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Another Nazi-USA Article
    #1201469 - 01/08/03 05:02 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Have a P.A.T.R.I.O.T.I.C. day...it's can be sooooo hard to admit it sometimes...



In Nazi Germany at this time of year, people freely shopped in large department stores for gifts for family and friends. The streets were full of traffic. It was "business as usual" for most of the citizens. While in the colonial states conquered by the Nazis, and in the concentrations camps for Jews, gays and communists, life was a living nightmare of dehumanization and human-rights violations.

In the United States today, people freely shop in large department stores for gifts, and the streets are full of traffic. While in our most recent victim states of Afghanistan, Iraq under murderous sanctions, Argentina after engineering its economic collapse, and Colombia under U.S. military aid for repression, life is a living nightmare of dehumanization and human-rights violations.

But what once separated the United States from Nazi Germany was the protection of civil liberties for American citizens. People of Germany had no rights and did not care. Those few who did care were so terrified of their government that they did not dare to speak out. Those who did speak out were declared "enemy agents" and sent to concentration camps.



Today, people of the United States have given up their rights through the "Patriot Act," the "Homeland Security Act" and the Pentagon's new system of "Total Information Awareness." The astonishing thing about this "land of the free" is that most Americans now have no effective rights and do not care.

As long as they are free to shop in department stores and have traffic in the streets (with automobiles burning oil stolen from dying Iraqi children), they do not care. And to a greater degree every day, those few who do care about our liberties and rights are too terrified of our government to speak out.

The so-called "Patriot Act" expanded our government's secret search and wiretapping powers enormously. It empowered racial profiling as a recognized police practice and allowed broad sweeps of people of Middle Eastern or Asian origin. It effectively abolished immigrants' rights, allowing noncitizens to be held in secret locations on secret "evidence," without right to an attorney, for as long as the government wishes.

The government now has the power to enter your home or your computer and secretly record whatever they find without ever having to notify you. They do not even have to obtain a warrant from a publicly accountable judge showing reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed.

Wisconsin Democratic Sen. Russ Feingold spoke the following words from the Senate floor on Oct. 11, 2001, when he was the only senator to vote against Attorney General John Ashcroft's USA Patriot Act: "There is no doubt that if we lived in a police state, it would be easier to catch terrorists. If we lived in a country where police were allowed to search your home at any time for any reason; if we lived in a country where the government is entitled to open your mail, eavesdrop on your phone conversations, or intercept your e-mail communications; if we lived in a country where people could be held in jail indefinitely based on what they write or think, or based on mere suspicion that they are up to no good, the government would probably discover more terrorists or would-be terrorists! But that wouldn't be a country in which we would want to live."

But today, it has gotten worse with the passage of the Homeland Security Act. Notice that these titles, "Patriot" and "Homeland," sound very much like the language of the Nazis. A common slogan of the Nazi regime was "the highest freedom is a noble slavery of the heart." People are free, the slogan meant, when they have enslaved their hearts to the "homeland" in absolute obedience to their government. "Deutschland, Deckhand, uber alles!" they shouted. Blind loyalty, patriotism, and emotion must triumph over liberty, reason and sound judgment.

Under the U.S. Homeland Security Act (our rights again given away freely by a bipartisan Congress), 22 U.S. agencies are combined in order to achieve "total information awareness" on every American citizen. The government will soon be amassing a file on every American that includes every magazine subscription, credit card purchase, Web site visit, medical record, library record, bank deposit or withdrawals, every airline purchase, as well as judicial, divorce records, and so on. This will be recorded in a central data base, not by a publicly accountable authority, but by the Pentagon, which already operates in total secrecy from the American public.

Government intimidation for political reasons is real and it has begun. Our government already is using its secret data bases to harass Americans. Political activists checking in at airports at the airline desk have had their names come up from a secret government list as "flight risks." They and their luggage have been supersearched to the point where they are made to miss their flights, and then released to fly. Obviously if they were really "flight risks," they would not be allowed to fly.

Attorneys have found that their attorney-client privilege has all but disappeared. The government has even placed hidden cameras in prisons to record attorney discussions with their clients. The government has begun harassing people maintaining Web sites they consider politically objectionable.

The Justice Department announced a plan to use its newfound power to designate U.S. citizens as "enemy combatants" to place such people in concentration camps. Declaring them "enemy combatants" would strip them of their constitutional rights, their access to the courts and allow the government to indefinitely hold them without trial.

This is identical in purpose to some of the Nazi concentration camps.

Do we citizens care at all about the future of our children or the plight of the millions of citizens in this country of Arab descent, or those who nonviolently oppose government policy? We have repeated for so long the slogan "it can't happen here." But the darkness and terror of totalitarianism is coming rapidly.

Do we have the courage and integrity to speak out now, before it is too late? Or will we continue to freely shop in our large department stores for gifts for family and friends - as they did in Nazi Germany.

GLEN T. MARTIN is professor of philosophy and religious studies at Radford University.

Reprinted from The Roanoke Times:
O.T.I.C. day...


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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1201835 - 01/08/03 06:48 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Today, people of the United States have given up their rights through the "Patriot Act," the "Homeland Security Act" and the Pentagon's new system of "Total Information Awareness." The astonishing thing about this "land of the free" is that most Americans now have no effective rights and do not care.

What rights have americans lost, exactly? Last time I checked you can work if you want, go to school if you want, sit at home and do nothing if you want, and go anywhere in the country you want.

The government now has the power to enter your home or your computer and secretly record whatever they find without ever having to notify you. They do not even have to obtain a warrant from a publicly accountable judge showing reasonable suspicion that a crime is being committed.

As long as you are not a member of a terrorist organization and are not actively running a website to recruit and organize people in order to commit an act of terrorism, then you probably don't have anything to worry about. I'm also pretty sure that they would still have to get a search warrant unless they have probable cause(ie they believe you have someone hostage or are in the middle of committing a crime) and would still have to show that there was probable cause.

(with automobiles burning oil stolen from dying Iraqi children),

There seems to be alot of people that think that our sanctions are "killing innocent people and forcing them to live in subhuman conditions". Maybe this is true but I have some questions for those who think that. How is it that there is still money for Saddam to have over a dozen palaces? How is it that there is money for the government to issue every Iraqi citizen a gun? How is it that there is still money to fund a military? There seems to be no shortage of money for all these things but yet no money to feed the people. Now, would that be due to our sanctions or gross mismanagement of the Iraqi economy by their brilliant leader?  :confused:


 


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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: htownkid28]
    #1201936 - 01/08/03 07:27 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

As long as you are not a member of a terrorist organization and are not actively running a website to recruit and organize people in order to commit an act of terrorism, then you probably don't have anything to worry about.



What is a terrorist? If history is any indication, the definition will turn out to be sufficiently elastic that at some point anyone who criticizes the current regime might be considered to be fomenting terrorist sympathies and be classified among the group of 'enemy combatants.' Already we have seen that drug users (which would include most members of The Shroomery) have been put on notice that their actions support terrorism. The battle lines are being drawn, we must not let our inclinations towards the concept that our government 'means well' blind us to the fact that we are headed down a slippery slope towards a police state and the total abrogation of the principals upon which our country was founded.


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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: Evolving]
    #1202012 - 01/08/03 07:48 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

What is a terrorist?

ok, let me rephrase it. as long as you are not obviously engaging in some sort of illegal activity(ie trying to purchase weapons grade plutonium, trying to hack into and corrupt government servers, soliciting money to fund criminal activities, etc.) then you should have nothing to worry about. just because you post on the shroomery doesn't mean you should be in fear of the government hacking into your computer, reading your emails to your friends and relatives, and busting down your door and hauling you off to camp x-ray. unless you're a towelhead, of course.  :wink: 


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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: htownkid28]
    #1202056 - 01/08/03 08:15 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Please examine the following image,
Notice some of the descriptions...
- defenders of US Constitution against federal government and the UN
- Groups of individuals engaged in para-military training (AKA: some friends out shooting their rifles)
- No drivers license
- Refuse to identify themselves
- Request authority for stop
- Make numerous references to US Constitution
- Attempt to "police the police"
- Lone Individuals

and the other side of the flyer...


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.


Edited by Evolving (01/09/03 05:02 AM)


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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: htownkid28]
    #1202768 - 01/09/03 03:43 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

There seems to be no shortage of money for all these things but yet no money to feed the people. Now, would that be due to our sanctions or gross mismanagement of the Iraqi economy by their brilliant leader?






Would be nice n easy to believe that wouldnt it? Unfortunately facts dont back this up. Consider this quote from Anupama Rao Singh, Unicef's senior representative in Iraq:
Quote:

In 1989, the literacy rate was 95%; and 93% of the population had free access to modern health facilities. Iraq had reached a stage where the basic indicators we use to measure the overall well-being of human beings, including children, were some of the best in the world. Now it is among the bottom 20%. In 10 years, child mortality has gone from one of the lowest in the world, to the highest.





These are the direct affects of sanctions. I suppose Unicef are lying commies or something.

Well consider this from Denis Halliday(Former Assistant Secretary General of the United Nations) quoted from an interview with Z magazine:

Quote:

Of the $20 billion that has been provided through the oil-for-food programme, about a third, or $7 billion, has been spent on UN 'expenses', reparations to Kuwait and assorted compensation claims. That leaves $13 billion available to the Iraqi government. If you divide that figure by the population of Iraq, which is 22 million, it leave some $190 per head of population per year over 3 years - that is pitifully inadequate.





Now I know Sadaam hasnt dropped his own standard of living but, be honest, in a similar situation do you really believe the Bush family would do any different? The point is that before the start of sanctions and the last gulf war Iraq were doing just fine under Sadaams leadership.


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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: htownkid28]
    #1202887 - 01/09/03 04:44 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

unless you're a towelhead




:shocked:

Ok everyone, he said the "T" word.

Let's all begin our mantra:

Racist racist racist racist racist racist racist 


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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: Evolving]
    #1202895 - 01/09/03 04:51 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Pretty frightening E.

Watch out for those "Super Patriots". They are an evil bunch to be sure.

You seem to like quotes so here's a good one for your collection if you haven't heard it before:

"In the beginning of a change, the patriot is a scarce man, brave, hated, and scorned. When his cause succeeds however, the timid join him, for then it costs nothing to be a patriot." Mark Twain


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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1202898 - 01/09/03 04:52 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

They also have the right to throw 'Enemy combatons" in concentration camps now!



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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: ]
    #1203107 - 01/09/03 06:47 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Ok everyone, he said the "T" word.

Let's all begin our mantra:

Racist racist racist racist racist racist racist 


Whats you're problem, do you not agree, geeze, I  hate all these PC people, he has a right to say that, and you lefties are making me sick. :tongue: :wink:


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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: Skikid16]
    #1203122 - 01/09/03 06:52 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

ROTFLMAO........barf :tongue:


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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: Skikid16]
    #1203213 - 01/09/03 07:20 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

It would seem you missed the joke.


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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: Skikid16]
    #1203267 - 01/09/03 07:46 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

name calling doesnt really achieve much does it?


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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1203287 - 01/09/03 07:53 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Excellent article Carbonhoots...

I think that this is a very crucial point in American history, and whether you lean to the left or right is irrelevant. The point is that there is some very scary happenings going on right now and if the population is too blinded by patriotism to see it or too apathetic to fight it...then the population doesn't deserve it's freedom that it fought so hard to keep.


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Edited by Rono (01/09/03 07:54 AM)


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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: carbonhoots]
    #1203699 - 01/09/03 10:16 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)



Edited by Anonymous (01/09/03 12:06 PM)


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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: Anonymous]
    #1203848 - 01/09/03 11:35 AM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Linky no worky...


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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: Rono]
    #1203898 - 01/09/03 12:06 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

My bad, try again.


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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: Evolving]
    #1203972 - 01/09/03 12:35 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Um..............well Im scared! Any of you canadians feel like sponsoring me for citizenship? I gotta get outta here


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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: Evolving]
    #1203973 - 01/09/03 12:35 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

Um..............well Im scared! Any of you canadians feel like sponsoring me for citizenship? I gotta get outta here


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================================================So what's your peace of mind huh? A swiss watch? leasin' a Lex on credit? all the pussy and liquor a nigga can get..put together this puzzle, but my pieces won't fit.. {Ras kass}


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Re: Another Nazi-USA Article [Re: Anonymous]
    #1204017 - 01/09/03 12:51 PM (13 years, 10 months ago)

If you really think about it though, they could get you for anything they want and lock you up without a trial. No search warrant necessary, and this doesn't have to just be used for terrorism. They can claim drug dealers and computer hackers are terrorists too and lock them up under this act.


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