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OfflineMajawala
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Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing....
    #7686451 - 11/27/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

and has it come true? Has their calender corresponded to anything in the past that came true?


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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: Majawala]
    #7686827 - 11/27/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Their calendar predicted a wide range of astronomical events that turned out to be true.

I'm not sure of specifics, but I'm about to check it out on Wiki.


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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: Majawala]
    #7686846 - 11/27/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Most of the Mayan predictions for our time are strictly astronomical.

The have correctly predicted Eclipses and transits of Venus in texts like the Dresden Codex.

Many "scientific" sources have claimed the Dresden codex is out of sync,
but John Major Jenkin's works have shown that it actually is, when calibrated correctly.

I understand why the skeptics are so cynical about Mayan prophecy though, there sure is a lot of BS out there.

Watch out for Dr. Jose Arguelles, he's full of it and just trying to sell books, like most 2012ers...

But the fact remains that the Mayans had at least 17 different synchronized calendars and their astronomy was very advanced for their time...


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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: Middleman]
    #7686998 - 11/27/07 05:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

So the astronomy is accurate, but was there a situation on earth in the past that they were able to predict based on their astronomy? see where i'm goin with this?

I mean based on the four physical forces known by physics, weak and strong nuclear, electro-magnetic, and gravity, the only one that could effect us from far away stars and planets is gravity and its so weak that it has almost 0 effect. I don't deny the possibility that maybe something else is going on, but its hard to buy that planets and stars can really effect our behavior and conciousness.


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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: Majawala]
    #7687075 - 11/27/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Somehow they overlooked their own demise as they were much more concerned with bored, white, middle-class Americans some 400-500 years in the future.


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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7687436 - 11/27/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Isnt this the wrong forum how is the related to philosophy or spirituality? This seems more fit for MRP.


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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7687802 - 11/27/07 07:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
Somehow they overlooked their own demise as they were much more concerned with bored, white, middle-class Americans some 400-500 years in the future.




That's a really good point you have there.


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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7688117 - 11/27/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Somehow they overlooked their own demise as they were much more concerned with bored, white, middle-class Americans some 400-500 years in the future.




They saw their own exit coming actually, and they weren't concerned with us, just future ASTRONOMY.

Mayan Astronomy and Spirituality were closely linked, but if the OP wants it moved let me know.


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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: Majawala]
    #7689771 - 11/28/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Majawala said:

So the astronomy is accurate, but was there a situation on earth in the past that they were able to predict based on their astronomy? see where i'm goin with this?




I haven't seen any direct references to modern world event prophecies by the Mayans.
A direct reference to any ancient information is very hard to  find these days. :smirk:

Well, there's always "John's Honey Scroll Trip on St. Patmos Island" aka The Book of Revelations...

I'm not a believer in doom theories, but a cataclysm would be an interesting way to go out.

Five possibilities exist: nuclear war, alien invasion, a meteor hits us, a sister brown dwarf star grazes us, or our galactic nuclei becomes active.
The chances of any of these things happinging in the same year as the 2012 alignment seem unlikely though, imo.

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Majawala said:

I don't deny the possibility that maybe something else is going on, but its hard to buy that planets and stars can really effect our behavior and conciousness.




Way to be open to possibilities, however remote they may be. :thumbup:

The fact that the police are busier on the full moon involves more than just gravitational forces, imo.

I suspect that due to the holographic nature of reality, we each project our universe from the inside, it's a paradox, I know, but there really is no objective world "out there".
Mystics have been saying this for ages, and science is beginning to agree...

So what's happening "up there" is a fractal mirror of what's happening "in here" or "in you" - same thing ultimately, imo.

That's why the ancients "worshiped" (read: closely followed and personified) the stars and planets, because they recognized them as aspects of their own psyches.
They understood that the celestial cycles mirrored cycles within themselves - personally and collectively.

Here are some quotes that I feel hint at the true nature of Astronomology...

"...perhaps there is a pattern set up in the heavens for one who desires to see it, and having seen it, to find one in himself" - Plato

"The very first thing which we would like to clarify is that both the Tarot and the Zodiac are not external phenomena. They are not "out there" and should be considered living essences or archetypes within each individual. You are a living, breathing zodiac." - M. Tsarion

"Know that the philosopher has power over the stars, and not the stars over him." - Paracelsus

"As long as you still experience the stars as something above the head you lack the eye of knowledge." - Fredrick Nietzsche

"...when the planets of the Solar System are named or symbolized...it must not be supposed that the planetary bodies themselves are referred to, except as types on a purely physical plane of the septenary nature of the psychic and spiritual worlds." - Madame Helena Petrovna Blavatsky

"It is an erroneous interpretation of astrology to opine that special forces emanate from the planets and the stars." - R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz (Sacred Science)

"As we all know science began with the stars, and mankind discovered in them the dominants of the unconscious, the "gods," as well as the curious psychological qualities of the Zodiac: a complete projected theory of human character." – Carl Gustav Jung

For we are the stars. For we sing.
For we sing with our light.
For we are birds made of fire.
For we spread our wings over the sky.
Our light is a voice.
We cut a road for the soul
for it's journey through death.
This is the song of the stars.
For we sing, we sing with our light

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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: Middleman]
    #7691066 - 11/28/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

wow, amazing i love it


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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: gbeatle]
    #7692050 - 11/28/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

"The fact that the police are busier on the full moon involves more than just gravitational forces, imo."

I think its cause theres more light out so people are more likely to get up to no good. that and werewolves.

unfortunately i can't debate with you on the relevance of astrology cause I don't know any details.

do you have any sources for saying that the mayans knew of their own demise?


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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: Majawala]
    #7692101 - 11/28/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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"The fact that the police are busier on the full moon involves more than just gravitational forces, imo."





Source? There is no increase in crime nor is there greater gravity during a full moon. :rolleyes:


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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7692126 - 11/28/07 07:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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There is no increase in crime nor is there greater gravity during a full moon. :rolleyes:



Source?


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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: Silversoul]
    #7693545 - 11/29/07 02:13 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

did they even predict the 2012 thing?
i have limited backround knowledge but i was under the impression that that was just when their calender ended and we assumed it meant the end of 'time'

i could be wrong.


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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: igwna]
    #7693550 - 11/29/07 02:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Some studies show increased crime under the full moon, others do not.

The moon obviously has a gravitational pull on the earth. What do you think causes the rising and the falling of the tides?


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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: igwna]
    #7694308 - 11/29/07 10:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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did they even predict the 2012 thing?
i have limited backround knowledge but i was under the impression that that was just when their calender ended and we assumed it meant the end of 'time'




As far as I'm aware, that's exactly what happened. I may well be wrong here, but I think there's absolutely no reference to eschatology to be found in any Mayan source- the calendar just ends.

Maybe the poor guy who had to draw out the calendars just got bored one day, or maybe they genuinely believed (correctly or not) that the world would end. Either way, they knew the date of the Winter Solstice of 2012. Impressive.


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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: EllisDSox]
    #7696446 - 11/29/07 07:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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did they even predict the 2012 thing?
i have limited backround knowledge but i was under the impression that that was just when their calender ended and we assumed it meant the end of 'time'




As far as I'm aware, that's exactly what happened. I may well be wrong here, but I think there's absolutely no reference to eschatology to be found in any Mayan source- the calendar just ends.

Maybe the poor guy who had to draw out the calendars just got bored one day, or maybe they genuinely believed (correctly or not) that the world would end. Either way, they knew the date of the Winter Solstice of 2012. Impressive.




Oh that is interesting. I can't imagine why they'd expect the world to end so specifically. Maybe they just wanted to scare everyone in the future :smirk:


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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: igwna]
    #7696463 - 11/29/07 07:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Are you saying the ancient Mayans were in bed with the modern book publishers?


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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: igwna]
    #7696500 - 11/29/07 07:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If i remember corectly they believed that life on earth lived in phases. When each phase ended the earth would be destroyed or rocked by a cataclysmic event and a new phase of life began. The end of the 5th phase is supposed to be Dec 25. 2012.


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Re: Have the Mayans predicted anything besides the 2012 thing.... [Re: bait_]
    #7696844 - 11/29/07 09:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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bait_ said:
If i remember corectly they believed that life on earth lived in phases. When each phase ended the earth would be destroyed or rocked by a cataclysmic event and a new phase of life began. The end of the 5th phase is supposed to be Dec 25. 2012.




now THATS cool.


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