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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Reincarnation
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Where the fuck's the evidence? :undecided:


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Poid]
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Your thread:
What's the point? :undecided:


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Reincarnation [Re: MushroomTrip]
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I want to know why some people believe in reincarnation, especially since there isn't any proof for it.


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Poid]
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Good luck then.


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:bunny::bunnyhug:
All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
:bunnyhug: :yinyang2:

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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Poid]
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Define reincarnation?


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Kickle]
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Jeebus Christos, why must we endlessly engage in meaningless debate?


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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.

-Icelander-

I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~

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Re: Reincarnation [Re: dill705]
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You've got something better to do?
Something that actually means... something?

I'm all ears.


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Kickle]
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:drgonz:


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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.

-Icelander-

I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~

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Re: Reincarnation [Re: MushroomTrip]
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MushroomTrip said:
Your thread:
What's the point? :undecided:



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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.

-Icelander-

I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~

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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
I want to know why some people believe in reincarnation, especially since there isn't any proof for it.


What kind of proof are you looking for? With regards to epistemology, there could obviously only be suggestive evidence of anything that deals with such metaphysical concepts as reincarnation. Even so, I think you would have to be more specific with what you mean about reincarnation because like the term god, it is a word in the lexicon that has so many definitions/descriptions attached to it that it has all but lost its meaning.

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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
I want to know why some people believe in reincarnation, especially since there isn't any proof for it.


Many people believe in things for which they have little or no evidence. Have you heard of organized religion?

Most of these believers cite faith as their reason, which by definition (as I understand it) is belief without evidence.

I understand the desire to hold faith-based beliefs, although I don't agree with it. Uncertainty is frightening, and few things are less certain that death. Thus, even if there is no evidence to support it, people are typically comforted by clinging to a belief which provides for existence after death.


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: NickSoapdish]
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Icelander-Lite?


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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matter cannot be created or destroyed is the best evidence i can find.


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If you're frightened of dying and  you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.

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Re: Reincarnation [Re: JackofSpades]
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Huh?


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: JackofSpades]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
Icelander-Lite?


I'd prefer an ale or a stout if you got it :beer:


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_mass



its pretty common knowledge


i mean if we are just energy/matter..then we will be reincarnated into everything else around us


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If you're frightened of dying and  you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth.

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Re: Reincarnation [Re: JackofSpades]
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Yes, but you are taking "we" as something different than the normal meaning. Most people identify with their ego, not their physical constituents as you are implying.

I personally think it's much better that my psyche will die, but the molecules and atoms in my body will go on the great procession of nature as we know it here on Earth. I love the fact that I will help to continue life, albeit in much different forms than I currently do. :awesome:


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My advice is to find those things that give pleasure and do them often without too much attachment and relax and wait for the show to end.

-Icelander-

I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

~dill705~

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Re: Reincarnation [Re: dill705]
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Poid you are the reincarnation of ET Jesus.


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We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars.

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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Poid]
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Poid said:
I want to know why some people believe in reincarnation, especially since there isn't any proof for it.


It think most people believe it due to intuition, to them it just makes some sort of sense.

Some people are never taught about reincarnation but when really bad/good stuff happens to them they just feel 'i musta done something in a past life to deserve this'

Some beings also understand the mechanics of existence through meditation rather than physical science, in meditation you can see how emptiness comes into form, maintains its form from one form to another, until it exaughsts its expression & resolves back into itself, this is experientially felt & seen.
Its like understanding how nothing becomes something.
And of course theres no proof of 'nothing', because its not a thing
Its understanding whats life is without picking up a book.

:peace:


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Re: Reincarnation [Re: Chronic7]
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Kickle said:
Define reincarnation?

Reincarnation is a phenomenon wherein an individual becomes born again in a new body after their previous body died.



Aeneas said:
With regards to epistemology, there could obviously only be suggestive evidence of anything that deals with such metaphysical concepts as reincarnation.

Can you please provide that evidence?



Aeneas said:
Even so, I think you would have to be more specific with what you mean about reincarnation because like the term god, it is a word in the lexicon that has so many definitions/descriptions attached to it that it has all but lost its meaning.

Reincarnation, put basically, is beig born again in a new body.



JackofSpades said:
i mean if we are just energy/matter..then we will be reincarnated into everything else around us

Not everything else around us is alive, and what I think people believe is that the "I" gets reincarnated, not necessarily the particular atoms which comprised their previous body.



Mr. Cypher said:
Poid you are the reincarnation of ET Jesus.

Or the pre-incarnation. :wink:



Chronic777 said:
Poid said:
I want to know why some people believe in reincarnation, especially since there isn't any proof for it.


It think most people believe it due to intuition, to them it just makes some sort of sense.

Back in high school, I used to "intuitively feel" that this girl I had a crush on liked me back. It made total sense in my head, but it just wasn't true in reality. :shrug:



Chronic777 said:
Some people are never taught about reincarnation but when really bad/good stuff happens to them they just feel 'i musta done something in a past life to deserve this'

Again, feelings aren't always accurate--I'd be willing to bet that they are many times quite inaccurate.



Chronic777 said:
Some beings also understand the mechanics of existence through meditation rather than physical science, in meditation you can see how emptiness comes into form, maintains its form from one form to another, until it exaughsts its expression & resolves back into itself, this is experientially felt & seen.

Kind of a vague concept that you've brought up there, and it still doesn't show how reincarnation is real.



Chronic777 said:
Its like understanding how nothing becomes something.

Nothing, by definition, never becomes something.



Chronic777 said:
And of course theres no proof of 'nothing', because its not a thing

I'll agree with that, there's no proof that "nothingness" (i.e.- non-existence) exists.



Chronic777 said:
Its understanding whats life is without picking up a book.

Sure, but if it's so well understood, why can't it be explained well?


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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. --  Bob Dylan
fireworks_god said:
It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.

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