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Re: A Question For Mystic Heads [Re: Diploid]
#5493756 - 04/08/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Again, her adds clearly state on the bottom, for entertainment only.
You have not shown any evidence that people who call her hot-line are not doing so for entertainment only either.
You sound like a lawyer squirming around with technicalities rather than a seeker of Truth.
No need to squirm and I am a truth seeker. The facts and truth of Ms Cleos indictment are clear in black and white. She comitted billing fraud plain and simple. The information on it is easy for all to find. I searched for the truth of the matter and accepted it. You are still in denial of it believing what you want to beleive.
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Ms. Cleo's psychic powers failed to see the cops coming to arrest her. Funny that, eh?
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Re: A Question For Mystic Heads [Re: Cherk]
#5493769 - 04/08/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I awoke the next morning to discover that the art was no longer.
Lots of my baby teeth vanished in the night and were replaced by a dollar, but I don't believe the Tooth Fairy did it.
There are a million rational explanations for where your art went. Why pick the most highly unlikely one over the others?
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Re: A Question For Mystic Heads [Re: Diploid]
#5493780 - 04/08/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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It would be funny if she ever claimed to have legitimate psychic abilities. All of her advertisement ads ran the disclaimer of entertainment only. 
From what I remember reading, the phone companies reimbursed everyone who made complaints about over charges.
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Re: A Question For Mystic Heads [Re: Diploid]
#5493781 - 04/08/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Because I know. My parents did not take it, nor did my sister. No one else lives in our house.
p.s it is not unlikely, it happened for a reason. The event has proven to be a big piece of my spiritual development.
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It would be funny if she ever claimed to have legitimate psychic abilities. All of her advertisement ads ran the disclaimer of entertainment only.
Yeah, and the Magic Mushroom spores sold by the Shroomery's sponsors are for microscopy educational purposes only.
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Re: A Question For Mystic Heads [Re: Cherk]
#5493805 - 04/08/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Smoker For Peace said: Because I know. My parents did not take it, nor did my sister. No one else lives in our house.
p.s it is not unlikely, it happened for a reason. The event has proven to be a big piece of my spiritual development.
I am just curious, are you keeping yourself open to other possibilities or are you simply accepting it as the way it is? I see no problem with your idea of where it went as it helped in your spiritual quest. But can you admit, that there might be another explanation?
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Re: A Question For Mystic Heads [Re: Quoiyaien]
#5493820 - 04/08/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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There are other explantions, but they are not true.
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Re: A Question For Mystic Heads [Re: Diploid]
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It is still hard for us to distinguish between 'valuable' mysticism and dismissible or dangerous mysticism. That is, because there is much subjectivity in 'what is valuable' for oneself. But I, for my perspective, split it like that:
about 25% dangerous bullshit, to rip off and misuse people about 50% what will serve the one and is for no value for the other about 25% what is real value for everyone, or proved occurrence (things which make their way into the 'objectively proved humanoid realm' )
That says, we should have to clear up the question you imposed, that all mysticism is false. That is (of course) not so, and I truly dishonor those people, too, who make mysticism as incredible itself, by intentionally ripping off people with lies, or make use of them in some selfish dishonest ways.
But to not see the truth embedded in the whole, is like cleaning all rubbish away, overseeing the sparkling diamond in it. The goal is, to find the diamond inside the rubbish.
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Re: A Question For Mystic Heads [Re: Cherk]
#5493836 - 04/08/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Smoker For Peace said: There are other explantions, but they are not true.
Cheers 
I admire your conviction 
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Re: A Question For Mystic Heads [Re: Cherk]
#5493846 - 04/08/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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what happened was a rat dragged it off and ate it - sorry
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Re: A Question For Mystic Heads [Re: Diploid]
#5493848 - 04/08/06 05:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Diploid said: I never said they were. I asked them to reach out and imagine being presented with that evidence, then state their reaction. It's a hypothetical question.
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Diploid said: I'm unwilling to acquire a perspective that is rooted in fantasy.
Its a question that relies on the imagination of a mind to fantasize about a possible situation that is not actually occuring. Based on your own statements, it is not a perspective that one should form, as it is founded in fantasy.
It might be a hypothetical situation, but it is also an extremely vauge question that can be directed towards anything. Imagine irrefutable evidence being presented to you that demonstrates that logic itself is baseless fantasy that is not grounded in reality. Same difference. I stand by my statement that is probably more of a provocation than anything else.
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Are you aware that such questions are a basic tool of philosophical discussion?
Hypothetical questions? Sure, but not without detailed context. Imagine that God materialized and kicked your dog. Is God behaving in a moral matter?
Imagine the philosophical musings that spring forth! 
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Then why hasn't any mystic head so far in this thread simply said that? Why all the twisting and contorting rather than a straight-up direct answer?
Which mystic heads are these? Twisting and contorting? I guess a variety of different responses from those who interpret with different perspectives who have employed their imaginations to answer an extremely vauge, undefined question is twisting and contorting, eh?
Do you mean to ask why someone hasn't simply, straight-up, directly replied with the only answer you can accept? You've already constructed your strawman, you might as well burn the fucker down, right?
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I think it's because mystic heads are not intellectually honest. They go with anything that affirms their belief system, and poo-poo anything that doesn't.
Ahhh, I see you found your lighter and that you were quick to follow through. 
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All of her advertisement ads ran the disclaimer of entertainment only.
That is the disclaimer that all "professional" psychics display in their ads - it's there for legal issues. They certainly need to put bread on their table [be it by telling banal guesses or outright lies to strangers] and don't want to be put out of business for false advertising. Similar to how all those "escorts" found in the yellow-pages are "really" just...escorts. 
I also know from personal experiences; from many a chat long ago in AOL [sidenote: I haven't used AOL in years now] chat rooms titled "Psychic chat" or something along those lines, that most people have a rather agnostic mentality in such matters - while some, are total full-blown believers without shadow of doubt. The agnostics are folks who are in doubt of their own mind and ability to know reality, and tentatively seek easy answers via mysticism - more specifically, psychics. Of course, often it is the case that if the psychic tells them what they want or expect to hear, then the more likely they will suspend their rational and critical judgment and blindly accept the mystic's espousements. Conversely, if they don't like or expect what they are hearing, then well, gee, it can't be true, now can it? So evident in their behavior is the common hit-and-miss agnosticism that plagues many people everywhere.
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Re: A Question For Mystic Heads [Re: Cherk]
#5493863 - 04/08/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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There are other explantions, but they are not true.
Bingo!
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Re: A Question For Mystic Heads [Re: Diploid]
#5493883 - 04/08/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ultimately we both come to the same conclusion. You believe one explanation while I believe another. Bingo!
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Re: A Question For Mystic Heads [Re: Cherk]
#5493902 - 04/08/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Ultimately we both come to the same conclusion.
Nope. My beliefs are plastic and change in the face of new information. My 'conclusions' are all of the form: "it seems like this is how it is, subject to revision if I find new information".
From your responses, I can only gather that if tomorrow you find your artwork in a rat hole in the back yard half eaten, you'd bury it and continue to believe anyway.
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Thats all beside the point Dip was trying to make reguarding people still beleiving in Pychics after being proven to have no ability.
Ms Cleo, never answered her own phone lines in the first place. There was nothing to disprove regarding her ability. The fraud she was indicted on commiting was in phone billing.
Of course there are people that beleive they have pyschic abilities and others beleive some people have them.
Thats not what this thread is about.
Its about, would you accept the truth if it was proven to you with concrete evidence, if it meant changing a beleif. Members were asked to go into their imaginations to answer that question to give diploid concrete evidence.
How did you miss that Skorp? Using imagination to get conrete evidence? How did you miss that?

edit- add on to the end.
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Re: A Question For Mystic Heads [Re: Diploid]
#5493957 - 04/08/06 05:55 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Ultimately we both come to the same conclusion.
Nope. My beliefs are plastic and change in the face of new information. My 'conclusions' are all of the form: "it seems like this is how it is, subject to revision if I find new information".
From your responses, I can only gather that if tomorrow you find your artwork in a rat hole in the back yard half eaten, you'd bury it and continue to believe anyway.
But still, you believe one thing while I believe another. The conviction of our beliefs do not change what we currently believe.
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Re: A Question For Mystic Heads [Re: fireworks_god]
#5493960 - 04/08/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Based on your own statements, it is not a perspective that one should form, as it is founded in fantasy.
I didn't ask anyone to accept the hypothetical as truth. I simply asked how they would react if it WAS true. Why is this an invalid question?
Imagine irrefutable evidence being presented to you that demonstrates that logic itself is baseless fantasy that is not grounded in reality
If someone managed to demonstrate that, then I would accept it. How they'd do that without using logic to demonstrate logic is false, I don't know, but not only am I open to the possibility, I would welcome it because it would radically change my world view and make for a very interesting future of contemplation.
Hypothetical questions? Sure, but not without detailed context.
Alright. Well, the way it's supposed to work in philosophical discussion is if I ask a question that is not narrow enough for you to answer simply and directly, you ask me to clarify the points you need narrowed, then you answer the question.
That's not what's happening here. The answers here so far are all some variation of "that evidence cannot exist, not even hypothetically".
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Re: A Question For Mystic Heads [Re: Cherk]
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But still, you believe one thing while I believe another. The conviction of our beliefs do not change what we currently believe.
So, if YOU DID find your artwork tomorrow half-eaten in a rat hole in the back yard, would you stop believing?
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