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Terrence McKenna - 2012
    #4099520 - 04/26/05 05:28 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I was reading some stuff about 2012 and came across this little bit of info about a book called "The Invisisble Landscape." Mind you, I'm an avid believer in the 2012 "something big is coming" belief.

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In 1971, the McKenna brothers went down to a remote part of the Amazon jungle to investigate rumours that the shamans performed magic using a "violet psychofluid" - a kind of ectoplasm which pours from all orifices and the skin, following ingestion of a hallucinogenic brew called ayahuasca (only visible to others who've taken the brew). They ended up taking a different combination of sacred plants, but which contained the same active ingredients as ayahuasca - dimethyltryptamine, and harmine (a beta-carboline) - both of which are closely related to the natural secretions of the pineal gland (especially in advanced meditators).

After a shared hallucinatory episode, the brothers returned to the USA to develop the insights they had in the Amazon. They were convinced that the ancient Chinese oracle - the I Ching, or Book of Changes - worked because it was a mathematically coded form of the time wave system that underlies change in the universe. The I Ching is a group of 64 six-line structures called hexagrams, which show all combinations of Yin and Yang (like + and - ). Another researcher - Martin Schonberger, in 1973, found an exact correspondence between the 64 hexagrams and the 64 codons in our DNA, at the same time as the brothers worked on advanced neurochemical theories to explain how the chemistry system worked, by which they had accessed knowledge stored in their nuclear DNA.

Eventually, they found a complex fractal wave, where each level is 64 times greater than the one below, consisting of 26 levels, which describes all change in the universe, from sub-atomic event durations, up to a universe-length time-span. When they analysed the peaks and troughs of history, and lined up the Timewave over the wave of history, they found that the end of the wave, when all the sub-waves peak together, will be in the year 2012 !! At the time they discovered this, THEY KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE MAYAN CALENDAR, or that the Long Count ends in 2012. The Invisible Landscape was published in 1975, and knowledge of the Mayan calendar did not become widespread until 1987, when Jose Arguelles published The Mayan Factor. Having heard about this later, the McKennas published a new version of the Invisible Landscape in 1993, in which the Timewave was refined to end on the winter solstice, along with the Long Count.

The Timewave ("Timewave Zero") was criticized by a mathematician called Watkins, and then checked and corrected by a nuclear physicist called John Sheliak, so that the new "Timewave One" fitted history even better (see Hyperborea for more details).

The end of the wave shows "ingression of novelty into spacetime" or change, accelerating to incredible levels. To paraphrase Robert Anton Wilson's summary; the last 384-day cycle contains more transformations than in all previous cycles - below that is a 6-day cycle, when things accelerate even faster, and in the last 135 minutes, 18 barriers comparable with the appearance of life, or the invention of language, will be crossed - 13 of these will occur in the last second.

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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: Anjaba]
    #4099685 - 04/26/05 06:24 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

you should check out the watkins objection
http://www.fourmilab.ch/rpkp/autopsy.html


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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: Anjaba]
    #4099697 - 04/26/05 06:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

ya ive read that earlier, very interesting..


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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: Anjaba]
    #4099783 - 04/26/05 07:01 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

What a nice original topic!

Mind you, I'm an avid believer in the 2012 "something big is coming" belief.

Gotta love irrationality. Of course, you are not an avid enough believer to put down a big wager in escrow...


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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: Swami]
    #4101740 - 04/27/05 05:12 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I read through the Watson Objection, glad you posted it, thx.

Swami: Who cares if this is an original topic or not, the first reply gave me what I ws looking for, so I'm happy. As far as being an avid believer in escrow, I'm a 19 yr old college kid with no money... Me investing what little money I have is not on my mind at this point in my life. Also, who cares if I believe something is going to happen in 2012, it's better than not believing in anything. I don't know what is going to happen, but I do believe something is going to happen. Even if nothing does happen, it's not like I wasted any of my life believing it. Christians around the world have faith or belief in something that has no backing either and they turn out just fine, just as people who are atheists and don't believe in anything at all lead miserable lives. Creativity is not a irrational.


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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: Anjaba]
    #4101762 - 04/27/05 05:38 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Also, who cares if I believe something is going to happen in 2012, it's better than not believing in anything.
Yeah, we have all witnessed the positive power of Islamic Fundamentalist belief.

Christians around the world have faith or belief in something that has no backing either and they turn out just fine,
Yeah, you gotta love the Crusades, The Inquisition and...

Please explain how belief in fantasy is better.


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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: Swami]
    #4101873 - 04/27/05 08:24 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

The kind of people that would use their religion/beliefs to justify murder and crime are just as common in the crowd that doesn't hold beliefs in anything. There are always people who are sick in the head, and it wouldn't matter what they believed in.

It would be impossible for me to explain how fantasy is better to someone who wouldn't understand, or doesn't want to understand. I don't know what your beliefs are, but it doesn't seem like you have any. Yea, I could believe in "The Big Bang," but there is just as much tangible evidence for that theory as there is for God. I choose to believe in things that give me hope in something after this life, whatever that may be, it's a hell of a lot better than believing in nothing.


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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: Anjaba] * 1
    #4102645 - 04/27/05 02:34 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Yea, I could believe in "The Big Bang," but there is just as much tangible evidence for that theory as there is for God.
We should be impressed by your apparent ignorance of cosmology?

it's a hell of a lot better than believing in nothing.
Repeating a statement is not an explanation nor does it give it more weight.


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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: Swami]
    #4102858 - 04/27/05 03:36 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Repeating a statement is not an explanation nor does it give it more weight.

If you copy a statement 10,000 times on sheets of paper it will definitely have more weight.

(Sorry, I just got some bad news and wanted to share the misery.  :tongue2:)

And now back to your regularly scheduled topic..


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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: Jellric]
    #4102880 - 04/27/05 03:43 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Jellric said:

If you copy a statement 10,000 times on sheets of paper it will definitely have more weight.






:lol:

Ahhhhhhhh so there is something to repeating yourself.

Whats the bad news? Maybe we can lighten your load. Start a new Post on it! Sometimes, just typing it out is enough to lighten it and give it new perspective to yourself. You can even do that, delete it and not put it up if its too personal.  :heart:

Back to your regularly scheduled 2012 programming.


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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: Jellric]
    #4102907 - 04/27/05 03:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

If you copy a statement 10,000 times on sheets of paper it will definitely have more weight.

But if you carve it instead of write it...  :tongue:


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: Diploid]
    #4103056 - 04/27/05 04:30 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

You will get carpal-tunnel syndrome...?


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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: Swami]
    #4103084 - 04/27/05 04:41 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

""The kind of people that would use their religion/beliefs to justify murder and crime are just as common in the crowd that doesn't hold beliefs in anything.""

science is the 'ultimate' religion, some dosen't even know it is a religion! GO figure!?!  :wink:


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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: Gomp]
    #4103098 - 04/27/05 04:46 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

some dosen't even know it is a religion!

What you mean is that others do not accept your categorization. This is different than ignorance.


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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: Gomp]
    #4103126 - 04/27/05 04:53 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Science is just the collection of knowledge with theories to connect that knowledge. There's no set of values or morals you have to follow to be a scientist (other than the methods of doing experiments and testing out theories), there's no "spiritual leader," there's no belief in a supernatural God or gods controlling or creating the universe, and in the end science is not a religion. Science is theories, knowledge and experiments, while religion needs none of these things and can be created purely on a subjective emotional whim.

Religion is what science would be if it gave up everything it had accomplished.


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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: Anjaba]
    #4103393 - 04/27/05 05:42 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)



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Edited by MarkostheGnostic (04/27/05 06:55 PM)


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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4103455 - 04/27/05 05:54 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: Swami]
    #4103484 - 04/27/05 06:02 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
some dosen't even know it is a religion!

What you mean is that others do not accept your categorization. This is different than ignorance.




he he, did you not read my disclaimer? :wink:

:sun:

(edit- some dosen't even know it is a religion!
and some dosen't even know it could be seen by some as a religion!
'amazingly' gives room for it all.. hehe )


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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: Ravus]
    #4103501 - 04/27/05 06:06 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

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Ravus said:
Science is just the collection of knowledge with theories to connect that knowledge. There's no set of values or morals you have to follow to be a scientist (other than the methods of doing experiments and testing out theories), there's no "spiritual leader," there's no belief in a supernatural God or gods controlling or creating the universe, and in the end science is not a religion. Science is theories, knowledge and experiments, while religion needs none of these things and can be created purely on a subjective emotional whim.

Religion is what science would be if it gave up everything it had accomplished.




What if that is what your religious leaders what you to believe, if you believe in science, they only know its a religion and keep 'a god' secret to all the one whom they exploit as they see fit.. in governing the whole of the law..
nah.. I'm just typing away in nonsense again.. sue me! :wink:
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Re: Terrence McKenna - 2012 [Re: Psychoactive1984]
    #4108110 - 04/28/05 07:51 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks Psychoactive1984.

Geez...I guess nobody else appreciates megadeath humor.


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