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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: Ferris]
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It is a link to an NPR interview that you can fucking play for yourself.  N.P.R.


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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: Simplicitry]
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Simplicitry said:
Prisoner#1 said:
Simplicitry said:
Statistically speaking Muslims are over-whelmingly responsible for current day terrorist attacks. To argue that is futile.


are they?

we need to define what current day really means because there were none
today, if we're referring to modern day terrorists attacks we need to
ask what modern day really means as these definitions are important,
should we go as far back as the '93 WTC bombing or should we go further
back to include all the attacks against israel in the 50's-70's

now comes the all important question, what's terrorism and what defines
a terrorist, is it only islamic extremists or would it include any
organizations groups that use fear or violence to push for political change


I will concede one thing to you. I should not have used the term "terrorist" or "terrorism". As these are caught phrases that get abused mostly by people on my side.

I really don't believe we have any terrorist. Just diffent sides of a war. So I apologize for the use of that term.

That being said. You can dig as deeply as you want into the way that I worded something, but I think it's because you would rather not confront my main point.

That point. being that when you look at conflicts that are still going on right now. Almost all of them involve Islam. If you look at attacks against civilian targets. The overwhelming majority come from Jihadis. They can't even stop from killing their own people.

Can you honestly deny that.


Deny what? That their situation is fucked up and as a result they are lashing out? OUR country is partially responsible for putting them there.

And what is this "they"? Who is "they"?

THERE ARE MANY DIFFERENT SECTS IN ISLAM AND MOST DISAGREE WITH EXTREME ACTIONS.

How much larger does the text need to be for you to understand the words man?


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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
really? so if there's so much freedom in the US why cant the gays get
married, why are there laws against sodomy in so many states,



Well first of all the Government doesn't have any place recognizing a religious union like marriage for anyone, not even straight people.

Sodomy laws are not inforced, but that really isn't the point. They should not be on the books.

Second I never said we were perfect, but if your dening the fact that we have more freedom them people in Iran for example then you are out of your mind.

Prisoner#1 said:
why is there such opposition to abortion that fundie christians are blowing people and abortion clinics up and killing the doctors


An individuals opposition to a law doesn't equate to a Government consensus. Women have to right to abortion here. Bottom line.


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Instead, Hasan reportedly harangued the doctors and staff about what the Quran taught about non-believers going to hell, being scalded, beheaded, etc. A Muslim psychiatrist in the audience reportedly challenged him about his interpretation of the Quran


wow... sounds a lot like that burning in the lake of fire, gnashing of
the teeth, wailing, etc.. that the christians are always referring to

Quote:
Something that was linked to in one of the several posts in politics that you locked.  Blinkered much?



clearly this is about religion and not politics as it mentions muslims,
hell, quran, non-believers, etc...


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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
zappaisgod said:
Instead, Hasan reportedly harangued the doctors and staff about what the Quran taught about non-believers going to hell, being scalded, beheaded, etc. A Muslim psychiatrist in the audience reportedly challenged him about his interpretation of the Quran


wow... sounds a lot like that burning in the lake of fire, gnashing of
the teeth, wailing, etc.. that the christians are always referring to


Don't recall anyone actually shooting about that but if they did I would condemn it equally.  Perhaps you have a link?
Quote:
Quote:
Something that was linked to in one of the several posts in politics that you locked.  Blinkered much?



clearly this is about religion and not politics as it mentions muslims,
hell, quran, non-believers, etc...


The politics, as have been pointed out to you numerous times in those very threads you locked, have to do with political correctness and the fear of being prosecuted or sued for discrimination when one becomes overly sensitive to hurting the feelings of murderous scum.  Like this guy.  Killer, Islamist.


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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: Simplicitry]
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Simplicitry said:
Prisoner#1 said:
really? so if there's so much freedom in the US why cant the gays get
married, why are there laws against sodomy in so many states,



Well first of all the Government doesn't have any place recognizing a religious union like marriage for anyone, not even straight people.


then why does a couple go to the courthouse for a marriage license


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Sodomy laws are not inforced, but that really isn't the point. They should not be on the books.


lol... hundreds of cases, in some states they're finally being removed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_law#State_laws_at_time_of_2003_Supreme_Court_decision


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Second I never said we were perfect, but if your dening the fact that we have more freedom them people in Iran for example then you are out of your mind.


have you lived in iran? are you a citizen of iran?

remember, girls in muslim countries dont get educations





it's so odd because they even get to vote



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Prisoner#1 said:
why is there such opposition to abortion that fundie christians are blowing people and abortion clinics up and killing the doctors


An individuals opposition to a law doesn't equate to a Government consensus. Women have to right to abortion here. Bottom line.


so here you are condemning nations based on religion claiming that
they're oppressive especially to women when the majority of this crap is
again by groups an individuals in these 'islamic nations' simple fact of
the matter... you're wrong

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Iran


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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
it's so odd because they even get to vote




if you think the voting they do in iran is legit then you clearly are out of touch with reality.


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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: danielx]
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danielx said:
if you think the voting they do in iran is legit then you clearly are out of touch with reality.


do you think the voting in the US is legit?


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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: danielx]
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danielx said:
Prisoner#1 said:
it's so odd because they even get to vote




if you think the voting they do in iran is legit then you clearly are out of touch with reality.


Oh like the voting games the U.S made blacks engage in just 50 years ago?

Oh that's right, our country is perfect.


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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: Rocker232]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Oh like the voting games the U.S made blacks engage in just 50 years ago?

Oh that's right, our country is perfect.


You're supposed to want to bomb people who are like what we were 50 years ago.  That makes them barbaric.


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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I have spent more time in Muslim countries then I care to even talk about. Anyone can take pictures, and words and try to paint a picture of moderation.

You seem to do exceptionally well at it.

That doesn't change the facts on the ground in those countries. Your propaganda may work on your weak minded friends, but not me.

I've been over there, and I know what it's like. You have it all wrong.

You can keep spreading your lies though, it doesn't matter intellegent people know the real score.


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"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."

I think we should cut all the social parasites from their welfare checks. Then they will either find a means to support themselves or starve to death, either of wich is good for the economy and society.

I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

"Islam in a man is worse then rabies in a dog"

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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: Simplicitry]
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and you can make all kinds of claims you simply cant back up with anything other than "I've spent time in muslim countries"


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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
danielx said:
if you think the voting they do in iran is legit then you clearly are out of touch with reality.


do you think the voting in the US is legit?


Prisoner#1 said:
danielx said:
if you think the voting they do in iran is legit then you clearly are out of touch with reality.


do you think the voting in the US is legit?


not at all. but slightly moreso then Iran. :shrug: My intention was never that america is pefect. I just think its ludicrous the picture you are painting about Iran, when in actuality its really quite the oppressive place to be. The last election and censorship is proof enough.


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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: danielx]
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and why is this not a political discussion again? :confused:


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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: danielx]
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pls, all, out of respect for the one's that lost their families...we all lost again.

Edited by masspan (11/07/09 08:08 PM)

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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: Simplicitry]
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Simplicitry said:
I have spent more time in Muslim countries then I care to even talk about. Anyone can take pictures, and words and try to paint a picture of moderation.

You seem to do exceptionally well at it.

That doesn't change the facts on the ground in those countries. Your propaganda may work on your weak minded friends, but not me.

I've been over there, and I know what it's like. You have it all wrong.

You can keep spreading your lies though, it doesn't matter intellegent people know the real score.


Keep on being ignorant dude :thumbup:


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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: danielx]
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danielx said:
and why is this not a political discussion again? :confused:


because it was a shooting, not an act of terrorism


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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Even if that were so, and I do NOT concede that point, the issue of political correctness and excess sensitivity to group identity issues certainly is.  Several times this guy was judged a dangerous nut log and each time it was ignored by officials afraid to offend.  Now there are dead people who wish they could offend someone.  But they can't.  Because they're dead.  Because of a murdering scum and the politically correct non-offenders who enabled him.  That includes the ACLU.

Are we getting political yet, Pris?  You got several hundred other threads in Politics to lock.


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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
Several times this guy was judged a dangerous nut log and each time it was ignored by officials afraid to offend.


just as many others were for example a former Army paratrooper from
Michigan charged with raping and beating his infant daughter, a sergeant
from Hawaii's National Guard accused of killing his 14-year-old son as
the boy tried to save his pregnant mother from a knife attack by the
soldier. and dozens of others, many of them were not islamic


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Are we getting political yet, Pris?  You got several hundred other threads in Politics to lock.


well it seems you like religious and medical aspects a lot more than
politics in this discussion, well away from the political spectrum


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Re: what happened in Fort Worth? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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sheesh.


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