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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: MissShroom]
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sry didnt see your post rr.:banghead: good timing :bow2::bow2:


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: RogerRabbit]
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RogerRabbit said:
Tangich said:
So what this article actually says is that mushrooms grown in the darkness consist of 90% water and 10% psilocin, and that dry mushroom is 100% psilocin? Sorry guys, but that doesn't make one bit of sense. It's against all logic. First of all, they probably wouldn't even pin in the darkness, much less grow. Belive me, I really would like to belive that, but it doesn't make sense to me at all.


The mushrooms were NOT grown in the dark.  We've known for years that the psilocin degrades during drying, and we also know that our indoor mushrooms which are RARELY dried in sunlight are more potent.  This study is addressing natural SUNLIGHT, not our normal indoor lighting.  If you dry a mushroom in the sun and measure psilocin after drying and it weighs .0002 gram, then a 100X increase means there would have been .02 grams of psilocin in the fruit, had it been harvested and dried in the dark.

The abstract didn't say the fruits were 100X more potent, just that there was 100X the amount of psilocin when kept out of sunlight during harvest and drying.  We've known this for decades, just not by how much.  What they tried to do was quantify what people around here have reported since day one.  Apparently the study didn't measure any effect on psilocybin.
RR


Okay, I'm at ease now...
Ofcourse I was exaggerating those percentages, but still, I'm glad to hear I was wrong.
So it's just growing and drying in the sunlight what significantly decreases psilocin content? Or only drying in the sunlight?

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Tangich]
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It's obvious from this thread that members here need some remedial math lessons as much as reading comprehension improvement. 

When you people take a figure like 1%, multiply it by 100 and get 100%, it is the stuff that drives math teachers fucking insane.  When you multiply by a percentage, the product is smaller, not larger.  For example, if you multiply 20% by 5, the answer is not 100, it's 1.
RR


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Tangich]
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thankya kindly for the clarification there RR

Although I do believe there may be a little more to it than that as it doesnt seem to be solely focused on the drying aspect, judging by this quote:

"Therefore, preventing natural light in the harvesting chamber could be considered to have a considerable effect on the content of the psychotropic component of P. cubensis" 
Although, havesting chamber may very well be referring to a drying chamber, yet it mysteriously does not mention any method of drying, since leaving fresh mush in a closed environment would lead to decay.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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Quote:
"Therefore, preventing natural light in the harvesting chamber could be considered to have a considerable effect on the content of the psychotropic component of P. cubensis"


No, I think you're right, it's harvesting chamber, but as RR said, the main thing here is "natural light" or sunlight.
And as far as my math goes, altough I'm actually studying math, I was never really good at percentages, and I was going by average weight content. But never mind, I admit I was wrong.

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Cloneufc]
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Cloneufc said:
Great find. Ive noticed when I use bright light I get better pinsets and more mushrooms. When I dont use light I get fewer mushrooms but they tend to be stronger. I wasent sure if I was just imagining it because there no way to measure potency without lab equipment.
We need some people to try this out. I cant imagine penis envy with an increase in potency. You can have less shrooms but stronger shrooms or you can have more shrooms but weaker shrooms. Sounds like you break even either way.


I find this information to hold true aswell.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: XiC_clone]
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:foreheadslap:

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: stonesun]
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New Research Concludes: All Words Must Start With A Capital Letter! All 27% Of The Alphabets!


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: RogerRabbit]
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RogerRabbit said:
It's obvious from this thread that members here need some remedial math lessons as much as reading comprehension improvement. 

When you people take a figure like 1%, multiply it by 100 and get 100%, it is the stuff that drives math teachers fucking insane.  When you multiply by a percentage, the product is smaller, not larger.  For example, if you multiply 20% by 5, the answer is not 100, it's 1.
RR


OK. Erowid says the weight of actives in shrooms is 0.5-0.9% of its dry weight. Let's say 1 gram of dry shrooms has .5% actives. That is 1g * 0.005 = 0.005 grams of actives.

If you multiply that "100 fold" you get 0.005g * 100 = .5 grams of actives. What's the percent of actives in your high potency shroom? It's .5 grams / 1 grams = 50% of the weight in your super shroom is nothing but actives.

There's something wrong with the wording, math or results in this article because there's really no a way an organism could survive if 50% of its dry weight was psychoactive chemicals unless it's a jellyfish or something.

Edited by sansa (12/17/09 10:12 AM)

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: sansa]
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Quote:
That is 1g * 0.005 = 0.005 grams of actives.

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Breakfast Crew]
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Breakfast Crew said:
Quote:
That is 1g * 0.005 = 0.005 grams of actives.

:confused:


0.005 = 0.5%


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Breakfast Crew]
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Breakfast Crew said:
Quote:
That is 1g * 0.005 = 0.005 grams of actives.

:confused:


If I have 1 * .005 then I have .005.

Edited by sansa (12/17/09 10:09 AM)

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Tangich]
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Tangich said:
100X??? You know what would that mean? You would need just like 3 milligrams to be really trippin! So one average-sized mushroom would be enough for 30 people to trip like crazy! Not possible, IMO. Even if it was only 100% (or 2x) increase in potency, it would still be huge, but that is somewhat more likely...


I would like to go under the assumption you meant 3 grams. Since the increase in psilocin in a dried mushroom wouldn't change the amount of extract for varying doses.

I also saw when reading this thread someone stated that psilocin breaks down into psilocybin which is the exact opposite reaction.

(Edit, too early for me and math)

Edited by Keg (12/17/09 10:34 AM)

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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Quote:
the article does reference "total actives" but psilocin is THE major activ which is then converted to psilocybin in the body after ingestion.


No, other way round.  Psilocybin degrades to psilocin during digestion but is a lot more stable in dried storage, why my original comments.  (edit - Keg beat me to that by seconds!)

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Therefore, preventing natural light in the harvesting chamber could be considered to have a considerable effect on the content of the psychotropic component of P. cubensis and, hence, the psycho activity of the mushroom.


Seems to me it's whether they mean "fruiting chamber" by "harvesting chamber" or no.  Agreed, daylight exposure on/after harvesting (drying) reduces potency.  Also I fully agree that setting fewer pins results in higher potency, I've never seen more actives measured by flush that way though.

I'd like to read the entire article, and I :heart: that they have a "Medicinal Plants and Drugs Research Institute" in Iran. :smile: I'll kick in at least a buck if ya'll PM me. 

Peace
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Edited by PrimalSoup (12/17/09 10:37 AM)

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Keg]
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Keg said:
I thought 0.5 was 0.5% and that 0.005 was equal to 0.005%. Maybe it's a little early for me, but 0.005 is in the thousandths.


.5 is 50%. .05 is 5%, .005 is .5% and is in the thousandths like you said

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: RogerRabbit]
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said: For example, if you multiply 20% by 5, the answer is not 100, it's 1.
RR


But if you convert that 1 back into a percentage, it is 100% no?


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: teesionbear]
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All of these numbers are completely irrelevant.  I think RR is right on this one.  Dry your mushies out of sunlight and you will keep them potent.  Nothing to do with the growing process me thinks.

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: teesionbear]
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teesionbear said:
Quote:
RogerRabbit said: For example, if you multiply 20% by 5, the answer is not 100, it's 1.
RR


But if you convert that 1 back into a percentage, it is 100% no?



omfg
THINK for 1 second before you post PLZ

if you convert 1 back into a percentage, its 1/5=20% (because you have 5 total, NOT 1)

1 is 100% of 1.
1 is 50% of 2.
1 is 33.33% of 3.
1 is 25% of 4
1 is 20% of 5
...
..
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etc

why are so many people disagreeing about a mathematical principle that has been established for 100's if not 1000's of years?
i dont fucking know, but i am damn interested in the full study (ie. a list of variables, a list of constraints, and a list of possible sources of error, as well as the procedure)

PM me and ill chip in $2 from paypal for this article, if only to see whether its a valid and reliable study or if its just some pop-science designed to get trippers all fired up


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: libertaire]
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All you guys that keep Fn up the math are not paying attention.. it does not say it increases ALL actives by 100 fold.. just psilocin. That alone throws a stick in all your mathematical spokes

@PrimalSoup I realized my mix up earlier on but got too carried away trying to teach remedial algebra.. nice catch tho! ill edit that once I get a chance

@Breakfast Crew: Its called a title.. like those things on the fronts of books and the tops of papers (School House Rock taught us to capitalizing all nouns, pronouns, adverbs and adjectives!) Lol my bad.. all that remedial algebra tutoring carried over to english.

Seriously everybody, really appreciate the show of interest in the thread but PLEASE, no more attempts at mathematical deduction until we have the entire paper to look over.. Its beginning to get a whole "Goodwill Hunting 2: Me Likes Numbers" vibe (the direct to DVD kind) and is starting to kill the thread :smile:


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: libertaire]
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Looks like nobody here except me, Doc and the OP wants to read the full article. Though I am sure RR is right, why dont you guys just break your piggy bank and stop arguing? :shrug:


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