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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: LeopardMan]
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:thumbup:

They actually did fruit them in the dark (<10 lux)... However, there is no mention of genetic isolates or multispore inoculation.  So my guess would be they did MS.

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: LeopardMan]
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had to take it down cuz dudes personal info is on every page. :picard:


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: 13shrooms]
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Reading now. Thanks a bunch. I got a print for you if you want it. Shoot me a PM.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: 13shrooms]
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Ok, guys .. there it is ! i hope you enjoy ! Got to bolt! i did my good deed for the day ! PEACE OUT !


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: dancefloordale]
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I guess I'll be trying a few cakes in total darkness next grow....

edit:  By the way, these researchers are from Iran.  Crazy!

Edited by Ubitsa (12/17/09 03:45 PM)

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Ubitsa]
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yeah, me to, I just posted the link. :getstoned:


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: 13shrooms]
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Any first impression? Looks like its not about drying but cultivating in total darkness.


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Edited by LeopardMan (12/17/09 03:51 PM)

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: 13shrooms]
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Well, the chromatography-mass spectrometry figures show a very clear difference between dark, dim, and lighted conditions.  I wish they would have posted the numbers, though. From the figures, I get these values:

figure 3a (dark): 2700000

figure 3b (dim): 150000

figure 3c (light): 300000

But I don't know enough about CR-MS to understand the units of "intensity".  If I ignorantly look at the ratios, I see that they are 18:1 and 9:1 respectively.  Hmmmmm, certainly not "100-fold".

It also does appear that they're talking about growing conditions and not "harvesting" conditions.  They grew one group in the dark (<10 lux), and nother in dim light (<500 lux), and another in normal/bright light (<10,000 lux) for 12 hours a day.

I'll stop for now and see what others are thinking...

Thanks growguru -- I won't forget it.

Peace


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: rooter]
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Thanks growguru!

OK frankly this wasn't a very good test.  There is no mention of species or of cloning for the three test conditions, nor why psilocin was chosen to examine rather than psilocybin.

The gas chromatographs show:
Dark 2.7m psilocin intensity
Dim 2.5m
Light 4m
... assuming the word Psilocin is always centered over the spike.  This doesn't make sense given their conclusion.

I'm not very impressed with their rigor.

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: rooter]
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rooter said:
Thanks growguru!

OK frankly this wasn't a very good test.  There is no mention of species or of cloning for the three test conditions, nor why psilocin was chosen to examine rather than psilocybin.

The gas chromatographs show:
Dark 2.7m psilocin intensity
Dim 2.5m
Light 4m
... assuming the word Psilocin is always centered over the spike.  This doesn't make sense given their conclusion.

I'm not very impressed with their rigor.


rooter -- those are lines (in figs 3b and 3c) that POINT to the little PC bumps much lower down.  See them???

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: NGC6705]
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so if i grow only 1% of the amount of mushrooms i normally would, but that 1% is 100 times more potent than the average, i havent made much progress hehe!

BUT: this could really be great for people with easily troubled stomachs that don't want to extract.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: rooter]
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Ah, indeed.  Zooming in I see you're right.  In that case:
Dark 2.7m psilocin intensity
Dim .15m
Light .35m

In that case a difference of 7.7-fold, from dark to light.

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: Citizen13]
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Yes they are maybe stronger but look at the size of them!


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: LeopardMan]
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LeopardMan said:
Yes they are maybe stronger but look at the size of them!


I know, those things look pathetic. Maybe they are more potent, but a nice flush would vastly outweigh the potency gained (or should I say not lost) of those little buggers. Haven't really READ the article, but skimmed over it so far.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: rooter]
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I guess we can't rely on this ppls.  They failed to control for the very most important aspect, genetics.  They should have at the very least cloned one tissue for all three tests, and the fact that they apparently did not do this obviates all value as they were likely working with different spore myc in the three tests.

Second they chose a bulk medium very poor in nutrition and not native to the species.  They should have used cow manure with a percentage of some aeriating agent such as coir.


I can't take this seriously.

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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: LeopardMan]
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wow im gone for 3 hours to take a final and come back to a mad house hahah! Someone send me a copy.. i earned it for being OP not to mention making several heads implode from fractual computation.. just like the commies did back in the day! :smile:

Dancefloordale man you having a bad day or something or just dont like the cut of my jib?? I was just kidding with ya man.. obviously the internet is singular lol.. shame is by the listing of university electronic databases you have access too I would guess we go to the same university :thumbup:

I knew it had to do with cultivation in darkness


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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I seriously doubt a professional mycologist would submit any testing of fungi based around a multispore crapshot...really??


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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I agree and I would say more: if its MS then this study is irrelevant. It doesn't prove anything even if there are some interesting things in it.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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For novice growers writing a grow log in a foreign language (English) in Iran, I'm impressed. Pretty good start to bigger things.


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Re: Must Read!! New Research Concludes: Cubes Unexposed to Light are 100 Xs more POTENT!! [Re: koopa_troopa]
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koopa_troopa said:
wow im gone for 3 hours to take a final and come back to a mad house hahah! Someone send me a copy.. i earned it for being OP not to mention making several heads implode from fractual computation.. just like the commies did back in the day! :smile:

Dancefloordale man you having a bad day or something or just dont like the cut of my jib?? I was just kidding with ya man.. obviously the internet is singular lol.. shame is by the listing of university electronic databases you have access too I would guess we go to the same university :thumbup:

I knew it had to do with cultivation in darkness


Sorry man, someone teed me off in another thread. No harm?

I've always wondered if another Shroomery member attended the same school, perhaps it is so. :thumbup:


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