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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
but i like to muse myself by speculating with those cases that science fails to explain.

For example?


ill give you the same i gave icelander in the pm.


fails to explain .. or doesn't bother to explain.
mainly.. the cases which are - unexplained (for whatever reason)
and i will try to stick strictly to what i have understood to be factual

1.Crop Circles - Testing on the crops , in numerous occasions show the effects of radiation.

2.Ley lines & Pyramids - Russian pyramid Research
They basically built several pyramids on these locations where it was speculated that it could get energetic charge

These were the results

- Immune system of organisms increased upon exposure in the pyramid  (Leukocyte composition of the blood increased). Also increased regeneration of tissues)

 
- Agricultural seeds placed in the pyramid for 1-5 days showed a 30-100% increase in yield

 
- Russian Military radar (locator) spotted an energy column rising several miles high in the sky above the 22m Lake Seliger pyramid.  Several months after this pyramid was built, the Ozone layer improved in the atmosphere in Russia.

 
-Areas near the pyramids seem to have diminished seIsmic activity.  Instead of one large powerful earthquake occurring, there are hundreds of tiny ones.  Also violent weather seems to decrease in the area of the pyramids.

 
-Pyramid complex was built in an oil field in Southern Russia (Bashkiria).  The oil became lighter (less viscous) by 30% and the yield of the oil wells increased.  These results were confirmed by (Gubkin) Moscow Academy of Oil and Gas.

 
-Newborns were given solutions that had been placed in the pyramid and their health indexes increased greatly.

 
-Experiments with about 5000 people in jails in Russia showed that in a few months most crimes almost disappeared and behavior was much improved.  This was attributed to the salt and pepper added to their food which had been placed beforehand in the Pyramid.

 
-The potency of pharmaceuticals increased with decreasing side effects.

 
- There is an increase in survival of cellular tissue infected by viruses and bacteria  – The pyramids decrease the strength of various viruses and bacteria.

 
-When radioactive waste is placed inside the pyramids, there is a decrease in their level of radioactivity

 
-Spontaneous charging of capacitors  (leyden jaw on top and energy source?)

 
-Changes in superconductivity temperature thresholds and properties of semiconductors and carbon materials.

 
- Ordinary water does not freeze even at 40 degrees below zero and retains its properties for years.

 
-Synthesized diamonds turn out harder and purer.

This research was carried out by the Russian National Academy of Sciences which includes:  the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences,  Institute of Theoretical and Experimental Biophysics,  Graphite Scientific Research Institute, and the Institute of Physics in Ukraine.


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: Icelander]
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Icelander said:
You could?


Yup.


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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: jivJaN]
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Someone has been spending way too much time on ATS. :nono:

Which of that nonsense are you certain enough to wager money on?


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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: Lakefingers] * 1
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Lakefingers said:
emeraldlife88 said:
I agree, mysticism is just as valid as science. Why? Simple. We will never ever really know what started it "all." I mean, the beginning of the beginning of the beginning. We will just never know. It is beyond our wildest understandings. Therefore. how can we rule out a scientific explanation of it all, and how can we rule out a mystic explanation of it all? We cannot, therefore both end up as good as each other.


:braindamage:


you can always use that smilie for discrediting someone without words but... do you really ahve an explanation or what! :confused:

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: akira_akuma]
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emeraldlife seems to confuse what science is and what an explanation is.  The explanation for the cause of 'at the beginning of the beginning' is not scientific or mystical, it simply is.  Science is a method of inquiry into that, it may or may not be successful.  Mysticism is a method of thinking up the answer and knowing it to be true without any external check.

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: ModusPwnd]
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bla bla... all i hear about is how one thing is right and the other is wrong. what is wrong with mysticism? if nothing is wrong with science... then nothing is wrong with either.

i happen to think both can be like poison shit cakes.

eat up...

i laugh at all these possibilities... i hate to partake in them though... but it can't be helped. i need to know certain things just as i need to put stuff out there so i don't just tell you to fuck right off, with ones pedantic pragmatic bullshit.

it's all good when there is understanding but understand that both either or are all shit comparably. unless you can have the wisdom to know the difference; which if you consider facts of either or, you probably don't. cause both are proper inherently and have their own problems and solutions in them both.

yeah, just my opinion.

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: akira_akuma] * 1
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Its too easy for one who claims to be open minded to project a facade of equality onto subjects.  In some cases things just arnt equal.

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: ModusPwnd]
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nothin is equal.

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
nothin is equal.


I wouldn't go that far, but at least we can agree that mysticism and science do not have the same validity.  After all, if they did they would be equally valid.

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: ModusPwnd]
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i mean, nothing is the only thing that's equal.

:jimcarreysplit:

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: Diploid] * 1
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Diploid said:
but i like to muse myself by speculating with those cases that science fails to explain.

For example?



For me there are two great mysteries

1. Matter.

2. Consciousness.


Why and how these things exist pretty much blows my mind. I find it very strange that people feel the need to believe irrational mysteries when there are rational mysteries right before our eyes.

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: Freedom]
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for you there are two... for others there are more or less... but they are all irrevocably interconnected to the same point.

what is that point to you? matter? or consciousness?

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: ModusPwnd]
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ModusPwnd said:
  Mysticism is a method of thinking up the answer and knowing it to be true without any external check.


No it's not.

Quote:
Mysticism (from the Greek μυστικός, mystikos, an initiate of a mystery religion)[1]  is the pursuit of communion with, identity with, or conscious awareness  of an ultimate reality, divinity, spiritual truth, or God through direct experience, intuition, instinct or insight.


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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: Sir Francis Bacon]
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scientifically explain 'a silly dance'


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dripping with fantasy

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: quinn]
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quinn said:
scientifically explain 'a silly dance'


Why?

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: Sir Francis Bacon]
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Sir Francis Bacon said:
ModusPwnd said:
  Mysticism is a method of thinking up the answer and knowing it to be true without any external check.


No it's not.

Quote:
Mysticism (from the Greek μυστικός, mystikos, an initiate of a mystery religion)[1]  is the pursuit of communion with, identity with, or conscious awareness  of an ultimate reality, divinity, spiritual truth, or God through direct experience, intuition, instinct or insight.



Your quote seems to substantiate my claim, even though it doesnt have the negative connotation I put to it.  Seeking a conscious awareness of an ultimate reality using intuition, instinct or insight is thinking up the answer and knowing it to be true without any external check.

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: Icelander]
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the fire yogi of tanjore


go ahead....explain


if you guys would care to explain a few of these to me, I'd be in debt to you for convincing me my wonder was foolish.

http://www.ooparts.us/

oh yea, can any of you explain some of the more common cryptids?

for some reason i don't believe millions of people in our own culture who report sightings, as well as most ancient culture, would have any reason to be lying about creatures they KNOW to exist.



you know, you all bash the religious and the mystical, but you're all just as bad with your science.

you're all a bunch of hypocrites...


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vi veri veniversum vivus vici

What she said :
"I smoke 'cos I'm hoping for an
Early death
AND I NEED TO CLING TO SOMETHING !"

Edited by desert father (07/20/10 09:35 AM)

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: ModusPwnd]
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ModusPwnd said:
Sir Francis Bacon said:
ModusPwnd said:
  Mysticism is a method of thinking up the answer and knowing it to be true without any external check.


No it's not.

Quote:
Mysticism (from the Greek μυστικός, mystikos, an initiate of a mystery religion)[1]  is the pursuit of communion with, identity with, or conscious awareness  of an ultimate reality, divinity, spiritual truth, or God through direct experience, intuition, instinct or insight.



Your quote seems to substantiate my claim, even though it doesnt have the negative connotation I put to it.  Seeking a conscious awareness of an ultimate reality using intuition, instinct or insight is thinking up the answer and knowing it to be true without any external check.


Not really

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: Sir Francis Bacon]
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Really brah, it is.

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: ModusPwnd]
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I guess so, since you think you are the expert.

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