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DoctorJ


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Jesus Lived for you
#5612211 - 05/10/06 11:06 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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The other day, I saw a sign on a church that said: "Jesus was crucified and rose again for you."
I believe this as well, but I also believe that there was more to it than that.
Do you think that Jesus wanted to be here, or that he enjoyed being here? Jesus was born in Heaven. He has free run of the entire universe, including Heaven, Hell, and God's original creation. Believe me, earth was no vacation for him. Every second he was here, he was in agony, because the nature of this place is highly separated from the spirit. Jesus is primarily a spiritual being, and physical incarnation does not suit him. Also, he didn't like having to hang out with a bunch of assholes who he knew ahead of time were gonna string him up on the cross.
think about it.
Jesus lived for you. His death isn't nearly as important as his life.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: DoctorJ]
#5612233 - 05/10/06 11:12 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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Jesus set an example of what man could become. He was only separated from the Kingdom of Heaven in the same sense that we all are. However, unlike most of us, he came to realize the Kingdom of Heaven within himself, and taught us all about it. It was because he understood his true nature(which is our true nature as well) that he was willing to go to the cross for his teachings.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: Silversoul]
#5612246 - 05/10/06 11:16 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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What I find funny is how the first thing people remember when they hear the word Jesus is his most painfull moment of life: crusifiction, and they even use that as a symbol of their religion.
It's like using a tiny model of an electric chair for your religion.
Why not simply have a statue of a living Jesus as a symbol
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exactly.
you think Jesus liked to eat?
you think that's air you're breathing?
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: DoctorJ]
#5612303 - 05/10/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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"The Sage sets his heart upon the substance, not the husk.
Truly, he prefers what is within, to what is without."
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OldWoodSpecter said: What I find funny is how the first thing people remember when they hear the word Jesus is his most painfull moment of life: crusifiction, and they even use that as a symbol of their religion.
It's like using a tiny model of an electric chair for your religion.
Why not simply have a statue of a living Jesus as a symbol
The symbolism of a violent death on the cross is not completely void of substance. Jacob Boheme (a German Christian mystic) believed it was not a literal event required to save humanity, but a symbol of God's Love for humanity, a God who was willing bear intense suffering and pain (both emotional and physical) in the flesh. Although this follows along the belief that Jesus was the Logos of God visiting the material world. I personally regard Jesus merely as an Awakened individual, like anyone else, who was so immersed in the God-reality that people naturally thought of him as God made into flesh.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: Basilides]
#5619140 - 05/11/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am a Catholic and I love this
"Jesus set an example of what man could become. He was only separated from the Kingdom of Heaven in the same sense that we all are. However, unlike most of us, he came to realize the Kingdom of Heaven within himself, and taught us all about it. It was because he understood his true nature(which is our true nature as well) that he was willing to go to the cross for his teachings. "
my thoughts put into words exactly. A man who was so in touch with human nature that he was willing to die for the cause. The kingdom is possible in all of us, it is not a mystical place in the sky. Jesus knew that but the only way the people at that time understood was through metaphor, the most common way of teaching and story telling at the time.
The symbol of Jesus on the cross is so important because it reminds us how far he went to do what he KNEW was right for humanity. He wanted to change the way people thought all over the globe and did not back down from his teachings. This is why it is important rather than just a picture of a man preaching.
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Oh, the crucifixion is riddled with signifigance and meaning. Another word they use in religious teachings is the atonement. Which basically means reconsiliation of God with humanity brought about by the redemptive life and death of Jesus.
I've never been personally convinced that it should have happened though, his execution. I often wonder what would have become of things, of society had he lived to share the message more, been accepted and acknowledged for his divine nature.
You know, it seems as if alot of authors often write of the sorrow Jesus must have been experiencing before the persecution, yet knowing that it must be done in accordance to fufill the ressurection and ultimate transformation, the true genuinity of his life and teachings. It was also an indicator of the evil and tyrany of the government (sanhedrin + Romans) who would convict an innocent and loved man to death. Its significant of the political stronghold that he did not fear and sought to liberate the people from.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: WIZOLZ]
#5620173 - 05/12/06 05:00 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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the death of christ was part of a magical ritual to construct the Christ Consciousness Grid around the Planet Earth.
Jesus performed many powerful acts of magic in his lifetime. The miracles don't even come close to describing his power. The most powerful magic ritual he designed was the Eucharist. Sadly, most churches don't practice this, and most of the ones that do don't do it right. The Episcopalians and the gnostics are the closest I have seen to an accurate Eucharist.
Jesus set many things in place with his magical gifts. He established the foundations for a lot of things to come, magically speaking.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: DoctorJ]
#5620217 - 05/12/06 05:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago) |
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I belive the bible and everything in it is like a symbolic roadmap to the arts of internal alchemy.
I must confess, ive only just recently got round to reading it properly.
Im half way through the old testament, but i read alot of the new testement in primary school.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: Sinbad]
#5794623 - 06/27/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sinbad said: I believe the bible and everything in it is like a symbolic road map to the arts of internal alchemy.
exactly, it is the epitome of ignorance when I hear people say "no way Adam and eve didn't have belly buttons! i don't believe in that shit." people need to take the old testament as symbolism for souls.
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i cannot rule out that JEsus did not have feelings like us all and made choices too, off his own account. seems this is what some of you are doing. He tried to help people through his teachings at times. He performed true miricals, through his unshameful love and understanding of the devinity of all things natural and lovely, God.. He came with a message for all the people, he upturned people tables and told them they had it all wrong. People would not listen. People are excellent at doing what they desire.... People are not so Excellent at doing what god himself Desired us too do. If you were god.and you created this world.. wouldn't you expect the world you'd created and the all the things in it to have a devine nature...Like some do... Im thinking that god set out to get us to beleive in our creator and to trust in his teachings and in Jesus Christ, nothing more than this... A true and wonderous person created to grip us with certainty... Jesus made choices, god gave him that ability, He was wise and he made only wise and good choices it would seem to me..... If we all start cruicifying ourselves, maybe i can make you see im one of gods creations too, Im so convinced of God i'd give up my life to see human kind progress... in saying that i almost wanna be the first man to take his life in the name of god.its almost got to the point where i can say to you would you die on the cross?... however how could i ensure everyone of jesus's legacy by taking my own life. Well I guess history could of got twisted and jesus could of been just someone like me.... maybe i should get on ebay and sell my life for the rest of my family as a sacrifice for The lord ,i could be a first, to help people come to terms with this "impossible concept of god" jesus was in agony at times, but he saw through this, obviously......!...Aren't we all capable of this, making the ultimate sacrifce... If everyones so convinced of god and untimate divinity why cant one of us make the supreme sacrifice too.it would surely help others.....would it not.....???my names far from jesus, but it would be in the name of the lord. So my name... it would be irrelevent. Let love for others be our Guidence system for happyness , nothing else, i say...
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: ]
#5795618 - 06/27/06 11:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You know, it gets really annoying when you keep replying to yourself like that.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: Silversoul]
#5797019 - 06/27/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jesus was here to deliver a very very important message. His whole message was that the exterior world is the manifestation of the interior one, that the "Kingdom of god" is made flesh. Each of you survive death. The man who was crucified knew this beyond all doubt, and he sacrificed nothing. As Christ says we are all drunk and he absolutely right. We have gotten so wrapped up in the false beliefs that we are conditioned into believing that we are blinded (drunk) to the truth that we all are capable of knowing. We are all part of God so we are all gods sons and he is are father. We should all be Christs in the making.
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Madness , exactly, he makes me understand, i can say to my friends and non beleivers, sleepers, that we could all make the same sacrifice once we realise that it is our destiny to help others realise, can't i make people realise that im not scared to die, just as jesus wasn;t, because he and i know gods devinity and that he loves us and would want this of us all especially if one has the potential, surely not just jesus realised this.... we will eventually reach what we are far far from... jesus was man i am man, go figure, i am quite devine in my thoughts, i do not preach i do not want to either, all i want is to make the ultimate sacrifice to make you see mate, and thats the vision of god no one else, so do i go ahead?
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: ]
#5802059 - 06/29/06 03:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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live until you die
but don't be scared to fight for what you believe in
in between life and death
you can make a contribution to the other seekers on the path.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: ]
#5802095 - 06/29/06 03:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Even though I disagree with a lot of what was said here and don't believe in Jesus, I have enjoyed reading your posts.
Was very interesting. Thanks for the read.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: Ngalyod]
#5802227 - 06/29/06 05:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Jesus, im convinced, that because he is one of us, a man... A true man of god in his time, remembered to this day. He had to be way above thoughts of self indulgence to do what he did, it appears he was, he realised gods devine vision within. Rather than to ignore his father, his creator, thinking he new better, as most of us kids do to our own fathers these days, he had respect, he chose to embrace his father, his creator, enlightened with gods own mind and plan and devine understanding and love for him and us all as one. basking in gods devine love for him and making others understand He loved his life and what he saw god had created, he did not understand how MANY people had or could become obsessed with the devils thoughts, and were in much darkness. so he set out and strived to shine in the light of god and beam himself to the world in all is glory, bringing others along to bath in the light of his greatness aswell, however some did not like this as darkness was all they could see, and wanted.........
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