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The Karmic Wheel
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Alright gurus, riddle me this
If the Buddha stopped the karmic wheel in meditation,
is the karmic wheel:
A) Thoughts
B) Actions
C) Thoughts and Actions
D) None of the above


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

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Re: The Karmic Wheel [Re: Kickle]
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I'd say self imposed through thought. (A)

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Re: The Karmic Wheel [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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A, for sure?
How do you rule out that karma also responds to actions?


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Re: The Karmic Wheel [Re: Kickle]
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Not for sure.

Well all action at its foundation is proceeded by thought, whether the thought is intentional or not. You can have thought without action, but can you have action without thought?

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Re: The Karmic Wheel [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Good question...
I can only respond with another question, a question based on the ideas I have been exposed to about behavior. That antecedents (events that come before a behavior, an example being thoughts, and then consequences, the events that come after a behavior. These could very well be thoughts once more. Taking morality as an example, you think "should I do this?" then you act, your consequence is guilt. That guilt will likely reinforce that behavior in a negative way. You are less likely to engage in a behavior that causes you guilt -- unless you problem solve the feelings of guilt. Trace them to their roots and find out where it stems from. Then, by changing that, you can change the reinforcement of certain behaviors.


Now, as you read that, how can you untangle whether the behavior caused the thought (guilt -> I need to stop) or the thought caused the behavior (This guilt deal sucks -> problem solving behaviors)?


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Re: The Karmic Wheel [Re: Kickle]
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I'm not sure if I can untangle it, but I still see the thought being an antecedent as well as a mechanism to perceive the action, as well as a facilitator of any after effects (in the form of memory). Without our thoughts we are nothing. Without our thoughts, we are everything. :wink:

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Re: The Karmic Wheel [Re: Kickle]
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I would have to say C. Due to the fact some things that I think I know I shouldn't act on because it would be extremly bad karma. Most things that I do and think hopefully have good karma attached to them but one can never be sure.


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Re: The Karmic Wheel [Re: Kickle]
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E


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: The Karmic Wheel [Re: Lion]
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Flat or sharp?


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Re: The Karmic Wheel [Re: Kickle]
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That's a tough one :hippie: :jamming:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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Re: The Karmic Wheel [Re: Kickle]
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Do you remember the past-lives of all the molecules in your body?
A single "chain" of past-lives is highly unlikely, I would imagine
something more like, you are from the Tao and return to the Tao.

Remember, Science preaches the Big Bang,
that means all matter was once so dense and highly connected
- we are literally all one being.


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Salvia Divinorum | Cacti & Succulents

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Re: The Karmic Wheel [Re: ShantiSadhu]
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Is that a D response?


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Re: The Karmic Wheel [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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c0sm0nautt said:
Without our thoughts we are nothing. Without our thoughts, we are everything.


Does that mean the karmic wheel ceases to hold power over you when it becomes a part of you?
Or that it loses power when you realize that karma never came anywhere but from yourself?


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Why shouldn't the truth be stranger than fiction?
Fiction, after all, has to make sense. -- Mark Twain

Edited by Kickle (01/18/10 09:46 PM)

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Re: The Karmic Wheel [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said:
Or that it loses power when you realize that karma never came anywhere but from yourself?


Indeed. I get this idea from Bashar - that Karma is self-imposed.

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Re: The Karmic Wheel [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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The question for me then becomes: Why?
What function does it serve? Certainly we don't impose it on ourselves for no reason.


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Re: The Karmic Wheel [Re: Kickle]
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It seems to be some function of the ego. Perhaps the belief of cause and effect is ingrained in the human psyche?

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