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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: Shroomism]
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but also too is the solar systems connected to ours finishing the end of another large cycle, the galaxy finishing the end of an much, much larger cycle, and the entire universe finishing a cycle that takes billions of years.

Can you provide a reference to an astronomy or cosmology journal or textbook supporing this claim?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: Diploid]
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no... who said my sources was an astronomy or cosmology journal? not me. I said in order to understand you would have to be observing from outside our solar ring, objectively. The entire universe revolves, and everything in it. I imagine the galaxy takes some 56,000,000,000,000 years or more to complete one cycle.


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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: Shroomism]
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no... who said my sources was an astronomy or cosmology journal? not me

Then stop talking about it as if it were science and start calling it superstition!  :dumblol:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Edited by Diploid (11/23/04 09:43 AM)

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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: Diploid]
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It is science, it just hasn't been re-discovered by scientists yet.
Soon enough.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the universe has patterns.


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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: Shroomism]
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It is science

Nope.

Mirriam-Webster says Science is:

"knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method"

Where in your ramblings do you use the Scientific Method? Where do you propose or conduct experiments or make observations capable of supporting or refuting your assertions based on their veracity??

Without these things, there is no science, there is superstition.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: Shroomism]
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in order to understand you would have to be observing from outside our solar ring

I see. So, since you understand this stuff, you've been outside our solar ring.

Wow, when did this happen, and how did you get way out there?


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: Diploid]
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So if it's not science, then it is superstition?

hmm

Whatever happened to 'theory'

oh, right. theory comes from scientists. superstition comes from crazy people.
I must have forgotten. Thanks for putting me in my place.


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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: Shroomism]
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Whatever happened to 'theory'

For something to qualify as a theory, it must be supported by evidence or observation and it must be falsifiable by experimentation or observation.

You have provided *ZERO* evidence supporting the existence of the Photon Band. The one picture you posted of the Pleiades is very pretty, but there is no Photon Band anywhere to be seen in that picture. The Hubble telescope hasn't seen it either. None of the radio and light telescopes on Earth have seen it. None of the x-ray and other wavelength space observing instruments have seen it.

And, you have proposed no experiments that could support or refute the existence of such an object.

When I asked you for one single reference to a text or journal describing the whatever-you-call-it celestial alignment about to take place, you declined to provide one.

Have you ever even read a book about science and scientific theory?


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: Diploid]
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yes actually, many. And I find modern science to be very drawn out and boring and critically lacking in many areas, and having way too much in other areas.

When you demanded a reference to a text or journal I tried to humor you by providing several links, one of which was a link to astronomy peer-reviewed journals that I guess you didn't look at. I didn't decline to provide one.. I declined to waste my time searching through thousands of long-winded journals of technical jargon looking for something that might even remotely resemble a celestial alignment in 2012.

Quote:

For something to qualify as a theory, it must be supported by evidence or observation and it must be falsifiable by experimentation or observation.




Well I have OBSERVED the universe, and it revolves.


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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: Shroomism]
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science ... lacking in many areas, and having way too much in other areas.

But you have no qualms about using science every time you turn on your computer and surf the internet. Double standard.

When you demanded a reference to a text or journal I tried to humor you by providing several links

Links to web sites with maps of the colonies living on the inside of the hollow Earth don't qualify as scientific journals, sorry. :thumbdown:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Edited by Diploid (11/23/04 09:07 AM)

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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
To me 2012 is like a fulcrum of sorts.

This was said of the resurrection of Christ, the year 999, the year 1000, the year 1001 (which is actually the beginning of the new millennium, not 1000, since the year 0 didn't exist), the year 1999, the year 2000, the year 2001 (which is actually the beginning of the new millennium, not 2000, since the year 0 didn't exist), the year 2012, and I imagine it will be said of the year 2999, 3000, 3001, and an assortment other years too.

What makes 2012 a 'fulcrum' and all the rest not?



I wrote in the Maya thread that the calender is symbolic to me and that concerning the symbolism, time is obsolete. I could write a book on this but I won't.

The transitioning symbolism of that calender can happening in any time frame such as a day or a month or 100,000 years and it can happen around any time point.

I'm one of the people that will tell you, the changing of days will happen same as always when 12/21/12 rolls around. That date means NOTHING to me any more special then another.

The fulcrum analogy was used to express how I see within the symbolism, an uphill struggling against the self and then a down hill breeze of ease of surrendering to the self.

It's symbolic of a personal journey.

Diploid, I agree with you. I started this post way back when I started getting PMs from people who figured I';d been around the proverbial block. They want ed to know about the monsters around the corner.

There are people who think evil ET's will come to harvest their souls. There are people who think we are going to fall into literal days of darkness and mass cataclysmic destruction. There are people who think all of our electronics will fail and be rendered useless.

I wanted to adrress that stuff floating around in this thread.

You don't have any doom and gloom concerns about 2012. There is nothing for me to help you out with here.

2012 and pole shifts and all sorts of nonsense caught my attention about 10 years ago. It's all what started my exploration into alternate realities and other realms of existance. I WAS SCARED and I wanted to inform myself to ease those fears.

For a time, i was one of those who had the why bother attititude if radical change was upon us in the near future. I've ben in and through the thick of that shit and I've pretty much have come to understand it all in a way that I live in great peace and celebration about today and 50 years from now.

One the best things I came to learn is that ALL of that stuff being fed to the masses is not about literal physical happenings. IT's all symbolism for the inner journey.

Like in some post that came up about planet x aka Niburu showing up. They were never talking about an actual planet. They were talking about integration of annunaki soul aspects taking place. First, you have to have annunaki soul aspects for that 'event" to have it even mean something to you. Second, if you do, all it was about is accepting, mending and forgiving, applying unconditional love, compassion and understanding to that facet of the self.

I use to hate those guys, same with the dracs. They wern't me, they were my enemies and I rejected them at every turn. LOL.

ALOT has changed. BTW, the dracs are from the Orion system that you use to be interested in-nice pic you posted in that thread.

You are reading this going WTF are you talking about jig? Hense my concern that there are people here who know what the fuck I am talking about because they are dealing with those energies and memories-its just as real to them as the anscestrial blood and forefathers of your heritage. Do remember being with your grandparents as a kid?

Now take memory out of the space time boundaries and you have no idea, what the fuck you'll start to recall. Just like a kid, I remember having the BIG scary uncle, whom I misundertood and avoided because he was going to give me a knuckle sandwhich. Now as an adult, I know him to be the most chill mellow guy with love in his heart for me.

Diploid, right now, I don't think you and I have anything to discuss about 2012. The date is meaningless to both of us. if you start to experience stuff up the road that has you freaking out, then PM me. LOL

I just wanted to help ease peoples fears with this thread, and many opted to PM me about them versus posting them and coming under ridicule.

FYI, to date I have come to realise, no one can help you much until you want to help yourself. I had to find my own way through it very alone. Thats how we all do in the end, no one can do it for you.

No one is coming to save us from ourselves save ourselves. :tongue:


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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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change is unchangeable if you change, change. so let it be as it was and it become what you make of it?


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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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jiggy, the stuff you say would carry a lot more weight with non-gullible people, like me, if you were at least consistent.

First you say:

That date means NOTHING to me any more special then another.

but yesterday you said:

To me 2012 is like a fulcrum of sorts.

If, to you, the year 2012 is 'like a fulcrum of sorts', then it IS 'more special than another'

Which is it? Special or not?

Diploid, right now, I don't think you and I have anything to discuss about 2012.

This may be true, and if you present the 2012 superstition as what it is, superstition, I will leave it at that, but I will not allow 2012 superstition to be presented as science without challenging it, sorry.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: Diploid]
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I would put it in with symbolism. If thats superstition to you then ya, its superstition. So, we have nothing to discuss.

Hell ya I'm inconsistant. I did a post a while back about how multi perception abilities run you into contradictions. If I am talking with JUST YOU, 2012 will never come up. If I am talking alone with shroomism or a beleiver, then I can relate to the information he has read on it and give him different ways of looking at it with out needing for him to prove it before I bother discussing the possibilities with him.

People can beleive differently from me and thats okay. I can still find ways to relate and understand.

I'm not limited to one way of looking at things and I can take on others views and discuss from that place. I also have my own which shift around depending on how I am looking at something or where from.

Does it bug you that fulcrum is a scientific term? LOL You're free to challenge anyone here you wish too. I wish people who think of this symbology stuff as actual real events would stop pitching them as such too. They were never meant to be taking as "THE WHOLE OF THE PLANET WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DENY THIS EVENT"

All this new agey stuff is behind the scenes and easily denyable and will never set itself up to be provable or evident to all. It doesn't work that way. Challenge them all you want to. Your wasting your time though because they are not going to change their beleifs because YOU want proof.

Maybe it is you who would like to if you had some proof, but this stuff doesn't work that way. You have to seek self evidence for yourself.

Diploid, if you count on consistancy from a poster to derive something from a post or reply then count me out as you won't get it from me.

I'm like infinite people in one. Same as if 50 different people were writing from their own perspective, I could be 50 people in one writing from 50 different perspectives.

If one person came here and wrote one profound piece and you loved it that would be great right, even though you had no measure of their consistancy. Whats the difference if you read one bit from 50 different writers each or 50 different bits from the same writer?

Look at my location under my avatar. I'm everywhere-space splat!

I'm not here to convince anyone of anything. I beleive in free will.


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Ahuwale ka nane huna.

Edited by gettinjiggywithit (11/23/04 08:00 PM)

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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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gettinjiggywithit said:
Hell ya I'm inconsistant. I did a post a while back about how multi perception abilities run you into contradictions. If I am talking with JUST YOU, 2012 will never come up. If I am talking alone with shroomism or a beleiver, then I can relate to the information he has read on it and give him different ways of looking at it with out needing for him to prove it before I bother discussing the possibilities with him.

People can beleive differently from me and thats okay. I can still find ways to relate and understand.

I'm not limited to one way of looking at things and I can take on others views and discuss from that place. I also have my own which shift around depending on how I am looking at something or where from.




Jiggy, you are shining as always. Some great words in there that I think a lot of people should read.

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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Does it bug you that fulcrum is a scientific term? LOL

You're totally missing my point which has nothing to do with the words you use. It has to do with the fact that in one post you said 2012 is just another year with no meaning more than any other year, and in another post you said 2012 is special somehow in that it is a fulcrum year and all the other years are not.

I calling you on the inconsistency. 2012 can't be both an ordinary year and a fulcrum year even though you said it was both.

Diploid, if you count on consistancy from a poster to derive something from a post

How else could I derive something from a post? If you say in one post that you're taller than me, and in another that you're shorter than me, I'm left with no information whatsoever. If this is how you communicate, then perhaps you're right, we have nothing more to discuss.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: Diploid]
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Your beggining to see the light. 2012 can be fulcrum year to someone who gives it that meaning. Tonight can be a fulcram night for me if I give it that meaning. It can be one for one and not for another.

You live in linearville onesize fits all dude and thats not how this stuff works. No wonder you get so frustrated with it.

If I talk with you I will always be shorter then you if you are taller. If I talk with Joe I will always be taller then Joe if he is shorter.

Now, take this message board full of you's and Joes and bobs janes and bills all of different heights. If I am posting to address  Joes and Janes and say I am taller, you will say I am lying cuz I am shorter then you.

Dude, I can meet you in linearville for a cup of coffee, just you and me, week after week and seem pretty consistant. But if you meet up with me somehwere in the multiverse with god knows who doing god knows what, I will not be the same me.

I have a brother in law who will be the same old Jeff, having coffee with his mom, playing in bed with his wife, downing shots with friends at a club on Fri night, discussing a bussiness plan with his boss, and playing with his nephews. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Find me in those 5 scenerios and you will find 20 different people.

Thats me! If you can't handle my wild ride, then ya, get off it. :wink:


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Edited by gettinjiggywithit (11/23/04 09:41 PM)

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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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Your beggining to see the light. 2012 can be fulcrum year to someone who gives it that meaning. Tonight can be a fulcram night for me if I give it that meaning. It can be one for one and not for another.

This is just word play to sidestep the fact that you contradicted yourself and I caught it. :thumbdown:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Getting a Grip on "2012" [Re: poke smot!]
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Tripping shouldn't even be a main concern for those looking for enlightenment. Natural peace and contentment comes through to those who live for it, and drugs are just another experience that may help this state of mind temporarily or may hurt it temporarily, but really drugs are just a sidepath to the main road if you seeking peace and contentment or Nirvana


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