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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: DoctorJ]
#5812746 - 07/02/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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God created humanity but now human beings create God. That is the way of the world - human beings make gods, and worship their creation. It would be more appropriate for the gods to worship human beings haha!
Trust no person who tells you that you are evil or guilty by reason of your nature or your physical existance, or any such dogma. Trust no one who leads you away from the reality of yourself. Do not follow those who tell you that you must do penance in whatever form. Trust instead the spontaneity of your own being and the life that is your own. If you do not like what you are, then examine those beliefs that you have. Bring them out into the open. There is nothing within yourself to fear. Remember your life is yours and you form it.
You are given a gift of the gods. You creat your reality according to your beliefs, yours is the creative energy that makes your world. There are no limitations to the self except those you believe in.
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I create my own reality? Great. I'll create a reality without you or anyone who believes in what you believe. You guys are on your own.
how will you have the power to create God when the God behind you cuts your power? 
you're doomed with that attitude, sweetheart. Time to face the music, honey
and if there is no penance, then anyone you trespass against is free to tresspass against you. Ever consider that?
Anarchy means that if you are free to steal from me, I am free to take whatever revenge I wish upon you for your crime against me. Have you not considered this ramification of your philosophy?
Kill and invite your own death. Steal and be stolen from. Torture others and be tortured yourself. Not you or anyone else is immune from this law.
That is why I choose to help others and not hurt them. That is why I am humble. "Faithlessness on your part entails faithlessness on the part of others."
As long as you exist in a reality alongside other conscious beings, you must coexist with them. By striving with others, you are only hurting yourself, for in truth we are all connected.
The only place you can really do whatever you want is in your mind. Only there are you truly alone and thus free from the influences of other entities. In the outside world, you are nothing but a piece of a greater whole, and you must respect the wishes of others as your own. Trespass against them, and they will trespass against you. You are not above the karmic fracas. By your actions you have firmly entrenched yourself in bad karma, and thus are subject to the discipline of society.
All those bad deeds are going to catch up to you. You cannot escape God's Justice. Even if you die before you are punished, you will be judged in the afterlife.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: dr_gonz]
#5812879 - 07/02/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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He loves and hates you.
you have to realize that there can be no honey without bee stings.
My stepfather hates bees. He always asks God why he created them.
The answer is simple: Though bees sting people, they also pollenate flowers. The also make honey. You can't expect there to be flowers and honey without getting stung by a bee every now and then. Besides, some people deserve to be stung! Perhaps bees also serve as fate's messenger. Maybe getting stung by a bee is God's Justice! "One who is steeped in Virtue is like a new born babe. Wasps and poinsonous serpents do not sting it, nor to fierce beasts or birds of prey maul it."
The universe is a wave. It has an up part and a down part. As conscious entities, we are like surfers riding this wave. The key to not wiping out is Balance.
So, take the good with the bad. Realize that they are both part of the same Whole, which is perfect and balanced as it is. The universe is not imbalanced, only its riders are. One who is imbalanced is doomed to wipe out and be swept away by the vast ocean.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: DoctorJ]
#5812963 - 07/02/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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But the fact of the matter is that I am not guilty of any crime that Christ would toast me for. Thats why I'm unafraid of the Second Coming. I know I've been good.
You really think your "good enough", and this "goodness" merits your salvation. Only sinners are saved, not those who are "good enough". Your doctrine is opposes the truth. How many sins does it take to get toasted for? Just one! So unless you have never sinned ever in your whole life, you are not just with God. Every sin, even one, requires just punishment, which is eternal damnation. God is righteous and hates all sin. Sin is only forgiven by the atonement of Jesus on behalf of those He came to save.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: fivepointer]
#5813009 - 07/02/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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can you please post some more stuff like that? You are making yourself look like a complete jackass, and I find it quite amusing.
I realize now that you are a fool, and my rationality is lost on you. That is why I will not attempt to reason with you, and instead allow you to continue disproving your own case by posting falsehood and contradiction which is obvious to anyone with half a brain.
Eternal Damnation is Just punishment? So If I steal a cookie from a my mother's cookie jar and thats the only thing I do wrong my entire life, then I'm going to Hell for eternity? Is that what you call Justice? Your ideas are so out of whack that they disprove themselves.
You don't know what I think because you haven't even bothered with trying to understand what I have written. So stop accusing me of thoughtcrime. Only God knows what is going on in my mind, not you.
It says in your own bible: "Only those who are as little children will be allowed into Heaven."
You think sinners are saved, but the righteous are damned? How backwards you are! Wishful thinking ain't gonna get you into heaven.
My doctrine does not oppose the Truth, it only opposed what you have fooled yourself into believing. I'm sorry if you don't agree with me. If you would rather live in a society where people are not allowed to express themselves, go back to Russia, commie!
How bout this: You practice your faith, I'll practice mine, and we'll let God and Christ be the judge of who is right.
You pick and choose which parts of the Bible to believe and then call yourself Christian? You close your mind to God's reality, ignoring all perspectives besides the one that suits you, and you think you are save? Good luck with that, buddy. You're gonna need it.
Seriously, keep posting this drivel you call a faith. Nobody here thinks you are right, that's obvious by your ratings. You are merely making your ideas look foolish by posting them here.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: DoctorJ]
#5813033 - 07/02/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Seriously, keep posting this drivel you call a faith. Nobody here thinks you are right, that's obvious by your ratings. You are merely making your ideas look foolish by posting them here.
Truth is not determined by numbers of people who believe something.
I'll take the foolishness of the gospel over your "rational" ideas.
1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: fivepointer]
#5813068 - 07/02/06 05:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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you are only fighting with yourself. The Truth is that you and I both believe in the same thing.
I accept your interpretation of the Gospel. I may not agree with it for myself, but I accept that you are entitled to your opinion. Can you not accept the same of me?
the fact is that only God and Christ know what the correct interpretation of the Gospel is. Neither you nor I can claim to know the ultimate truth.
Everyone who reads the Bible is going to take a completely different interpretation away from it. Only the King and his Son can say: "This person is right and this person is wrong."
I have spent the majority of my life examining the Gospel, and examing myself as well. I believe in both God, Christ, and myself. I practice my beliefs as best I can with my limited understanding and ability.
Only the one true God knows whether I have interpreted and acted correctly. Only he can save me or allow me to perish. I have faith that his Judgement will be just and true, and I will get what I deserve, whatever that may be. If that is eternal damnation, then so be it.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: fivepointer]
#5813135 - 07/02/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Truth is not determined by numbers of people who believe something.
so basically, you think God is on your side, but He's not on the side of anyone that disagrees with you, which is the majority of people.
STFU, fascist
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: DoctorJ]
#5813235 - 07/02/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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As jesus said the true church is invisible. You need to look into your self for the answers. Everyone is capable of knowing the truth but we are blind by are reality we have created.
The Kindom of god is not a future event! It is a state of self discovery. As jesus said,"The kindom is inside you, and it is outide you. When you come to know yourselves , then you will be known, and you will realize that you are the sons of the living Father. But if you will not know yourseves, then you dwell in poverty, and it is you who are that poverty." Then he also says,"What you look foward to has already come, but you do not recognize it. It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'Here it is' or 'There it is.' Rather, the Kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it."
The Kingdom to me is a state of transformed consciousness. There for people who get wraped up in False beliefs and let the world condition them will be blind then to the Kingdom of god. So you could say this world is hell to some people who are taken over by things which they find evil. There for people who "sin" will not experience heaven for they are blind to it or as jesus says "DRUNK".
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some of his translators said...
its easier for a drunkard to enter the kingdom of heaven
than for a rich man to pass through the eye of the needle
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: Schwammel]
#5813300 - 07/02/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Maybe that is just saying that a rich man which is so taken over by false beliefs about money which take over his life and leave him blind to the truth.
And the drunkard who is wasted and doesnt get wraped up in his false beliefs at that moment.
When jesus says drunk he doesn not mean hammered from alcohol hehe.
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the Kingdom of God is spread out all over the Universe! Its not just on Earth! Woul you deny yourself the riches of the heavens by clinging to the Earth? Would you deny yourself the wealth of the Spirit by wallowing in the elemnts which are supposed to be beneath it?
If we choose to wallow in the mires of Earthly pleasures, we will miss our opportunity to explore and exploit the vast wealth of the universe! The Earth and its pleasures are milk. Space exploitation is the meat for dinner. If you keep drinking milk and deny yourself the meat, you will eventually die of malnutrition.
The human race has very little time left. The earth WILL BE destroyed eventually. If we have not made it into outer space by this time, humanity will be destroyed along with the earth.
We are in crisis now! If we do not pass this final test, humanity and the entire planet earth will be destroyed, and God will just shrug and say, "too bad." "Heaven and Earth is not sentimental. It treats all things as straw dogs."
Who gave you the right to declare the game over and won? The game never ends, it is never won. "The price of existence is eternal warfare."
You are too short sighted to see past your own petty desires and biology. You think Earth is the only inhabited planet in the cosmos? I know for a fact that it is not. Human beings are very low on the totem pole of life in the Universe. There are species of beings in space that are so advanced they don't have or require technology. They don't even have or require bodies. They are beings of pure energy and Spirit.
You think earth is the end of the game? How narrow-minded you are! You think of all the trillions of stars in the Universe, our Sun is the only one with a planet capable of supporting life?
You think you uderstand God because you understand the Earth? God is way beyond just earth, or the material elements.
You can come on here and spout your satanist hedonist bullshit all you want, but the fact of the matter is that you are losing your followers, you are losing your power. So keep on talking, you are only making yourself look foolish.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: DoctorJ]
#5813402 - 07/02/06 07:53 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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Take it easy. If you would take the time and not just critisize everyones posts you could actually think about what they are trying to say. I never said anything about the kingdom being strickly here on earth! I was just quoting what jesus said. He was just saying its spead out on the earth not only on the earth. Think about it before freaking out man. And when did i say that earth was the only planet with life? Yes I also believe in life on other planets and they too are sons of God. God has no image. And I could care less if I had any followers because thats whats wrong with people today they are all followers and dont seek the truth by themselves. Would you say Jesus was a follower? Just as jesus says "Have a great number of friends, but not counselors. But if you do acquire a friend do not entrust yourself to him. Entrust yourself to God alone as father and as friend.
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sorry, maybe I'm just misinterpreting you, but when you make vague statements like that you give people justification to behave in a way that is destructive to both themselves, their environment, and their fellow man.
You and I are both on the same side, but I don't think you are truly understanding the logical ramifications of what you say.
I too have had this problem in the past. I have accidentally spread a lot of satanist propaganda by not articulating my ideas as well as I should have. By not articulating them well, I have caused a lot of misinterpretation, which in turn has caused a lot of fucked up shit to happen.
So anyway, my advice is to watch what you say, because people can easily misinterpret your message, twist it around in their minds, and use it as justification to do bad things.
I mean, I know that you don't believe in the concept of 'bad', but I seriously doubt that if YOU were the one being raped, tortured, stolen from, and ultimately killed, I seriously doubt that you would consider this 'good'.
seriuosly, what if someone out there is reading this right now and says to themselves: "Well, this person says that all morality is subjective to our own belief, so I will choose to believe that I am God, and use this belief as justification to torture, rape, steal from, and ultimately kill that person."
Don't let your words invite disaster upon yourself as I have. Someone who chooses to follow the philosophies you espouse could easily turn them against you yourself. Think about that.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: DoctorJ]
#5813533 - 07/02/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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I too have had this problem in the past. I have accidentally spread a lot of satanist propaganda by not articulating my ideas as well as I should have...
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: Schwammel]
#5813817 - 07/02/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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so what? You are speaking with a reformed satanist! When I was a teen and in my early twenties, I rolled with a pack of satanists. We thought we were God, we went around fuckin shit up.
What I learned from this experience is that if you believe there are no rules or consequences for your behavior, something will eventually come along to put you in check. One of your own followers will put a knife to your throat from behind.
"A troll becomes King of the Trolls by assassinating the previous King, thus only the most foolish seek positions of leadership."
The point is simply this: If you take your wealth by force, it is an inevitability that that wealth will be taken from you by force. If you kill, you will be killed.
By lifting the restrictions on your own behavior, you are also lifting the restrictions on others' behavior towards you. Thus self-serving anarchists are always eliminated by their own kind. Only a sefless anarchist is truly protected from the consequences of freedom.
Sure, a person could feasibly do whatever they want. They could conquer the entire world with treachery and force.
But then they would be subject to the fear of never being able to trust anyone, never knowing when an assassin's bullet might strike them down.
Personally I would rather sleep well at night with whjat I have earned, rather than be constantly paranoid about what I have stolen.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: DoctorJ]
#5814597 - 07/03/06 02:34 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said:
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Truth is not determined by numbers of people who believe something.
so basically, you think God is on your side, but He's not on the side of anyone that disagrees with you, which is the majority of people.
STFU, fascist
2+2 is never equal to 5. I don't care if 99.9 % of all people believe that 2+2=5, it simply isn't true. I don't care if 0% of the people on the Shroomery think my doctrine is false, because truth is not dependent on popularity. Do you really think it is constructive to misrepresent and insult those who you disagree with? Your postings are very insulting to others, and not in a good way. If you do not agree with my doctrine, then show me with scripture where I have erred.
If this was a private conversation I would have stopped talking to you a long time ago, seeing that you are dead set in your false doctrines. But since this is a public forum some good may come out of our dialog for others who are reading.
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: fivepointer]
#5814861 - 07/03/06 05:55 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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lol, you're just as rigid in your point of view as those you spoke against. I've given up debating anything with you because all I get is a bunch of Bible versus in return. Not much of a debate if you're just going to quote stuff, regardless what it is
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Re: Jesus Lived for you [Re: DoctorJ]
#5815184 - 07/03/06 09:19 AM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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This thread has been closed.
Reason: DoctorJ, if you want to keep posting in this forum after your ban, you must show respect for other members. More than flaming, what i despise most is lack of understanding and lack of acceptance regarding other people spiritual or religious beliefs. The self-proclaimed rightful bearers of ultimate Truth, belong to the same basket of "false prophets", as the book you read, the bible, tells us so.
This forum does not exist for the sole purpose of protecting believers. But to give people the freedom to express their spiritual and religious beliefs without logical or scientific scrutiny. That doesn't give you the right to step on others spiritual and religious beliefs, much less having the arrogance to pretend you have the right answers to transcendental questions.
Everyone has both their own light and shadow. It's the way we connect to both streams, that makes us either accepting and tolerant, or a prisoner of our own dogmas. I only whish you have walked the path of light for some time, because now, you seem to be walking the other way ...
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