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#736302 - 07/10/02 09:31 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd just like to point out that everyone thinks N.I.B. stands for "Nativity in Black", but in the book for "Reunion" it says "NIB" has something to do with one of their "pointy, nib like beards".
This has nothing to do with the discussion of Lucifer, just Black's Sabbath's N.I.B.
(Edit: I don't know WHERE this fucking thing came from..  )
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 Re: Lucifer Sacred Fruit of The Goddess [Re: Adamist]
#736627 - 07/10/02 11:25 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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Very good link adamist. Will think about it some.
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Re: Lucifer Sacred Fruit of The Goddess [Re: Revelation]
#740435 - 07/11/02 09:10 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would like to point out something...
The Mayan deity Quetzalcoatl (the feathered serpent) is associated with Venus as the Morning Star, visible before sunrise.
Lucifer, who is also associated with being a serpent and having wings (he was/is an angel right?) was also associated with Venus... According to Webster:
Lu ci fer (l s f r) [[ME < OE < L, morning star (in ML, Satan), lit., light-bringing < lux (gen. lucis ), LIGHT1 + ferre , to BEAR1]] 1 the planet Venus when it is the morning star 2 Theol. SATAN; specif., in Christian theology, Satan as leader of the fallen angels: he was an angel of light until he revolted against God and, with the others, was cast into hell. . .
But anyways, I think this is a pretty odd coincidence, don't you think?
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Re: Lucifer [Re: llib]
#741063 - 07/12/02 07:51 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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>Satan represents the negative energy. From a spiritual sense i term this the loss of atonement, one with godself. It is represented by the adam and eve story.
But the atonement had yet to happen...
>From a spiritual senese I believe that this took place over many millenium.
Probably.
The point of interest is not what caused us to sin, nor does it matter what the sin was. The point of the story was that we were able to sin.
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Re: Lucifer [Re: Adamist]
#741320 - 07/12/02 09:30 AM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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if you believe in that kind of thing (fairy tales).......
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It doesn't matter if you "believe" in it or not.. How does a fairy tale become so similar in 2 different cultures? Do you think the Christians copied an obscure tribal society myth in mexico or vice versa? When these 2 cultures did (as far as history knows) meet for the first time, it was the end for the Mayans... So how did they share such a common belief before they even interacted with each other?
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Re: Lucifer [Re: why]
#743884 - 07/13/02 02:24 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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religious stories are simply man's attempt to explain 4th dimensional spirituality in , if you would, "human terms", read a course in miracles for true spiritual essence
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Re: Lucifer [Re: Adamist]
#751160 - 07/16/02 01:59 PM (21 years, 2 months ago) |
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That story was told to keep you in line.Same thing gov't is doing today.Buy into the bullshit or be free.Your decision lucifer.
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I feel that this should be bumped up, so everyone can read the texts that Adamist posted.. very insightful stuff!
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Re: Lucifer [Re: Adamist]
#1935281 - 09/20/03 11:20 AM (20 years, 13 days ago) |
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In the Genesis account, Lucifer did not create the world (cosmos, in Greek), GOD did. It is a Gnostic creation myth that makes the Demiurge - a 'lesser god,' sometimes identified with the Hebrew YHVH, and sometimes with Satan or Samael ('the Blind God'), the Creator, and creation an act of rebellion. The Biblical attitude is that creation is good. It is not materiality that is the problem, but rather evil spiritual principles that are the problem. The fall of Lucifer ('Light Bearer') and 1/3 of the angels from the Divine Presence is a mythological rendering of the problem of evil, given that GOD is Goodness Itself.
The 'Fallen' films with Christopher Walken playing an evil Gabriel (who is the author of the Qu'ran in Islam), and who also plays a role in the NT are hokey, but they actually bring out some mytho-metaphysical points, as well as what you seem to evidence, namely 'sympathy for the devil.'
It would seem that evil is a kind of metaphysical consequence of the limitations of creation, and the idea that against the Pure Eternal Light of GOD, the universe is gonna cast one Hell of a Shadow, metaphysically speaking, and that Shadow is evil.
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The way I see it, if we were indeed living in some sort of paradise automatically, only existing in the positive orientation, we would be basically ignorant, not having any reason to advance closer to the Creator..
We weren't getting anywhere, evolution wise, and the Co-Creator for this galaxy tried out free will and brought in the negative orientation, thus giving us a catalyst to grow..
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Pretty insightful! This is why some Gnostics held the Serpent to be a hero. For the best rendering of the birth of human consciousness from a Jungian treatment of the Genesis myth, read "Ego and Archetype: Individuation and the Religious Function of the Psyche" by Edward Edinger.
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Quote:
MarkostheGnostic said:
Pretty insightful! This is why some Gnostics held the Serpent to be a hero. For the best rendering of the birth of human consciousness from a Jungian treatment of the Genesis myth, read "Ego and Archetype: Individuation and the Religious Function of the Psyche" by Edward Edinger.
I have been listening to a lot of Dimmu Borgir recently, and me and a friend from here were talking about Satanists... I think that they sort have discovered this, too, but all the negative beliefs of Satan and all of that from Christianity and so forth get thrown in and they sort of believe both, which is sort of messed up... I'd say that they are about half right, just as most Christians are about half right..
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Re: Lucifer Sacred Fruit of The Goddess [Re: thePatient]
#1936020 - 09/20/03 05:00 PM (20 years, 12 days ago) |
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Hell is what goes through a crackheads mind right before he takes a hit, what goes through a heroin addict right before shooting up. Hell is in the stomach of an Etheopian child dying of hunger. Hell is happening in the Middle East everyday.
Also, Satan is looked at as evil because he rebeled against God. Doesent mean hes the father of lies or God of death. Just like if you rebel against the U.S. goverment your a "terrorist" .
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Re: Lucifer Sacred Fruit of The Goddess [Re: Spokesman]
#1936060 - 09/20/03 05:17 PM (20 years, 12 days ago) |
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Interesting thread so far... I'd like to add, didn't the pontiff recently say that Satan is a metaphor for man's nature?
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Re: Lucifer Sacred Fruit of The Goddess [Re: Zahid]
#1936062 - 09/20/03 05:19 PM (20 years, 12 days ago) |
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Quote:
Zahid said:
Interesting thread so far... I'd like to add, didn't the pontiff recently say that Satan is a metaphor for man's nature?
The pontiff? Who the hell is that?
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Re: Lucifer Sacred Fruit of The Goddess [Re: fireworks_god]
#1936099 - 09/20/03 05:37 PM (20 years, 12 days ago) |
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Pope John Paul II, Karol Wojtyla.
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 Re: Lucifer Sacred Fruit of The Goddess [Re: fireworks_god]
#1936223 - 09/20/03 06:52 PM (20 years, 12 days ago) |
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Wow, thanks for bringing this back. It's strange reading something I wrote over a year ago.
"The Old Serpent is seen by Blake as a symbol of nature worship and subtle hypocrisy. The coiling form is said to represent entrapment of spiritual man in materialism or the illusory snares of nature. The coiling serpent is reminiscent of the Kundalini, however, which serves the opposite purpose. It is through the serpentine wisdom attained by the Kundalini that we free ourselves from the illusory nature of the physical world to embrace the truth of higher existence. Compare to the Ouroboros as a symbol of renewing initiation to the occultist and as a symbol of reincarnation. Mdme. Blavatsky reminds us of Her tutelary ways: 'Thus it stands proven that Satan, or the red Fiery Dragon, the 'Lord of Phosphorus' and Lucifer, or 'Light bearer' is in us; it is our mind-our temptor and Redeemer, our intelligent liberator and saviour from pure animalism.' "
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 Re: Lucifer [Re: Adamist]
#1936463 - 09/20/03 09:27 PM (20 years, 12 days ago) |
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Well see... "God" was all about internal spirit creation. If he wanted to fly across the universe, he'd use his merkaba.
Lucifer 'rebelled' by entering the realm of external technology. He entered the physical realm and did the opposite of "God". If he wanted to fly across the universe, he'd take a spaceship.
It was all a part of the master plan though 
God created Lucifer. Balance.
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So do you think this "god" is pure good, and this "satan" is pure evil? I read the bible constantly and i cant help but see a Ying Yang symbol here.
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