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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God
    #13990303 - 02/19/11 02:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

So humans have created much greater than themselves intellectually: Deep Blue (chess), Blue Gene (gene sequencer), Snowie (backgammon) and now - Watson.

We have created machines that are stronger, faster, more accurate, and will last longer than a human lifespan.

So if we can create greater than we are, then God must also be able to create greater than himself; therefore he is way punier than we are.

Think about it.


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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #13990336 - 02/19/11 02:44 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

...therefore he is way punier than we are.
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Like in between everything...??


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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #13990343 - 02/19/11 02:46 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If God created something greater than himself then God could then become greater than his creation thus going into an infinite loop.
Since he knew how he created the being, as you said.


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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #13990347 - 02/19/11 02:47 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Trebek: This omniscient, omnipresent being has remained at the forefront of philosophical and theological thought and discussion since the earliest written records.

Watson: What is God?

Trebek: Yes Watson, what is God?

Watson: *explodes*


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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: WScott]
    #13990398 - 02/19/11 02:59 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

:lol:

Not sure how infinity can top infinity though....


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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: giza]
    #13990421 - 02/19/11 03:02 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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giza said:
If God created something greater than himself then God could then become greater than his creation thus going into an infinite loop.
Since he knew how he created the being, as you said.




But maybe he's not biologically designed to attain our greatness.


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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #13990432 - 02/19/11 03:06 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Think about it.



What if there is no god:shrug:


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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #13990443 - 02/19/11 03:08 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

What I meant by infinite loop is..
God creates 1st greater being
God becomes greater than 1st being
God creates 2nd greater being
God becomes greater than 2nd being..
and so on..

Maybe I shouldn't have said loop?


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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #13990445 - 02/19/11 03:09 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Then god doesn't exist?


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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #13990456 - 02/19/11 03:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Are we talkin like the monotheistic, there's-a-little-man-up-in-the-heavens-in-a-robe-controlling-the-universe-kind-of-god? Cuz that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.


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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: learningtofly]
    #13990472 - 02/19/11 03:14 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I think we're talking as if the Creator is named God.


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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: giza]
    #13990522 - 02/19/11 03:23 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

If god were puny that created us than maybe god were/was the first living organisms:shrug:


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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #13990615 - 02/19/11 03:40 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Aren't all these machines just a tool that makes humans even better at something specific? They aren't really intellectually superior. They are like helmet and pads for a football player... no real use or function unless we put it there.

Not that I fully believe in a 'God,' but we could possibly be a tool in order to help god do something better than god could have before. So yes in that sense we might be better than god at whatever specific function he created us for. And then we create tools to help us, which in turn helps god and then our tools could create tools and so forth.


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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #13999144 - 02/21/11 12:41 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: Middleman]
    #13999439 - 02/21/11 02:25 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Who says watson is smarter?

I guess it depends on how you define intelligence,
if you say intelligence is remebering facts, an
encyclopedia is smarter than us all. Watson is just
a search engine with sentence structure analysis, the
intelligence comes from us.

Machines are capable of performing tasks we design them
to do. Would it make sense to use your fist to push in a
nail? Hammers perform a task otherwise impossible. That is all
computers are, tools for executing thought, "wheels for our mind".

I don't think the relationship between man and machine is
comparable to man and god. That's like comparing a paintbrush
to a painting.


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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: mushiepussy]
    #13999534 - 02/21/11 03:17 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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Watson is just
a...




Your trivialization means nothing at all and demonstrates an amazing lack of comprehension. Watson is the culmination of thousands of years of human innovation.

"Chess is the supreme test of human intelligence! No machine could ever beat a grandmaster at chess."

Deep blue wins. Pundits claim "Deep Blue is just a glorified brute force search engine, but if a machine could win at Jeopardy..."

Watson wins. Pundits claim "Watson is just a search engine on steroids, but if only a machine could..."

:blah:


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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: mushiepussy]
    #14000525 - 02/21/11 10:49 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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mushiepussy said:
Who says watson is smarter?

I guess it depends on how you define intelligence,
if you say intelligence is remebering facts, an
encyclopedia is smarter than us all. Watson is just
a search engine with sentence structure analysis, the
intelligence comes from us.

Machines are capable of performing tasks we design them
to do. Would it make sense to use your fist to push in a
nail? Hammers perform a task otherwise impossible. That is all
computers are, tools for executing thought, "wheels for our mind".

I don't think the relationship between man and machine is
comparable to man and god. That's like comparing a paintbrush
to a painting.





God? :lol:  There's no evidence for a god. A computer would never make such an error in logic. Computer wins.


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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: Icelander]
    #14000748 - 02/21/11 11:29 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe...an "aware" computer would still know it was "created".


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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: Cups]
    #14000758 - 02/21/11 11:30 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

maybe an "aware" computer wouldn't know it was "created"


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Re: A thought about Watson - Jeopardy champion, and God [Re: learningtofly]
    #14000761 - 02/21/11 11:31 AM (12 years, 11 months ago)

lol


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