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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong.. [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1618999 - 06/08/03 06:52 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)


For anyone to go on a public lecture circuit and expound their philosophy has to have some courage to do so, whether you like that person or not. He doesn't know any better? The thrust of his theory merely change? In my opinion he was more intelligent and more specific than that, but it's up to the individual to decide if his ideas have any merit or not. He admitted that his work is a lot of conjecture, I find it intriguing.


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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong.. [Re: AislingGheal]
    #1619250 - 06/08/03 08:57 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

My understanding of Timewave theory (from the Tree of Knowledge lecture at mkcenna.psychedelic-library.org) is that he he based the positioning of the wave with novel events in recorded history, not from 2012. 2012 as the end point came as the result of synchronization with other events.

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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong.. [Re: AislingGheal]
    #1619648 - 06/09/03 01:00 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Oh I agree man I dig Novelty theory's general ideas, that "nature creates and conserves novelty" or "complexity"

there's a guy in Waking Life that talks about the "telescoping nature of evolution" which I think is another way of looking at this same type of idea..

heh his Timewave theory I don't really agree with, but I like the general novelty idea :smile: 


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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong... [Re: chodamunky]
    #1620074 - 06/09/03 05:19 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

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You forgot to mention that his Timewave Zero theory and the graphs seem to pinpoint the dates of habit and novelty throughout history, or maybe it's all just a bunch of huge coincidences.




A good point. Ignored by the knockers I see!

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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong... [Re: GazzBut]
    #1620275 - 06/09/03 09:28 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

if he worked on this backwards he could have mapped novelty first and then come up with the i-ching results necessary to result in that map


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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong... [Re: Strumpling]
    #1620528 - 06/09/03 11:51 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Strumpling: if he worked on this backwards he could have mapped novelty first and then come up with the i-ching results necessary to result in that map

DING DING DING
We haaave a WINNER!

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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong.. [Re: AislingGheal]
    #1622238 - 06/09/03 09:04 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not knocking Mckenna. I think he's great
I'm just trying to protect the sanctity of the I Ching and the Great Mayan Calendar.
don't you think it's a little presumptuous of Mckenna to think that he had those things all figured out?

the last time I had a level 5 trip I had EVERYTHING ALL FIGURED OUT. that's right, I guess it's time for me to hit the lecture circuit...



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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong.. [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1622310 - 06/09/03 09:29 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)


Fair enough, my contention is only this; that he stated repeatedly that his insights are his best guesses, and that's all. His sacred cow, if any, was the psychedelic experience itself and the belief that it had something to offer to the evolution of the species. I honestly never put much stock in the I-Ching/Mayan part of it because I frankly know little about either subject. If you do go on the lecture circuit PM me, I'll come check ya out  :wink:


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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong.. [Re: AislingGheal]
    #1622358 - 06/09/03 09:48 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

yeah I've heard interviews and various lectures where he makes fun of his own craziness.. he seems to imply that novelty itself is what's up, but that the details are just shit he filled in until somebody else comes along with better memes and "facts" to fill the idea :wink:


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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong.. [Re: Strumpling]
    #1622641 - 06/09/03 11:12 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Has anyone seen the movie "Seeking the Stone"? It's like a 90 minute long straight talk with McKenna... Great stuff, I highly recommend it!


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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong... [Re: Sclorch]
    #1622948 - 06/10/03 02:01 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)


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Strumpling: if he worked on this backwards he could have mapped novelty first and then come up with the i-ching results necessary to result in that map

DING DING DING
We haaave a WINNER!




And you have proof this is the methedology Mckenna employed or do you just prefer it because it fits your opinions nice n snugly?


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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong... [Re: GazzBut]
    #1622988 - 06/10/03 02:50 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I said he could have :wink:


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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong... [Re: Strumpling]
    #1622990 - 06/10/03 02:53 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I know you did!  :grin: 


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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong... [Re: GazzBut]
    #1623709 - 06/10/03 01:09 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

Gazz: And you have proof this is the methedology Mckenna employed or do you just prefer it because it fits your opinions nice n snugly?

The only proof died recently... with TM. Of course, there's his lunatic brother Den-Den. I guess we'll all just have to wait until 2012, eh? Lucky for Terrance, he won't be there to be tarred and feathered for being a charlatan when nothing happens on that day.

I don't believe everything I read... cuz I'll get a parking violation and a maggot on my sleeve. Sooooooo.....


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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong... [Re: Sclorch]
    #1623747 - 06/10/03 01:35 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

The way I understood it, the Iching really didnt have much to do with his novelty theory. It was a form he used to explain the complex underlying pattern of the logos, that universal pool of information that permeates everything. A pattern you can see in anything if you look hard enough.

I personally believe its this same fractile-like pattern that is responsible for things like peoples experiences of synchronicity. They see the pattern pop up and become evident, but since its fractile-like and infinite, they cant ever make sense of it. He saw this pattern in the king wen sequence of the iching.

In my psilocybin experiences I have come to the conclusion that my closed eye visuals are(maybe) the logos, the pool of information manifest in the mind... when I look closely its all the same fractile pattern everytime, but different parts morph into different forms throughout. Kinda more feeling and intuition than eyesight. Almost a plasma-like form of infinity, constantly changing, but always the same. Its hard to explain, but I think its the database of info that creates everything in the universe and beyond/within.

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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong... [Re: lateralus]
    #1623839 - 06/10/03 02:15 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

"I personally believe its this same fractile-like pattern that is responsible for things like peoples experiences of synchronicity."

Yeah man I link novelty to "coincidence" in the sense that if existence is getting more complex like novelty theory implies, coincidences should increase as well - they are very novel in my opinion :smile:


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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong... [Re: Strumpling]
    #1624072 - 06/10/03 03:40 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

I'll be waiting in my lawn chair wearing an offensive T-Shirt, sipping a brightly coloured beverage. That's for sure.


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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong... [Re: Strumpling]
    #1625510 - 06/11/03 01:08 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

"...the only reason something seems like a coincidence is because the relationship between the two events is hidden from you..." - Terence McKenna


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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong... [Re: Adamist]
    #1627064 - 06/11/03 06:00 PM (20 years, 8 months ago)

McKenna was a seeker of vision and he banged on that drum so hard and so long that he finally got one and, more importantly, followed the light down the rabbit hole as far as it would go.

In a world devoid of vision and bent on stifling individuality he was a fresh voice of reason even when championing the irrational.

Know thyself - seems as good a bit of advice now as it did 2500 years ago.
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Re: Mckenna got the whole 2012/I Ching thing totally wrong... [Re: Adamist]
    #1627922 - 06/12/03 01:11 AM (20 years, 8 months ago)

excellent quote man - thanks :smile:


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