is the voyage.  The idea is to occasionally travel from complete rationality to complete irrationality, from France to Siberia.  Most people are stuck in France all their lives, which is lame enough, but being stuck in Siberia all one's life would be even worse, I think.  The point is to be able to travel between the two, so that you gain an outside perspective on both.

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Very entertaining post to say the least, hehehe. Been there (you know, when you're brain just jumps from one to the other 'enlightening' thought). At least you and friend had fun and weren't running around the neighborhood preaching the oncoming Apocalypse (not that this happened to me, just the first example that came to mind).

You made a good point. I'm going to the gym now, so when I come back, I will explain my point. No doubt, there IS a risk in using psychedelics while exhibiting certain mental patterns, but there is a safe way of doing it.

Like I said, I'll be back in a little while with a longer, more in-detail response.

Thank you for being respectful in your answer, it's appreciated

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I really don't feel like explaining myself. The one's who know what I meant will understand.

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AaronEruditus said:

The longer people treat schizophrenia like a "disorder" or "sickness", or think of themselves as being "sick" or "crazy", the longer it'll stay that way.

I really don't feel like explaining myself. The one's who know what I meant will understand.

No doubt, there IS a risk in using psychedelics while exhibiting certain mental patterns, but there is a safe way of doing it.

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AaronEruditus said:

The longer people treat schizophrenia like a "disorder" or "sickness", or think of themselves as being "sick" or "crazy", the longer it'll stay that way.

I really don't feel like explaining myself. The one's who know what I meant will understand.

No doubt, there IS a risk in using psychedelics while exhibiting certain mental patterns, but there is a safe way of doing it.

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Alright guys, I think I'm not going to do it. I was willing to risk a bad trip, but risking a permanent bad trip (which is how I would describe schizophrenia before I was on meds) is not on the table.

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I really don't feel like explaining myself. The one's who know what I meant will understand.

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Ok, now to my explanation.

Terence McKenna has talked about this in "Schizophrenic or Shamanic?".

He mentions that in traditional/aboriginal societies, an individual showing 'schizophrenic' tendencies is taken by the elders, told he has a special gift, and put under the training of a Shaman. A shaman is somebody who guides the aboriginal society, heals the sick (he does what the western society today calls "alternative medicine/healing"), and is a teacher to the young and old alike. A wise man who does more than just philosophise all day, but goes into "action" when needed to.

In our society, people displaying 'schizophrenic' thought patterns are told that they have a problem, are becoming a 'threat' to society, put under drugs (which are so nicely labeled as "medicine"), and in worst case scenarios locked in psych-wards.

Most of you will clearly see the difference in treatment here.

Shamans are also know to use psychedelics/entheogens as a journeying/magickal/ceremonial tool. Now, Shamans-to-be, or so-called neophytes will NOT be allowed to use these plants right away. They start off with meditation/thought control. Then move on to doing magickal ceremonies under NO influence at all. You see, before they are allowed to let an entheogen explode their imagination into limitlessness, they will have to have control over their mind/imagination, and not the other way around. They will have to be able to do magick WITHOUT entheogens, so when they ARE under the influence, the ceremony will be THAT much more powerful and according to the expectation/goal of the ceremony.

Now, in Western society, most people don't practice meditation and thought control exercises, let alone [ceremonial] magick. So, when a 'schizophrenic', who most likely does NOT know how to control/quiet his own mind, goes onto a psychedelic experience (which will blow his already vivid imagination to whole new, seemingly limitless dimensions), the chances of fright being experienced is very big.

That IS why I suggested he take up meditation first, learn to quiet his mind and control his imagination.

I hope I cleared a few things up with this post. If there are still serious questions to be asked, I will gladly do my best to explain.

Bless all of you, and have a nice evening

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Ok, now to my explanation.

Terence McKenna has talked about this in "Schizophrenic or Shamanic?".

He mentions that in traditional/aboriginal societies, an individual showing 'schizophrenic' tendencies is taken by the elders, told he has a special gift, and put under the training of a Shaman. A shaman is somebody who guides the aboriginal society, heals the sick (he does what the western society today calls "alternative medicine/healing"), and is a teacher to the young and old alike. A wise man who does more than just philosophise all day, but goes into "action" when needed to.

In our society, people displaying 'schizophrenic' thought patterns are told that they have a problem, are becoming a 'threat' to society, put under drugs (which are so nicely labeled as "medicine"), and in worst case scenarios locked in psych-wards.

Most of you will clearly see the difference in treatment here.

Shamans are also know to use psychedelics/entheogens as a journeying/magickal/ceremonial tool. Now, Shamans-to-be, or so-called neophytes will NOT be allowed to use these plants right away. They start off with meditation/thought control. Then move on to doing magickal ceremonies under NO influence at all. You see, before they are allowed to let an entheogen explode their imagination into limitlessness, they will have to have control over their mind/imagination, and not the other way around. They will have to be able to do magick WITHOUT entheogens, so when they ARE under the influence, the ceremony will be THAT much more powerful and according to the expectation/goal of the ceremony.

Now, in Western society, most people don't practice meditation and thought control exercises, let alone [ceremonial] magick. So, when a 'schizophrenic', who most likely does NOT know how to control/quiet his own mind, goes onto a psychedelic experience (which will blow his already vivid imagination to whole new, seemingly limitless dimensions), the chances of fright being experienced is very big.

That IS why I suggested he take up meditation first, learn to quiet his mind and control his imagination.

I hope I cleared a few things up with this post. If there are still serious questions to be asked, I will gladly do my best to explain.

Bless all of you, and have a nice evening

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You sir are not so far at being a Shaman yourself. I enjoyed reading your post and I learned a lot. It made a lot of sense. I'd love to hear more from you.

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Thank you for this kind post, good sir.

One day I would definitely like to practice shamanism myself, but I'm afraid that I still have A LOT to learn. This is also why I have such a high regard/respect for Shamans and their lifestyle. I can only 'imagine' the things they have seen.

Bless you

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Zeusophobia said:
Alright guys, I think I'm not going to do it. I was willing to risk a bad trip, but risking a permanent bad trip (which is how I would describe schizophrenia before I was on meds) is not on the table.

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This post shows that you are indeed in control of your own mind and future.  I'm am very pleased to read this. 

You just made a volitional choice--you thought about it for days and made a choice--not some "jump to a position" kind of reactionary choice, but a thoughtful, volitional choice.

Now you get to watch your friends trip while you drink alcohol and smoke a little weed.  You will get to see how silly they look, and how silly their "spiritual insights" are when they are talking about them on the come-down.

You are going to need to figure out how to not be a douchebag in pointing that out though (maybe don't point it out at all).

That said, I am truly sorry that you won't get to experience music or sex or observing the budding of a flower on psychedelics.

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I have schizoaffective disorder. If I smoke pot, I go crazy (psychotic and paranoid) If I take acid, I have a great time

Don't know about mushrooms yet, I hope they still work with the combination of medications I'm on.

Try it, you might have a great experience, or find out that you should never do mushrooms again. Then again, it might not work for you.

LSD shouldn't work for me because of my medications, but it does for whatever reason. Everybody's different.

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A high dose of an atypical anti psychotic, two kinds of anti anxiety meds, an anticonvulsant, and an antidepressant.

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I'm astounded over and over by the intellectual display in your posts.

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Ahmarri I believe is a lady.  None the less he/she isn't worth arguing with.
Because meditation can lead to out of body experiences and be just as bad as dosing psychadelics. Oh and having a meltdown and ending up homeless isn't bad. Oh and keeping a job and having a social life and serious relationships and possibly a family arent good either. Well that's what I've picked up from ahmcarris posts in this thread.      has the op responded to all of the terrible advice in this thread yet?

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I have schizoaffective disorder. If I smoke pot, I go crazy (psychotic and paranoid) If I take acid, I have a great time

Don't know about mushrooms yet, I hope they still work with the combination of medications I'm on.

Try it, you might have a great experience, or find out that you should never do mushrooms again. Then again, it might not work for you.

LSD shouldn't work for me because of my medications, but it does for whatever reason. Everybody's different.

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A high dose of an atypical anti psychotic, two kinds of anti anxiety meds, an anticonvulsant, and an antidepressant.

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are you a zombie yet?

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Zeusophobia said:
I'm on Zyprexa and Abilify. Zyprexa is an anti psychotic, I think it somehow effects my seratonin, Abilify is an anti-depressant. I'm not depressed, it's just that Abilify maximizes the effects of the Zyprexa without giving me the nasty side effects of a large dose of Zyprexa.

I'd be willing to waste money on "it might not do anything" but at the same time, I don't want to mess around with my meds in order to get it to work. I would literally have to stop taking them for 3 weeks to get them out of my system and cold turkeying Zyprexa is a death wish.

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I didnt read the rest of the thread but I'm gonna jump in here anyway...Abilify is an antipsychotic-with reports of seizures when mixed with LSD.  Mushrooms are the same type of agonist I'm pretty sure so DONT do it.

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I really don't feel like explaining myself. The one's who know what I meant will understand.

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OH FUCK YOU!

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I'm astounded over and over by the intellectual display in your posts.

Bravo, good sir.

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Ahmarri I believe is a lady.  None the less he/she isn't worth arguing with.
Because meditation can lead to out of body experiences and be just as bad as dosing psychadelics. Oh and having a meltdown and ending up homeless isn't bad. Oh and keeping a job and having a social life and serious relationships and possibly a family arent good either. Well that's what I've picked up from ahmcarris posts in this thread.      has the op responded to all of the terrible advice in this thread yet?

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