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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: bait_]
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bait_ said: If i remember corectly they believed that life on earth lived in phases. When each phase ended the earth would be destroyed or rocked by a cataclysmic event and a new phase of life began. The end of the 5th phase is supposed to be Dec 25. 2012.
it's Sunrise (PST) 12.21.2012.
There are many stone monument calendars that end in 2012 AD so it's not like one guy just got bored and decided to end it.
There is one in particular that says some thing's going to happen, but the heiroglyph stating exactly what is eroded.
From J.M. Jenkins' site:
And from David Stuart's recent decipherment of Tortuguero Monument 6 for the UT Mesoamerican Google group:
As promised here's a quick translation of the final passage* of Tortuguero Monument 6, recording the 2012 Bak'tun ending:
Tzuhtz-(a)j-oom u(y)-uxlajuun pik (ta) Chan Ajaw ux(-te') Uniiw. Uht-oom ? Y-em(al)?? Bolon Yookte' K'uh ta ?.
"The Thirteenth 'Bak'tun" will be finished (on) Four Ajaw, the Third of Uniiw (K'ank'in). (2012) ? will occur. (indecipherable) (It will be) the descent(??) of the Nine Support? God(s) to the ?."
This is it. The term following uht-oom is the main puzzle, and largely effaced. The "descent" reference is highly tentative, too. The enigmatic deity Bolon Yookte' K'uh has been known for some time from many sources, and I suspect that he (or they) has some tangential relationship to the Principal Bird Deity, as well as war associations. Interestingly, he is a protagonist in the deep time mythology of Palenque, as recorded on Palenque's Temple XIV tablet. A long-lasting character who's still around somewhere waiting, I suppose.

One thing about Bolon Yokte's presence in the 2012 text should be emphasized. Apart from symbolizing war, conflict, and the underworld, Bolon Yokte is a god that is often present during Creation events, often referring to the Creation event of 13.0.0.0.0 in 3114 BC, and most notably on the Vase of the Seven Lords. So, what does it mean that a Creation Lord is present on the next 13.0.0.0.0, the one that falls in 2012 AD? Although some scholars have commented that the incomplete text on Tortuguero Monument 6 doesn't tell us much, they have overlooked the obvious: Bolon Yokte's mere presence suggests that 2012 was thought of as a Creation, a worldrenewal that, after all, makes perfect sense in the context of a World Age doctrine that sequences forward in intervals of 13 baktuns. This may seem to go without saying, but in fact my work has been criticized for characterizing 2012 as a "cosmogenesis." Here the scholars are one step closer to understanding 2012 for what the Maya knew it to a be: a rebirth and the beginning of a new World Age.
So, specific prophecy with content for future events are rare in hieroglyphic texts. This may explain why there is a dearth of hieroglyphic texts on 2012—one of the main complaints about my theory. For whatever reason, our expectation that there should be such texts is thus pegged as an erroneous assumption; such a dearth is the norm. This may reveal a Mayan conceptualization of past and future as non-local realities that collapse always in the present moment. We see this in the shifting tense usages when Maya folktales are told. It was, it will be, it is—these temporal locations are interchangeable in mythic time, the space of "everything manifests in the now."
An Apparent Maya Prophecy for Our Day
Those who have read “Prophecy among the Maya” in a previous FARMS publication[1] are aware that native Mesoamericans at the time of the Spanish Conquest had prophets.
Documents written by descendants of the Maya during the century after the conquest have furnished us with sketchy details of how and what they prophesied.
Prophecy was a feature also of inscriptions on certain Maya monuments of the Classic era (approximately AD 300–800), although almost all of the inscriptions exclusively refer to impersonal events that are safely predictable, such as future completions of a given calendrical period.[2] Recently, however, a prophecy of a more specific event has been identified on a Maya monument that was erected around A.D. 670. It points to a definite future event. At the site now called Tortuguero, about 35 miles west-northwest of Palenque in southernmost Mexico, Monument 6 bears an enigmatic inscription.[3] An event is mentioned that was expected to take place on the Maya date 13.0.0.0.0 4 Ahaw 3 K’anki’in; following the generally accepted correlation of their calendar with ours, that would fall on Friday, 21 December 2012. (Some modern interpreters have spoken of this date as “the end of the world,” although there is no explicit basis for that idea in Maya lore.)[4] At that time the god Bolon Yokte K’u was prophesied to “descend,” presumably from a heavenly realm to earth (erosion damage of a key glyph makes the reading of the verb somewhat uncertain).
This monument allows us to be confident that the practice of prophesying future happenings was going on within a few centuries after the end of the Book of Mormon period, and since the custom of recording prophecies continued for at least a thousand years into Spanish colonial times, probably Monument 6 is not the earliest manifestation of the pattern that will be found. Such prophesying thus could have been going on from before Mormon’s day.
The Mayan date for 12.21.2012 is 13 PIK 4 AHAW, 3 K'ANK'IN
Words form modern day Mayans about 2012:
"4 Ahaw k'atun is the eleventh k'atun according to the count. Chichen Itza is the seating of the k'atun. The settlement of the Itzas comes. The quetzal comes, the green bird comes. He of the yellow tree comes. Blood-vomit comes. K'uk'ulkan shall come...." Book of Chilam Balam of Chumayel.
The passage explicitly references the 4 Ahaw k'atun (7,200 day period) in the mid-1700s but most likely refers to the arrival of the historical K'uk'ulkan in 987. However, according to maya cyclical time, the 4 Ahaw k'atun ending on the 2012 winter solstice would likely share similar qualities.
"Rix b’ix kan chiqe ojer kumal qatit, qamam. Jewa: 'Kiwil china ri’ k’isb’al k’ux k’isb’al wasaq. Ri k’isb’al u’wa k’ux. Kiwil china ri kaqa saqil. Ka k’ex taj k’u ri u’ ra ri u wach ulew'.
Pa jun ch'ab'al k'o pa ri loq'laj wujil Pop Wuj. Pa ri ch'ab'al k'o jun q'et tzij jewa kub'ij. 'Me qayexik rumal ri qatb'al tzij'. Rechi je ka tzijon wa xax ki si qo ojer chi ka k'uji jun qatab'al tzij maj chi taj ri ku b'an k'ax chi kech ri mayib winaq wa qas tzij. Wakamik q'ij konojel taq ri q'atb'al tzij ri k'o pataq. Qa amaq' "América" ma ajchi taj mak'otu rech e loq'laj qa no'jib'al kojonik maya. Wawataq q'atab'al tzij tajin kub'an k'ax che ri qas qa k'aslemal mayib' ri kelawi pa ri qa chomanik wane are konojel taq ri chomanik (pensamiento ideológico) aj ch'aqapja (occidental) su kasach u'wach sux powik kanoq. Pataq ri junab' ri jetel uloq ri 2012. 'We ka b'in na ri q'ij we k'ona ri saqir u'wach ulew osu maka sachta ri qa k'aslemal ´jew ri ku b'ij ri ch'ab'al' rech ri loq'laj wuj Pop Wuj". Rigoberto Itzep Chanchavac. ajq'ij k'iche' (2006) "That which our grandfathers and grandmothers left us from before: You will still see many warnings. You will still see and hear strange things. You will still see great ruin. There will be many changes on Earth. In a passage from the sacred book Pop Wuj, in one of the lines it says, 'nor are they condemned by justice.' When it speaks and says this, they are making a prophecy that there was going to be a Western judgment against the Maya; this is a reality. Today the laws of the Americas are foreign to the maya cosmovision. These laws are violating the legitimate rights of the Maya. Another interpretation enters in that the ideological power of the West in its entirety might expire forever in 2012. 'As long as the sun walks, as long as there as light, our existence will never be lost.' Thus says the passage in the sacred Pop Wuj." Rigoberto Itzep Chanchabac, K'iche' spiritual guide from Momostenango (2006)
"From the perspective of contemporary Maya, 2012 constitutes a very important point in the history of humanity since time is a variable that greatly influences the life of the planet and everything that exists on it. Human beings do not exist by coincidence or by a work of chance. They are part of a plan to carry out a mission in this part of the universe. The world is still not totally finished in its creation and perfection; this human creature has a role to play en the world and its preservation. One could say that the life of the planet depends on human beings and what they do in their existence.” Gaspar Pedro González (2006)
2012 is the central theme in the novel TRECE B’AK’TUN that will come out in Spanish in Guatemala this year. The novelist, Gaspar Pedro González publishes from within the maya context and his life experiences that begin in Xibalba alongside the Ajtxum who preserve authentic maya identity.
"Prophetic expressions of the indigenous peoples insist on the protagonist role that new generations must play at the close of this Oxlanh B'aktun (thirteen B'aktun) and the beginning of the new Maya millennium. The ancestors have always said that 'one day our children will speak to the world.' ... This millennial or b'aktunian movement responds to the close of a great prophetic cycle ... the great prophetic cycle of 400 years in the Maya calendar. For the Maya, this is not the close of the second millennium or 2000 years after Christ, but rather the close of the fifth millennium according to the ancient Maya calendar initiated in the mythical year that corresponds to 3114 B.C. (correction of typo in original) ... The b'aktun includes the global concept of time and the regeneration of life with new ideas and actions. In other words, the theoretical b'aktunian approach leads us to understand the effect of human ideas and actions on all that exists on the earth and their effects on the environment and cosmos." Victor Montejo (2005) in Maya Intellectual Renaissance: Identity, Representation and Leadership (Austin: U of Texas P, 2005), 120-122.
"The end of the world is going to arrive in the year 2000 and bit more, but no one know how much a bit is. It might be 30 years or a century, nobody knows when it will be.... The legend used to say that in Chan Santa Cruz there would arrive a time in which four white ropes would cross; these ropes are the highways to Merida, Vallodolid, Cancun and Vigia Chico. These ropes are a sign that time is going to change; or perhaps that time already changed. When times change, a new war is also near.... The war to come will begin far away and will end here, but before it begins there will be several signs." Son of an elder prayermaker in Xcacal Guardia (1994) in Jesús J. Lizama Quijano, "Las señales del fin del mundo: Una aproximación a la tradición profética de los cruzo'ob" http://www.uady.mx/sitios/mayas/articulos/tradicion.html
“Our Lord Hachakyum will make everything die because of the cold. The grass wishes to die. The seed, the animals all wish to die. And the True People [the Lacandon Maya] also – we all die. In thirty years Hachakyum will destroy the world." Chan K'in Viejo of Naja (1978) in Victor Perera and Robert D. Bruce, The Last Lords of Palenque: The Lacandon Mayas of the Mexican Rain Forest (Boston: Little, Brown & Co., 1982), 49.
"I guess I'll tell you the story of beautiful holy Lord for you to hear, because I have read the testament of beautiful holy Lord, where he says (that in) 2000 and a few more years it will end on earth. But if they have been very good Christians on earth, he will not end it.... He begins to diminish, beautiful holy Lord, His merciful grace (corn), the end of the road.... It is left, they are just looking one another in the face, no one is going to win the fight, hunger is going to win, truly. It ends, then, the fight like that. Hunger is going to finish it. Amidst that, whoever remembers there is a beautiful holy Lord, he makes a prayer in the cornfield, a harvest ceremony. Thus he makes it for beautiful holy Lord, He throws out blessings, beautiful holy Lord, there is corn in the fields." Lorenzo Kinil of Chemax (1930) in Paul Sullivan, Contemporary Yucatec Maya Apocalyptic Prophecy: the Ethnographic and Historical Context, diss., John Hopkins U., 1984, 291-95.
“It is an event that has already begun, there are already signs. If humans don’t correct our course in the face of these events we will be off-balance in the moment the event appears, a very strong event in comparison with what we have experienced. Humans more than ever should pay close attention to all the events that disturb balance. They are teachings that we living beings should extract from the stages through which we pass. It’s not that we are arriving at a zero hour in 2012, it’s already beginning. That is, just as in a day we begin at dawn, and as we approach noon the sun beats down harder; just as in the afternoon the forces of the sun start to calm down until experiencing night. In the passing of a day we experience degrees and effects of heat and at the same time we experience the energies that influence our lives. This date is the same way and I dare say that 12 years previous to 2012 we have been experiencing different stages of a sacred effect that can turn harmful if we lose human wisdom and there will be 12 years after in which the effects also will arrive. 2012 is just the high point of the story.” José María Tol Chan, K'iche' daykeeper from Chichicastenango (2006)
"The time of the year Thirteen B'aqtun on our solar calendar of 365 days, a time of great social, political, economic and spiritual changes in our region, America and the entire world ... From the day One Aj, of the yearbearer Eleven Kame ... the 29th of April of 1991 enters the influence of Thirteen B'aqtun of which we are in the first cycle of thirteen, within two cycles when they mark the year 2020 plus 2 all the prophecies of Thirteen B'aqtun will be fulfilled on the yearbearer Eleven Kame. For conscious beings, the children of honey, the sixth sun, they will be marvelous changes of light, but for the heartless unconscious who treated the Heart of Sky and Heart of Earth Nature poorly, it will be a life of justice and cruelty. Right now we are awaiting the time of One B'atz and One Chowen, day of inspiration of the Dawning." Chuchqajaw Kaqchikel Achi Ijatz, Apolinario Chile Pixtún (2005) Coordinador Titular of the Gran Confederación de Consejos Principales Ajq'ijab' Mayab' de Guatemala.
"One day the English will give us arms and the people will go to war to throw out the Yucatecans. The sign will be when the money disappears from the hands, Mexican money; that will be the end of the year and a little, the end of the world. Who knows if it will be this year or in a thousand years? It will be just past the end of the year." Raimundo Canul (1959) in Nelson A. Reed, The Caste War of Yucatan (Stanford, Stanford UP, 2001), 343-44.
"The monumental cycle called Saqarik* (dawn) or thirteen b'ak'tun, began on this date: 4 Ahaw 8 Kumk'u and it will end on the day 4 Ahaw, the winter solstice of December 21, 2012 (day on which the new Saqarik or new oxlajuj b'ak'tun will begin.)" José Mucía Batz (1996), “Nik”: Filosofía de los números mayas (Chimaltenango, Guatemala: Editorial Rutzijol, 1996), 12. *Special usage of the traditional K'iche' morning greeting created by Mucía Batz.
"12/21/2012, if we analyze the counting up of the numerals of this date, gives us a Cabalistic number that is 11. Within metaphysics, this number represents the world of the ascended masters. If we look at the Popul Wuh, we can realize that three eras existed: the era of the gods, the era of the heroes and the era of humans where the decline began. But what's going on? What is happening is that within maya prophecies, it makes visible the return to power. The curious thing is that within the awaited time, one also sees the awakending of the maya world in its complexity. One can see that we face the appearance of ascended Maya spirits who will come to raise up the people. The famous passage "May no one be left behind" and also the phrase "We always return from where we came." It means that we face great changes, great powers that never have been seen on the face of the earth." Kaqchikel daykeeper Baldomero Kawoq Cuma (2005)
“Te me’el mamaletik ku’untik ta Chyapae ay lom bayel ya’yejik, ya snopik sok ya sules ta sjolik te binti ya spas te balamilale jich ya smel yo’tanik yu’un te lumlumtike sok te ba nakalik te jme’tik tatike. Bayel ta chajp a’teletik te ma’yuk tsakalik sok muk’ul jtunele ay stsobo sbaik, xchapel sk’opik, ta spukbel sk’oplal te bit’il ayix wokolajel yu’un te ja’ ta Chyapae. Ay staoik ta ilel ta ya’wilal 2025, cheb oxajt’ te balamilal ya xlijk lajuk te ya’alike. Lom bayelix te mach’atik ya staikix ta nopel te ja’nix xch’unejik te binti la yalik te jmam jme’chuntike, te ja’nix lom tulan sk’oplal bit’il lek ya xkuxinotik sok te jme’tik jkaxeltike. Te jk’ulejetik te ja’ lom chopol te bitik ya spasike sok te ja’ ya skuy ta yu’unik sok te ja’ ya spastaik jay tuluk ta k’ulejal yu’un te bitik ay ta balamilale, ja’ smulik te binti lom chopol ya xtal ta balamilale. Ja’into te bitik ya kalbetik sk’oplale tsakaltal ta sk’op ya’yejik te jmam jme’chuntike, te ja’nix aytal ta stojol maba ja’nax te mejikoe ta sp’ejel te balamilale. Jich te sk’op ya’yejik te jmam jme’tike, yakalotikix yilel, yantoxan a te binti ya xk’ot ta pasel ta ya’wilal 2012. ¿Binti ya spas te balamilal teme mala kich’tik ta muk’e? Ya kil yilel te ayuk binti ya stak’ pasel te yu’un jich ya xjel snopojibal sok te yakuk xjul ch’ulelik te jme’tik tatik te ba nakalotike, ta sp’ejel mejiko soknix ta sp’ejel balamilal, ayuk bit’il lek ya xkuxinotik, kich’tik lek ta muk’ te jme’tik jkaxeltike soknix te jkuxineltike”. La sts’ibu Tsiak Tsa’pat Ts’it (2006)
"Our elders in Chiapas have set-up many discussions analyzing and reflecting upon what is happening in the world and it is worrisome for the people and communities. Different NGOs have had meetings, forums, and information campaigns about the water problems in Chiapas. They have determined that by the 2025, two-thirds of the world population will face problems with water. Many of these analysts base themselves on maya philosophical concepts, mainly that of living harmoniously with the powers of nature. Savage capitalism attacks this concept, privledging power and the wealth of natural resources for the egotistical benefit of a few plunderers and bringing devastating consecuences for the rest of humanity. These considerations are found contained in the ancient maya profecies and are not directed just to Mexico but to the whole world. Thus, we are already living these prophecies, apart from what will occur in 2012. What will happen to humanity if we do not become more aware? From what one sees, something must be done to transfor the mind and consciousness of local, national and worldwide society with the goal of attaining a more just and harmonious way of preserving our planet and our life." Tzeltal writer Diego Mendez Guzman (2006)
“As the elders said, everything is going to change. The world will be changed by that memorable date. Our children will have a different world view. The time will have passed and other beings will inhabit the universe.” Mam teacher Benito Ramirez Mendoza (2006)
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: igwna]
#7696924 - 11/29/07 09:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Taking all bets on nuclear holocaust.
Thanks for all that info, Middleman, I have a hard time grokking the Mayan calendar...
I'd be surprised if the end of the world happens in 2012... but then, I'd be surprised if nothing happened.
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#7697023 - 11/29/07 10:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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so wait.. is it predicted the end of time, the world, or humanity?
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: igwna]
#7697188 - 11/29/07 11:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hate to spoil the surprise for y'all, but the date merely signals the end of the Simpsons TV series. They made a good run of it, though.
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7697338 - 11/30/07 12:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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what happened at the end of the previous 4 phases? do they correlate with cataclysmic events?
edit: around 3114 BC which is when the 4th phase began is around when the first egyptian dynasty started. kinda cool, but no mayhem or destruction. i think people like this 2012 stuff cause of all the metaphor it has. but its like saying you need a god figure to enjoy spirituality.
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7697343 - 11/30/07 12:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: I hate to spoil the surprise for y'all, but the date merely signals the end of the Simpsons TV series. They made a good run of it, though.
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7697530 - 11/30/07 02:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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OrgoneConclusion said: I hate to spoil the surprise for y'all, but the date merely signals the end of the Simpsons TV series. They made a good run of it, though.
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
#7697533 - 11/30/07 02:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks for all that info, Middleman, I have a hard time grokking the Mayan calendar...
I'd be surprised if the end of the world happens in 2012... but then, I'd be surprised if nothing happened.
Word. I always have lots to share but usually don't bother because it seems to just fall on deaf and dumb ears.
Nothing never happens. Big changes are presently happening one small event at a time...
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: Middleman]
#7697563 - 11/30/07 03:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I always have lots to share but usually don't bother because it seems to just fall on deaf and dumb ears.
Probably because not a single future thing you have ever shared here has come to pass and most of the nonsense you spew has no foundation or evidence except for some wacky book or website with no foundation or evidence except for another wacky website or book with no foundation or evidence...
A mountain of bullshit is still bullshit. Volume and quantity and number of believers tells us nothing of the subject discussed; it only points speaks to the gullibility of mankind
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7697574 - 11/30/07 03:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know that big changes are going on. but I don't think its necessary to bring the mayans into it. i think all the arguments and hypothesis would be much more digestible if it was backed up by real events. the mayan stuff is just an extra unnecessary layer.
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: Majawala]
#7697585 - 11/30/07 03:39 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Was there ever a time when big changes were not going on?
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7697600 - 11/30/07 03:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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very true
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: Majawala]
#7697661 - 11/30/07 05:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Was there ever a time where humanity had the means to literally kill every living being and destroy the earth?
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7697680 - 11/30/07 06:05 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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"The fact that the police are busier on the full moon involves more than just gravitational forces, imo."
Source? There is no increase in crime nor is there greater gravity during a full moon.
Woah, incorrect, at least on the gravity bit. When the moon is either full or new, the gravitational forces of the moon and sun are combined resulting in "spring tides". Granted, the moon's gravity doesn't change, but your claim was on gravity in general, not the gravity of just the moon.
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The semidiurnal tidal range (the difference in height between high and low tides over about a half day) varies in a two-week or fortnightly cycle. Around new and full moon when the Sun, Moon and Earth form a line (a condition known as syzygy), the tidal forces due to the Sun reinforce those of the Moon. The tide's range is then maximum: this is called the spring tide, or just springs and is derived not from the season of spring but rather from the verb meaning "to jump" or "to leap up". When the Moon is at first quarter or third quarter, the Sun and Moon are separated by 90° when viewed from the earth, and the forces due to the Sun partially cancel those of the Moon. At these points in the lunar cycle, the tide's range is minimum: this is called the neap tide, or neaps. Spring tides result in high waters that are higher than average, low waters that are lower than average, slack water time that is shorter than average and stronger tidal currents than average. Neaps result in less extreme tidal conditions. There is about a seven day interval between springs and neaps.
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I always have lots to share but usually don't bother because it seems to just fall on deaf and dumb ears.
Probably because not a single future thing you have ever shared here has come to pass and most of the nonsense you spew has no foundation or evidence except for some wacky book or website with no foundation or evidence except for another wacky website or book with no foundation or evidence...
A mountain of bullshit is still bullshit. Volume and quantity and number of believers tells us nothing of the subject discussed; it only points speaks to the gullibility of mankind
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: Middleman]
#7697971 - 11/30/07 08:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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well guys we've only got 5 years left... PARTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 like theres no tommorow
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7697984 - 11/30/07 08:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I always have lots to share but usually don't bother because it seems to just fall on deaf and dumb ears.
Probably because not a single future thing you have ever shared here has come to pass and most of the nonsense you spew has no foundation or evidence except for some wacky book or website with no foundation or evidence except for another wacky website or book with no foundation or evidence...
A mountain of bullshit is still bullshit. Volume and quantity and number of believers tells us nothing of the subject discussed; it only points speaks to the gullibility of mankind
uhhh no.
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: gbeatle]
#7698112 - 11/30/07 09:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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gbeatle said: uhhh no.
Elaborate perhaps?
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: MushroomTrip]
#7699138 - 11/30/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry MT, but that was the sum total of his thought.
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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#7699389 - 11/30/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You're taking away all the fun!
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