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Re: killing a dream?it could happen [Re: Phencyclidine]
#1781142 - 08/05/03 09:39 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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deleted worthless negativity and false assumptions. Phencyclidine, a look at my bookself and you'd see how one might get a little defensive. sorry.
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Re: killing a dream?it could happen *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: Phencyclidine]
#1781193 - 08/05/03 10:03 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's amazing how cheap the drug is even at "retail" level
Lets see 10$ a hit for 20 mcgs=50,000 hits/500,000$/gram
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It's amazing how cheap the drug is even at "retail" level.
I am finished with the whole thing, what once was will not be again, and what is to come I'll have no part.
All I will say is it used to be different.................  WR PS good bye my sacred freind,I am so sorry that this is the legacy left.We tried our best while we worked your word and when we became too old and tired we tried to leave it in good hands,WE HAVE FAILED!Now only God can save man as he is destroying the means to save himself.You gave us the tools in nature and when they weren't enough you gave Albert his problem child(Hoffman's Jesus)and now it too has been crucified. Again good bye,you will always be in my heart and soul,and I promise MY children will know of a better time that was. whiterasta
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Re: killing a dream?it could happen *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: whiterasta]
#1781241 - 08/05/03 10:22 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh c'mon guys, you know that's not completely true.
All that is needed is a good and really potent (and large) batch of the happy paper product.
There are plenty of cool youngin's out there that are perfect for this work.
I place the future of this all (Still) in the hands of the elders.
Load up on crystals and fucking drench this nation, otherwise, well basically everything WR is saying will happen.
I place this still in the hands of the older heads; they are the ones up on top that (Still) make this happen.
WR is just thirsty, and with good reason. -Ever since Jerry died the elder people who move the juice fucking died with him i think. And then it tapered off until the night that the clock struck 12 on the year 2000. -I'm telling you people, the world changed a lot on that day.
Keep shroomin WR,
There are still young people out there willing to do the good work, The older peoples vision just fucking died when Jerry did.. 
Keep shroomin, GGreatOne234
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Re: killing a dream?it could happen *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: whiterasta]
#1781326 - 08/05/03 10:57 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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whiterasta said:
I am finished with the whole thing, what once was will not be again, and what is to come I'll have no part.
All I will say is it used to be different.................  WR PS good bye my sacred freind,I am so sorry that this is the legacy left.We tried our best while we worked your word and when we became too old and tired we tried to leave it in good hands,WE HAVE FAILED!Now only God can save man as he is destroying the means to save himself.You gave us the tools in nature and when they weren't enough you gave Albert his problem child(Hoffman's Jesus)and now it too has been crucified. Again good bye,you will always be in my heart and soul,and I promise MY children will know of a better time that was. whiterasta
hmmm. do i hear violins singing requiem for a whiterasta? lol just kidding.
the risks today are so much greater too than they've ever been. can't forget that.
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Re: killing a dream?it could happen *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: tomatoes]
#1781388 - 08/05/03 11:20 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah you are right that the risks are higher, but shit..they really aren't.
The LSD has not changed, and neither have the coppers.
What HAS changed, is that the fucking grateful dead went on tour this year and nobody sent the fucking doses with them!!!!!!!
Now, c'mon now, there are people in control of the crystals and they are still being made; and you just KNOW those people KNOW that we are steaming after this kind of shit happens.
Excuse the language, but the grateful fucking dead didnt bring any doses with them this year and frankly i'm fucking pissed about it.
Keep shroomin, GGreatOne234
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Re: killing a dream?it could happen *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: GGreatOne234]
#1781425 - 08/05/03 11:36 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Old Timers Giving up Faith??? 
I don't know what to say anymore, I am to young to understand all this..... mass confusion coming in....
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Re: killing a dream?it could happen [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#1781439 - 08/05/03 11:44 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Baby_Hitler said: Can you describe the most intense acid trip you've ever had?
I've posted it here before. I do have a long text file copy but all the identifying details are still in it. I thought I had a version that was safe for posting but I can't find it. Anyway, the most intense acid trip I had occured on Friday, December 13, 1996. I took 4 hits of acid. It kicked in hard in under and hour.
I'll make this a short story. Basically, I had a friend with me and I dropped over night. I thought my dad was suspicious (I was only 16), that I was on something. I'd dropped at 11PM. By 1AM I was hallucinating that I could see through walls. Tables were up and jumping around. I kept hearing this really loud metallic thumping noise that kept accelerating and then decelerating. I felt severe anxiety. At 2AM, as I started peaking we went to the park. My friend merely mentioned the police in our conversation. Then on the way home he pointed out someone in a closed store across the street. I began hallucinating and believing that this was a robbery in progress. I clearly saw the man with a gun. It was now daylight (yes, even though it was 2AM). The alarm was ringing loudly. The parking lot was full of cars. People were watching this guy. All of this was a hallucination. I got home and for half an hour I bugged my friend about the robbery and he insisted that it never occcured. At some point he fell asleep and then the robbber was in my house. Suddenly the robber morphed into my friend's body and my friend's jacket had become my dead friend on the floor. I quickly realized this hadn't occured. I keep hallucinating that the police come to my house because I'd witnessed the robbery. I also hallucinate the robber coming to kill me. This was very frightening. Then it hits me that I have to piss, so I go to go downstairs, but I become aware that the robber was in my basement. Then I think that my friend was the robber (remember the earlier hallucination). I wanted to get a baseball bat but I was too afraid to go to the basement. I went upstairs. I was about to knock on my parents bedroom door (by now it's 4AM) and ask them about the robbery that had never occured. Instead, I decide to piss first. While washing my hands I took one look at those huge pupils and realize that none of it had actually occur, that in fact, I'd simply hallucinated everything and imagined it. I was still hallucinating strong. Alice in wonderland type vision. Still had a few full hallucinations (one of which involved two heads playing a card game with each other). The trip lasted about 13 hours.
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Re: killing a dream?it could happen *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: Adom]
#1781452 - 08/05/03 11:49 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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PCP wrote: "IMO, the mysticism behind LSD exists mostly on online forums, which represent the minority of LSD users. "
Now THAT is total bullshit. Although I will say that in my experience with the new generation of kids, fewer and fewer people are seeing the mysticism in LSD unless they are led towards it by an old timer.
But the problem isnt with LSD, its with our culture in general. Nothing is sacred anymore, everything is just a product to be consumed. This goes for music, art, and literature as well.
As far as LSD availability goes, I think it is all a question of brainwashed children not having the balls to set up a lab. LSD is easy for any 2nd or 3rd year organic chemistry student to make. The ingredients are closely watched but they can be extracted from nonwatched chems (eg- petroleum ether from shampoo)
I can tell you this: if LSD availability and prices doesn't improve by the time I'm out of school and makin money, I will personally fund and set up a lab as soon as I have the money to protect it.
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Re: killing a dream?it could happen [Re: tomatoes]
#1781454 - 08/05/03 11:50 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Surely psychedelic inspired art doesn't say much about the relative numbers of people who take psychedelics for spiritual / mystical reasons compared to those who take psychedelic for recreation, because those who take psychedelics just for fun would probably be far less likely to write books and paint pictures about what they consider to be a chemical amusement ride. I typically never defined my own experiences as simply "getting fucked up". "Getting fucked up" represents the exact same thing as "altering consciousness",. "getting high", or "expanding consciousness (with psychedelics", except that using the term "fucked up" is pejorative. Whatever phrase you find appropriate is fine by me. I happen to think that "mind expansion" is terribly pretentious. I think that "fucked up" is far too negative. I think that "tripping" is pretty neutral so I typically used that to describe my experiences. EDIT - There's no need to apologize. Altering the thread would have been just as good. Don't bother demeaning yourself here. It's cool.
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Re: killing a dream?it could happen *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: whiterasta]
#1781467 - 08/05/03 11:53 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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whiterasta said: Lets see 10$ a hit for 20 mcgs=50,000 hits/500,000$/gram
You forgot to factor in potentcy. Express that as units of "dollars / trip / hour" and you'll find LSD is right up there.
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Re: killing a dream?it could happen [Re: Phencyclidine]
#1781471 - 08/05/03 11:54 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's much more than just visuals. re: your trip report.
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Re: killing a dream?it could happen *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: DoctorJ]
#1781675 - 08/05/03 12:47 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: PCP wrote: "IMO, the mysticism behind LSD exists mostly on online forums, which represent the minority of LSD users. " Now THAT is total bullshit.
Like I said, every LSD user I'd met in real life before meeting shroomerites would have laughed at the idea that there was anything mystical about LSD. I've also corresponded with plenty of people online who report the same thing (that they've never met anyone IRL who believes that there's anything mystical to LSD). I can vividly recall three older people I've met who used to use LSD, and none of them did it for mystical reasons. Two of them grew up in the sixties. One said he did it because it was interesting and fun. The other said he did it because it was fun and helped him stay awake during overnight shifts. They both had friends who had used it during the sixties and none of them did it for mystical reasons. Not only have I never met anyone IRL who's thought there's anything mystical about LSD (including people who were using it in the sixties), I've never met anyone IRL who's met anyone who thought there was anything mystical about LSD (not including shroomerites). Everything I've seen leads me to believe that online forums are simply a very unique place. If your experience suggests otherwise, that's fine. It's not bullshit though, my opinion is that it's a minority of people who believe anything mystical is associated with LSD use. Why do you think that the lack of sacred objects has anything to do with consumer culture? I don't believe in things being sacred because I consider science to be the most logical way to interact with my surroundings. Science doesn't address mysticism, nor does it address issues of sacredness, so neither do I. LSD can't be sacred in my eyes, but that has absolutely nothing to do with consumer culture. The fact that LSD is entertainment that can be purchased does have something to do with consumer culture.
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Yes, I know it's more than visuals. When I call a drug a hallucinogen or psychedelic I am referring to a drug that causes hallucinations and sometimes states of mind resembling mental illness.
When I say that LSD is minimal in its mind altering properties, I mean that even when you're hallucinating quite strongly there are other psychedelic drugs that at correspondingly intense levels of hallucinations would alter your thought process far far far more (eg// the anticholinergics and dissociative psychedelics). Thus, someone who's interested in simply hallucinating and wants to minimize the mind altering aspects would stick to LSD, instead of taking datura or PCP.
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Re: killing a dream?it could happen *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: Phencyclidine]
#1781813 - 08/05/03 01:29 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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In your life mabye you havn't met people who believe in the powers of LSD, but its a big world. Hang around in Northern California or Oregon and see who the majority is. Were everywere in certian places. Go to a rainbow gathering and be around tens of thousands of people united by a set of values instilled by the psychedelic experiance. Tens of thousands of us used to travel around the country 4 times a year. I think I somewhat understand your point of view. Your taking the scientific approach to your belief systems. You rely on empirical evidence. Well we don't have scientific journals publishing articles on mystical transformation via LSD. We have scattered ancedotol evidence in the testimony of those involved. You can believe it or not. Those that have been in contact with it and the culture it produces have very strong beliefs about LSD. Those that have read about it or had a few weak experiances are more enclined to be sceptical. I find myself being very skeptical of most information I recieve. I'm not skeptical of LSD at all anymore. I believe in it and always will. I hold LSD to the highest value. I don't think we get another chance. To me it trully is from above. To the skeptic my viewpoints may seem as those of a delusional madman. To me the skeptic appears as a blind man. We all have different points of view and trying to convince each other is futile. It's not even possible to try and describe the experiance with language let alone convince others that it exists. My advice to anybody who wants to find out if LSD is the real deal is to take a couple thousands micrograms in the mountians.
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Re: killing a dream?it could happen [Re: Phencyclidine]
#1781917 - 08/05/03 01:53 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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dude...i have never heard of an acid trip described like that
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Re: killing a dream?it could happen [Re: whiterasta]
#1781935 - 08/05/03 02:00 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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My experience for the silver summer was i had 1 hit of fractal that my friend got from phish...but at 100 mics it wasn't really what i'd consider a trip. I'd need like 3 to trip and that is like 20 bucks for an acid trip. I went to the dead concert and could find every drug but acid. For me acid has pretty much been gone for the last 2+ years..and it has definatly dampened my expectations on LSD's existence and the movement. I have given up. There is only so much time and effort you can put into searching for acid before you realize its dead and not worth the time anymore (i never thought id hear myself say that)
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Re: killing a dream?it could happen *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: chinacat72]
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chinacat72 said: To the skeptic my viewpoints may seem as those of a delusional madman. To me the skeptic appears as a blind man. We all have different points of view and trying to convince each other is futile. It's not even possible to try and describe the experiance with language let alone convince others that it exists.
I thnk that is very well said.
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*Divine Moments of Truth* "Limitless undying love which shines around me like a million suns - it calls me on and on across the universe" ~ John Lennon "Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right" ~The Grateful Dead "Religionists, with their guaranteed eventual paradise, of which they know nothing, taking it all on 'faith,' can't be expected to understand or sympathize with those with a yen to storm the Gate of Heaven and see for themselves what all the praying's about!" ~Robert Hunter
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Re: killing a dream?it could happen *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: chinacat72]
#1782227 - 08/05/03 03:15 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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chinacat72 said: I hold LSD to the highest value. I don't think we get another chance. To me it trully is from above. To the skeptic my viewpoints may seem as those of a delusional madman. To me the skeptic appears as a blind man.
I don't believe that LSD is mystical but that doesn't mean that I disbelieve. I consider it possible that LSD is a divine psychedelic. Like I said I just consider it to be outside the realm of what I can verify. If you consider LSD to be mystical, then that's up to you. It seems that you're willing to make conclusions about LSD based on a different philosophy than I'm willing to employ. We just need to be sure that if we're trying to evaluate LSD together, we can agree on which philosophical grounds. I'll tend to use science, though once in a while I will take a different approach, though usually only for effect.
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Described like what? Minimal in its mind altering properties? I've heard a few people describe it like that. It's also pretty easy to infer based on people's reports. A lot of people report that they like acid better than other psychedelics because it doesn't alter their minds as much as other psychedelics (IOW, LSD isn't uncomfortably strong in terms of psychotomimetic effects, whereas other drugs leave the user too "fucked up"). In fact, I consider this the typical characterization of LSD.
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Re: killing a dream?it could happen *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: Help on the Way]
#1782276 - 08/05/03 03:27 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I would have to say the "Silver Summer" is better then the last 2 summers. On other drugs, prices go up every year. Did everyone really expect acid to stay cheap? The problem with these kids is... they're not hippies. They dont know the word "give". They view LSD as a drug, and if they werent selling acid they'd be selling something else. They are not kind, I have been friends with this kid since 8th grade... He wanted me to go on tour with him, but I didnt, I just scored a good job and didnt want to give it up. When I saw him 2 months later, totally different person, in a bad way. I was shocked he didnt dose me for free. I guess I'm thankful he sold me strips for $40, now that I read some other people's experiences. I dont know why they sell that greedy person I once called friend sheets. He doesnt even have love for the dead! I thought I taught him well, back in the "White fluff/south park print" days. All that kindness given.. no acid karma has come my way. But hey, at least the acid is there, and thats all that really matters. The bitching about prices and quality comes later 
Gimme a coupla years, I'm starting my first organic chem class in september. My organization will be ran like a real family, maybe I'll even dress up like santa... oh, I gotta stop daydreaming and go study. Peace.
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