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OfflineBlipKorterly
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Potencies in Cubes.......
    #803508 - 08/07/02 09:26 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)


I see some shroomerites write in about the potency of different cubensis strains, but after trying a few different ones--aussie, equador, B+, cambodian, etc--I can't really tell the difference...

So, this is sort of a poll to see if people agree or not--and, if you don't agree that they're all basically close to the same strength, then which do you feel is the most potent?

Peace,
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Offlinekykeon
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Re: Potencies in Cubes....... [Re: BlipKorterly]
    #803547 - 08/07/02 09:49 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

well imho all p.cubensis are the same. differences comes up when we are talking about different species, like tampanesis, azurescens etc

of course, different climate conditions, cultivation teks etc may result in variation of potency which in turn results to a legend which p.cubensis is potent and which is not.

Kykeon
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Re: Potencies in Cubes....... [Re: kykeon]
    #803670 - 08/08/02 12:00 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Well kykeon I`ll say straight out that I`ve deffinately noticed a difference between the Puerto Recans I grew and the B+ Eric grew.
And I`ll say hands-down he knows more than me.
SO in that case the PR is stronger than the B+.
Setting plays no part in this, mind-set yes.
Both instances I was comfortable, happy and tripping wildly.
Except the Puerto recans for one were slower to come one, and they eventually were way more visual and then lasted much longer than the B+.
The PR were visual for longer, +/- 8 hrs or more, all visual.
The B+ were 3 maybe 4 hours with about 1hour with after-glow.

So hands-down I loved the PR.
I still reckon a good phat dose of B+ will be great, possibly a bit overwelming during the come-on.

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Offlinekykeon
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Re: Potencies in Cubes....... [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #803699 - 08/08/02 12:44 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Derrayld wrote: "Well kykeon I`ll say straight out that I`ve deffinately noticed a difference between the Puerto Recans I grew and the B+ Eric grew. .... SO in that case the PR is stronger than the B+."

how do you come in such a conclusion? i am not convinced my friend. different hands produce different mushrooms, but that doesnt mean that strains have differences in potencies.

i dont say that ALL p.cubensis are the same, but we need a scientific proof of that. and this can only be done in one way: ONE shroomer to cultivate some different strains at the SAME time with the SAME tek, on the SAME terrarium and then measure their potency with some method like chromatography.

Well? Anyone offered?

but again the differences, if any, will be very very minor and errors are likely to happen. so we will never know. lets leave that potency issue as a legend!!

Kykeon
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Invisibleutopianglory
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Re: Potencies in Cubes....... *DELETED* [Re: kykeon]
    #803732 - 08/08/02 01:49 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Potencies in Cubes....... [Re: BlipKorterly]
    #803769 - 08/08/02 02:30 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I think the "this strain is stronger" arguments are mostly imagined by people who had stronger trips with mushrooms of a certain strain, and then think "well, it must be because this strain has more psilocybin per gram in it, absolutely, and without doubt!"

There are too many variables, and it's not worth arguing. Well, I guess if you really care, it might be.


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Re: Potencies in Cubes....... [Re: BlipKorterly]
    #803775 - 08/08/02 02:37 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

There is alot of difference between strains.

Try Cambodians.....then try Gulf Coast or Acadian Coast.

You will see the difference.


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Re: Potencies in Cubes....... [Re: utopianglory]
    #803801 - 08/08/02 03:06 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

well okee i may be wrong...
its just that TRIPPING is a MIND THING and i have seen people tripping like mad with medium potency shooms just because someone told them "they re fuckin strong!".

if RoadKill says there is a difference between cambodians and acadians, well maybe he is right. i am not that expert you know. i can feel the difference between copelandia cyanescens and psilocybe cubensis equador, not only in potency but also in qualitative characteristics and i do prefer the latter but i cant feel for sure the difference between equador and golden teacher. For me, each TRIP is different but that because i want to make it different [different issues to solve in my mind, different situation, different supplier or cultivator].

i strongly believe thats very hard to say there is a NOTICEABLE difference for the 100% of all shroom-consumers...

how many people are able to distinguish strains if they are powdered?????

but after all, it is nice to think that each strain is different, isnt it?

Kykeon
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Offlinekaptain_karma
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Re: Potencies in Cubes....... [Re: BlipKorterly]
    #804121 - 08/08/02 07:27 AM (21 years, 8 months ago)

I've only grown one batch of shrooms, but the peurto ricans I grew were way more potent than most mushrooms I've bought.

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Re: Potencies in Cubes....... [Re: kaptain_karma]
    #807533 - 08/09/02 03:38 PM (21 years, 8 months ago)

Just as their are different fruiting, colonisation and others characteristics between cubensis strains, so too is their potency variations between not only strains, but isolates of cubensis...
Proof??
Stamets 1996: 'Stijve and de Meijer (1993) found .15%psilocybin and .50% psilocin in a Mexican strain, and .15%psilocybin and .33% psilocin in an Amazonian strain [of cubensis]'


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