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Diploid
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Re: Mysticism And The Chase

[Re: dr0mni]
#5103105 - 12/24/05 10:40 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

You reserve "mystical" as a title for all phenomena or beliefs that are illogical and stupid

No, let me be crystal clear about this.

I call mystical a phenomenon that cannot be observed, in the open, in broad daylight, and in conditions where an optical illusion or the well known propensity of humans to deceive themselves, especially when they desperately want something to be true, cannot interfere.

In other words, if you say you can do telekinesis, but you are utterly unable to demonstrate it, that is mystical. You cannot do it no matter how well you've convinced yourself that you can for if you could, you would be able to demonstrate it.

By settling for a purely physical explaination of the phenomena

You just aren't getting me.

THE PHENOMENA HAS NEVER BEEN DEMONSTRATED.

I'm not looking for a physical explanation of a mystical event because there IS NO EVENT! Nobody can perform telekinesis or telepathy, so there can be no physical explanation because there is no observable phenomena to explain. Why is this so hard for you to get?

Is it so wrong of me to ask to see something for myself before believing it exists? Would you buy the Brooklyn Bridge from me without having first seen the deed?

I have had mystical experiances and have met people who have had extremely similar experiances. This is EVIDENCE to me that I am not the only one experiencing these things and that they are ACTUAL phenomena

If you cannot produce observable evidence, then it is only evidence that you share a common brain topology with these other people and so also share similar delusions.

Why, if these things are so common that you, your friends, and countless others all experience these things, is it so that not one single person can produce the phenomena in the crucible of truth; in broad daylight and controlled conditions where no self-deception is possible? Why is that?

You say that the sensation of leaving ones body is an illusion caused by neurological activity. Will you also agree then that the sensation of being INSIDE one's body is also an illusion caused by neurological activity?

Of course. The Angular Gyrus is the region of the brain that gives rise to the sensation of being inside your head. This is why a disturbance of its normal function leads to OOBEs.

If you claimed that you can travel inside your mind, how could you prove it to me?

You're off on an irrelevancy.

I don't deny that you experience [fill in the blank]. I say that, since your experience has exactly zero observable effects on anything outside your own thoughts, it has zero, influence, meaning, or significance in the real world outside your head.

There's a big difference between me saying that I dreamed I played golf with God and claiming to find the levitating golf ball we used under my pillow the next morning. Nobody can deny my dream, but anyone with the tiniest ability to think critically can deny the existence of the levitating golf ball (that is unless I can produce it, which mystics NEVER do).

Get it straight.

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Edited by Diploid (12/25/05 03:46 PM)

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