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is reality external or internal?
    #3244190 - 10/11/04 07:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i think it's a selfish thing to assume the universe (reality) is effected by life (conciusness) rather then life effected by the universe BUT...
lately i've been cultavating the assumption that i am my own GOD and thus reality is what I want it to be (to an extent though)...

now... i have a hard time actualy beliving that physically my preseption of reality can actualy change reality (levitation/telekenesis/telepathy... etc..)
you could argue reality though... but that's not what i mean...

also i think most of you will agree all is one...
and one is everything and infinitly dividable...

so is one from within us or without us?
or maybe it is both and none?


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Re: is reality external or internal? [Re: Simisu]
    #3244234 - 10/11/04 07:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Internal reality is primary, external reality is secondary.



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Re: is reality external or internal? [Re: Simisu]
    #3244238 - 10/11/04 07:42 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

There is no separation between internal and external.


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Re: is reality external or internal? [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #3244240 - 10/11/04 07:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

External reality = zero. Any difference from this is caused by the subjective filtering of internal realities. Or so my internal reality believes...


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Re: is reality external or internal? [Re: trendal]
    #3244502 - 10/11/04 08:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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There is no separation between internal and external.



right on!
we are looking at two aspects of the same thing.
when does hot become cold?


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Re: is reality external or internal? [Re: Simisu]
    #3244548 - 10/11/04 08:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

True Reality in internal, immaterial, formless, and non-dualist. Unreality is externalized, material, form, and duality.


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Re: is reality external or internal? [Re: trendal]
    #3244842 - 10/11/04 10:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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trendal said:
There is no separation between internal and external.




:thumbup:

simisu,

Did you read that link I posted on the osilating sphere double sided mirror stuff? If not, I'll post it again here. It helps to understand this.


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Re: is reality external or internal? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3244930 - 10/11/04 10:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.kathymcmahon.utvinternet.com/tree/inside-out-universe.htm

Here it is. This site gives a neat take on the internal external understanding. It's well worth the read. I love the stuff about how the mirrored reflection turns things inside out demonstrated with the glove.

Use that to help you with the internal external stuff works.


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Re: is reality external or internal? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3244952 - 10/11/04 10:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

my theory is that 'reality' is simply an infinite well of potentiality, the tao, the everflowing fountain. Each concious mind, every person, channels that fountain in their own unique way, they take that well of potentiality and form it into their own individual reality.

So, in that sense, all reality is internal, in that everything we percieve is the result of that well flowing through us and being shaped by us, yet its origin is external, initially.

Its like we are all within the dream of the universal dreamer, but part of his creation was to imbue us all with the ability to dream our own dreams inside his dream...

whooo...


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Re: is reality external or internal? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3244956 - 10/11/04 10:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i don't know


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Re: is reality external or internal? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3245024 - 10/11/04 10:50 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

uh, my own take is there is a hyper huge external reality. since you're singular and the whole brain thing you have to have an internal reality to be able to break it down and move around and shit like that. you can leave holes in your internal reality, but you don't have to. the holes are where external reality seeps through, then gets processed.

i don't see where anyone could get off saying reality is internal.


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Re: is reality external or internal? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3245028 - 10/11/04 10:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

gasp! :smile:



That article is interesting jiggy, but the whole ideas of mirrors being reversers is kind of... wrong. I mean, it makes much more sense that light photons reflect off of the surface, making it a "window" into a reversed viewpoint. The left/right "flipping" is not flipping at all, rather aligning the relefctions of light.


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Re: is reality external or internal? [Re: deff]
    #3245058 - 10/11/04 10:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds like another way of looking at it to me. Whatever works for understanding. You know understnadings of this nature can also be added to, it never ends. Neat you added the aligning of light reflections.

You should expansiate on that. I'm interested.

I was staring at that flip box cubed sphere flashing thing on the site for a while and and thinking about it all and woooooooooweeeeeeeeeeeee cool things started happening, that pulsing and spins and G forces stuff I said I experienced.

What if it is flipping so fast, that we only experience it as being streamlined?

Cough up def!


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Re: is reality external or internal? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3245196 - 10/11/04 11:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Heh, I'm too tired to try and make a long post. :frown:

Very interesting topic though, and I'll add my thoughts tomorrow :smile:

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Re: is reality external or internal? [Re: deff]
    #3245972 - 10/12/04 02:16 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Reality itself is external.
Internally we interprete reality.


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Re: is reality external or internal? [Re: trendal]
    #3246117 - 10/12/04 03:27 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

There is no separation between internal and external.

Heh, there isn't? Everything that people believe is totally valid and matches external reality perfectly? Try again.


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syllogistic thinking fails to embrace totality [Re: Swami] * 1
    #3246442 - 10/12/04 08:21 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

when the questions get too big, like "reality - internal or external",
piece-wise logic fails to operate well.

I mean, you could say
"if everything thus, then everything so"
somehow communicating the conditioned totality of the universe in each side of the statement, but it doesn't mean a lot, discursively thinking.

but inner and outer are inseparable and mutually conditioned in the way that a moebius strip has only one face and only one edge - when followed the track seems to run on inside and outside without ever crossing the barrier.

something to marvel at continuously, both simple and complex.

not much you can grab and stick in your lunchbag, but more than an banquet for the poet.

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Re: is reality external or internal? [Re: Swami]
    #3246458 - 10/12/04 08:30 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i think that conciusness is what saparates the two...
jiggy i was reading that artical and it had a lot to do with what i was thinking... though i have to say i didn't finish the whole thing and i kinda skimmed through it...
it was saying something about how reality is a membrane betwine two parts... that's kinda like life (internal external with the conciusness to make it that... i dont think a tree knows it's saparate from the reality does it?)

the image of an hour glass to describe life is very powerfull in that sense becouse an hour glass IS a figure 8....... posibilety are little grains of sand going from future to past through the now (where all the glass membrane of the hour glass comes out of to wrap posibilety and in assense is actualy our personal equation)

i was thinking about choices we make when we're just going about but when we're meditating or sleeping we make no choices we stand still and then we kind of SEE all posibilety we see the eqation of our own life...
we are a singularity like the universe which is off balance... and we settle back when we die... we are energy, a fractal (on a membrane) which will form a sort of bubble and then when we die the process is inverted (like a figure 8) and we become dark matter... and so on untill everything will reach a singularity again?


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Re: is reality external or internal? [Re: Swami]
    #3246468 - 10/12/04 08:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
There is no separation between internal and external.

Heh, there isn't? Everything that people believe is totally valid and matches external reality perfectly? Try again.




Now where did I say that external equals internal reality? :smirk:

Because that's not what I was saying at all. I think human consciousness is a product of this universe, of this "reality", thus it (human consciousness) is a part of "external reality". There is no true separation between the two. Your consciousness is not "separate" from the rest of the Universe.

I think of it more as an extension of external reality.

Unless, of course, you happen to think that we humans are somehow not of this universe...


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Re: is reality external or internal? [Re: trendal]
    #3246507 - 10/12/04 09:14 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

neither,.. it is both! :P


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