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Mysticism is as valid as science.
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Here's the proof.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RQjQvxtmK8A/TEHUWtFLnyI/AAAAAAAADKo/HXKgvNxHk7A/s1600/Woo+Tablev0.9.png


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: Icelander]
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of course most of it is just retarded  but i like to muse myself by speculating with those cases that science fails to explain.


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All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional.
They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively.
I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life  and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal.
If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: jivJaN]
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Oh I agree! PM me when you find one.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: Icelander] * 1
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What's science but another experience? Do you trust that experience? Why? You've been conditioned to. It's more scientific to reject scientific explanations and believe your own experience, because it's a more immediate subjective experience. Science is just another subjective experience - experience of the left frontal lobe.

You might say: your assumption is that everything is subjective. I would say your assumption is just that everything is not.


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My solitude...
My shield...
My armour...

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: jivJaN]
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but i like to muse myself by speculating with those cases that science fails to explain.

For example?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: Diploid]
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I agree, mysticism is just as valid as science. Why? Simple. We will never ever really know what started it "all." I mean, the beginning of the beginning of the beginning. We will just never know. It is beyond our wildest understandings. Therefore. how can we rule out a scientific explanation of it all, and how can we rule out a mystic explanation of it all? We cannot, therefore both end up as good as each other.

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
but i like to muse myself by speculating with those cases that science fails to explain.

For example?


There is plenty that science cant explain.  But of course that doesn't mean that mysticism has been able to pick up the slack at all.

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: ModusPwnd]
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ModusPwnd said:
Diploid said:
but i like to muse myself by speculating with those cases that science fails to explain.

For example?


There is plenty that science cant explain.


What? Substantiante your claim or post here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/82.


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Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. 

"Chat your fraff
Chat your fraff
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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: Grapefruit]
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If science could explain everything then there wouldnt be scientists.  I dont need to post to you what scientists are researching, you can look that up easily man.

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: ModusPwnd]
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True, I was thinking in the mystical sense but you are correct.


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Little left in the way of energy; or the way of love, yet happy to entertain myself playing mental games with the rest of you freaks until the rivers run backwards. 

"Chat your fraff
Chat your fraff
Just chat your fraff
Chat your fraff"

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: Grapefruit]
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Im pretty cynical towards mysticism.  Scientific philosophy has built a mountain of knowledge and wisdom over the ages.  Mysticism is just a dog chasing its tail, going nowhere, covering no real ground.

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: ModusPwnd]
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There is plenty that science cant explain.  But of course that doesn't mean that mysticism has been able to pick up the slack at all.

You're right of course. But usually when someone here says "science can't explain it", they're referring to some flavor of magic: telepathy, clairvoyance, remote viewing, telekinesis, UFOs, Bigfoot, and assorted other balony.

My point being that those things haven't been demonstrated in a scientifically rigorous setting (read: a setting where cheating and self-deception can't happen) and so there's nothing for science to explain.

Now, the day someone actually demonstrates any of those things in a rigorous setting, believe me that every scientist in the world and their mothers too will be looking for how to explain it.

Until then, asking science to explain telepathy is like asking for it to explain unicorns. You have to produce one first.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: emeraldlife88]
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emeraldlife88 said:
I agree, mysticism is just as valid as science. Why? Simple. We will never ever really know what started it "all." I mean, the beginning of the beginning of the beginning. We will just never know. It is beyond our wildest understandings. Therefore. how can we rule out a scientific explanation of it all, and how can we rule out a mystic explanation of it all? We cannot, therefore both end up as good as each other.


No, mysticism or any other belief system that doesn't test its claims is not valid in any way.

Why? Simple. The only reason a claim isn't testable is that it has no effect on the outcome of an event. And if it has no affect on the outcome of an event, it really doesn't matter whether or not it's true.

Take God, for example. Whether or not he's up there, people in the world are experiencing suffering that's only alleviated if other people do something about it. You could say God is working through those people, but there's no way to show that he is, and those people could just as easily have made up their own minds to help others. So what does it really matter if God is working through them or not?

Or, how about this? I drop a ball, and it falls due to the force of gravity. You could say that gravity was designed by God, or Cthulhu, or some omnipotent head of lettuce. But there's no way to show whether or not it was, and you can show that the ball fell due to gravity, so what does it matter whether or not the force of gravity was designed?


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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: NetDiver]
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True dat.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: NetDiver]
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Mysticism isn't a belief system.

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: Sir Francis Bacon]
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Really?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: Sir Francis Bacon]
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Sir Francis Bacon said:
Mysticism isn't a belief system.


You could say it is the belief in ones own awareness.


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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: WScott]
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It is fuel for the randi mutual masturbation society.

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Re: Mysticism is as valid as science. [Re: WScott]
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You could?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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