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    #11360498 - 11/01/09 01:31 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

haha

just kidding :tongue:


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Re: 2012 [Re: deff]
    #11360557 - 11/01/09 01:53 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

lol nice


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Re: 2012 [Re: CubieMcCuberton]
    #11360565 - 11/01/09 01:56 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

2012 is going to be sweet :popcorn:


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Re: 2012 [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #11360569 - 11/01/09 01:00 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)





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Re: 2012 [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11360587 - 11/01/09 01:07 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not even going to watch those videos, but just say this:

2012 is an opportunity for growth, simply because so many civilizations point to it as a time of change

What I'm saying is, you have to go with pascal's wager on this; it's more worth it to believe than not to believe

If you believe 2012 is the end of an age, you may be more encouraged to give up old personal ideas and even have the courage to give up ideas that are centuries old that make up the foundation of our civilization

I'm not saying "2012 is the truth" or "2012 is the end of the world"; all I'm saying is that, for some people, buying into the hype would be worth it, if that's what it takes to get them to change

That's not really an opinion, it's just fact. Many people will change in 2012 not because they feel entitled to change or they were pre-destined to change, but because 2012 will be the equivalent of making a New Years resolution and the willingness to work on it will push it through

this is all nonsense


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Re: 2012 [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #11360647 - 11/01/09 01:39 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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I'm not even going to watch those videos, but just say this:

2012 is an opportunity for growth, simply because so many civilizations point to it as a time of change

What I'm saying is, you have to go with pascal's wager on this; it's more worth it to believe than not to believe

If you believe 2012 is the end of an age, you may be more encouraged to give up old personal ideas and even have the courage to give up ideas that are centuries old that make up the foundation of our civilization

I'm not saying "2012 is the truth" or "2012 is the end of the world"; all I'm saying is that, for some people, buying into the hype would be worth it, if that's what it takes to get them to change

That's not really an opinion, it's just fact. Many people will change in 2012 not because they feel entitled to change or they were pre-destined to change, but because 2012 will be the equivalent of making a New Years resolution and the willingness to work on it will push it through

this is all nonsense




I love how you change the fact that you have been deceived into "yes we can" lol

The 2012 phenomenon is a range of beliefs and proposals positing that cataclysmic or transformative events will occur in the year 2012.[1][2] The forecast is based primarily on what is claimed to be the end-date of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar, which is presented as lasting 5,125 years and as terminating on December 21 or 23, 2012. Arguments supporting this dating are drawn from a mixture of amateur archaeoastronomy, alternative interpretations of mythology, numerological constructions, and alleged prophecies from extraterrestrial beings.

A New Age interpretation of this transition posits that, during this time, the planet and its inhabitants may undergo a positive physical or spiritual transformation, and that 2012 may mark the beginning of a new era.[3] Conversely, some believe that the 2012 date marks the beginning of an apocalypse. Both ideas have been disseminated in numerous books and TV documentaries, and have spread around the world through websites and discussion groups. The idea of a global event occurring in 2012 based on any interpretation of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar is rejected as pseudoscience by the scientific community, and as misrepresentative of Maya history by Mayanist scholars.[2][4]


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Re: 2012 [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11360661 - 11/01/09 01:47 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

the first video isn't working but check out the second:



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Re: 2012 [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11360667 - 11/01/09 01:50 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I agree with you completely, the myths surrounding 2012 are bullshit. I just wanted to say what I said anyway because I believe in it.


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    #11360682 - 11/01/09 01:57 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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I agree with you completely, the myths surrounding 2012 are bullshit. I just wanted to say what I said anyway because I believe in it.




what made you believe in it?


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Re: 2012 [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11360693 - 11/01/09 02:06 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

faith


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Re: 2012 [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11360696 - 11/01/09 02:10 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

well obviously you weren't born with the idea that 2012 would come to fruition

where did you first hear about it?


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Re: 2012 [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11360704 - 11/01/09 02:17 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

Well you have to tell me what you mean by 2012 coming to fruition. Because you could be thinking that I believe in something that I really don't..

I don't believe in any mass consciousness change
I don't believe in an apocalyptic event on Dec 21, 2012

ET visitation is possible but I don't have faith in it

I just believe that 2012 will be, like any other opportunity, like going to church at the right time, or being an astronaut and getting launched into space, that 2012 will be a time and space that will obviously be the breeding ground for spiritual growth in certain individuals; mostly those who have a lot of ideas about "being the change you want to see"; making 2012 into a self-fulfilling prophecy

I don't remember the first time I heard about 2012. It was probably in 2005 when I first heard about it, probably from listening to Terrence Mckenna talking about novelty.

This was during a time when I was taking a lot of psychedelics and I was getting messages broadcasted to me on the radio such as "Everyone must get ready; love is the only way"

Totally schizophrenic (probably). Probably why I don't do psychedelics recently.


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Re: 2012 [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11360723 - 11/01/09 02:34 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

what if there are beings which are capable of communicating with you for whatever reason(maybe something physical within your brain)

and are purposely misdirecting you from the true source of love

what if they are using aspects of what is true against you

I've always said that the most effective deceptions are based on or contain elements of truth

this idea of 2012 turning into a self fulfilling prophecy is in itself a part of the deception

you'll like this video(promise):



pay close attention to the symbology used and the term "order from chaos" which is a slogan of the freemasons/theosophist's





this means "order from chaos" 33 is representing the 33rd degree of freemasonry

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Re: 2012 [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11360732 - 11/01/09 02:39 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

I only added that anecdote because I thought it was amusing and interesting

I don't believe in 2012 being a self-fulfilling prophecy

Basically I'm just trying to say 2012, as an idea or a meme, is a metaphor, or a representation, for opportunity.

However the movie and most of the myths around it have to do with PRE-DETERMINED change and apocalypse

I'm saying that there's nothing set in stone, but if you want to believe in change, and 2012 is an attractive date for you, then why not make it a self-fulfilling prophecy if it helps your goals?

I feel like there is a miscommunication between us. I don't care about any of that fear-mongering and conspiracy shit. What a drag.


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'The Lost Keys Of Freemasonry' by Manly Palmer Hall 33° "When The Mason learns that the Key to the warrior on the block is the proper application of the dynamo of living power, he has learned the Mystery of his Craft. The seething energies of Lucifer are in his hands and before he may step onward and upward, he must prove his ability to properly apply this energy." page 48.

'The Secret Doctrine' by Helena Petrovna Blavatsky "Lucifer represents..Life..Thought..Progress..Civilization..
Liberty..Independence..Lucifer is the Logos..the Serpent, the Savior." on pages 171, 225, 255 (Volume II)

"I shall have influenced history more than any other German. Follow Hitler! I have initiated him into the secret doctrine, opened his centers to vision and given him the means to communicate with the powers."

Dietrich Eckart

"Lucifer works within each of us to bring us to wholeness, and as we move into a New Age…each of us in some way is brought to that point which I term the Luciferic Initiation, the particular doorway through which the individual must pass if he is to come fully into the presence of his light and wholenesss. Lucifer prepares man in all ways for the experience of Christhood… The light that reveals to us the presence of the Christ…comes from Lucifer. He is the light-giver, he is aptly named the Morning Star because it is his light that heralds for man the dawn of a great consciousness …He stands…as the Great Initiator, the one who hands the soul over to the Christ."

David Spangler, director of planetary initiative, united nations

"Lucifer is the name of a great Angel, not an upstart in heaven who revolted against God and was put down into the nether regions as the Devil....the angel who ensouls the human kingdom; every person, therefore, is a fragment of Lucifer. According to the esoteric teaching, the human souls individualized 18.5 million years ago. Lucifer, the Oversoul, diversified itself, and each fragment became individualized. "

Alice A. Bailey(founder of Lucifer trust which is now called Lucis Trust, the publishing company for the United Nations)

"No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation."

David Spangler, United Nations


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    #11360745 - 11/01/09 02:51 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

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I only added that anecdote because I thought it was amusing and interesting

I don't believe in 2012 being a self-fulfilling prophecy

Basically I'm just trying to say 2012, as an idea or a meme, is a metaphor, or a representation, for opportunity.

However the movie and most of the myths around it have to do with PRE-DETERMINED change and apocalypse

I'm saying that there's nothing set in stone, but if you want to believe in change, and 2012 is an attractive date for you, then why not make it a self-fulfilling prophecy if it helps your goals?

I feel like there is a miscommunication between us. I don't care about any of that fear-mongering and conspiracy shit. What a drag.




sorry but life isn't always smiles and sunshine

if you want to ignore the obvious truth thats your purgative


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Re: 2012 [Re: Life Upon Death]
    #11360751 - 11/01/09 02:56 AM (7 years, 11 months ago)

frankly I don't know what the fuck you believe

there is most definitely a break down in communication

apparently you realize that 2012 is bullshit and are just going along with it anyways

theres a word for that

"dreamer"

Jude 1:

8Yet in the same way these men, also by dreaming, defile the flesh, and reject authority, and revile angelic majesties.

basic breakdown is this

you believe what you want to believe is true instead of what actually is

even when it slaps you in the face


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