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veda_sticks
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Re: marijauna does NOT cause schizophrenia, this latest lie HAS to be stopped... [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
#10881305 - 08/18/09 08:20 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hew doesnt sleep to well either. My gf said weed was partly to blame, aswell as an ex girlfriend that treated him real bad.
so this guy chooses to smoke for a problem he found a solution, and your GF just spouts off that it's that weeds fault? see, that's the kind of uneducated conjecture this thread is talking about. people randomly spitting facts they really know nothing about. no offense. people saying, "oh well, this guy has problems, MUST be the pot.
are we forgetting schizophrenia is a HIGHLY mentally suggestive disease? these people are so influenced by suggestion. they are very very psyco-sematic and will usually freak out over their own thoughts about something, not the effects of the thing itself. saying that, if they hear enough propaganda about pot, they will freak out after smoking it.
my bi polarism when paranoid in its absolute stage, but i'm telling you, it's 905 diet. it really really is. we as a society get farther and farther away from "grains fruits veg's and meats from the farm" with our processed food, and we end up not getting any nutrients. vitamin fortification doesn't really mean shit as most peoples bodies don't get enough fiber to break down those vitamins and piss it out. expensive urine is all they get. that an an unstable brain due to not haveing enough folic acid, fish oil, b-12, vit c, ect. people with "mental illness" 90% of the time have also so signs of IBS (constipation, runs, whole chunks of undigested food, gas to the extreme) or stomach ulcers or they throw up alot. many recent studies show that their brains use more of these needed nutrients faster than your average guy/girl, so anything they DO get nutrient wise, goes to trying to keep up with their metabolism.
but most i've met won't fix thier diet, or quite drinking, or talk huge amounts of supplements and fiber to get it all down and absorb it. and doctors won't really help. they don't wanna go outta business so they keep finding things wrong.
it doesn't help they paranoids that people are really out to get them. if people weren't, they'd get free treatment outta love, and a more hollistic approach that had results. they don't want people better. they want a thriving mental health business.
i live a very normal life, and still clearly see governments and doctors can't be trusted because of what they are alone. they must prove themselves. maybe these people aren't always totally paranoid, but hyper synsetized?
oh i agree with you there, unfortunatly my gf was brought up in that niave all drugs are bad type family. theres no changing her mind. she will tolerate weed but nothing else. not really her fault and i wouldnt force my opinions on anyone. they have to make up there own mind.
He smokes weed because it relieves his anxiety and hes very particular about what kind of weed he smokes. Its mostly indica which i can smoke now and then.
If i smoke sativa fuck scares the shit out of me.
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Re: marijauna does NOT cause schizophrenia, this latest lie HAS to be stopped... [Re: veda_sticks]
#10881897 - 08/18/09 10:50 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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cool man. i understand. we're all different, anything i say is just my opinion. i respect ya there though.
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Re: marijauna does NOT cause schizophrenia, this latest lie HAS to be stopped... [Re: the bizzle]
#10893404 - 08/19/09 09:53 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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i was not suggesting that the paranoia is the cause only that it may bring it more to the surface of the individual that has it everyone is different and things effect different people different ways some more powerful than others especially when we are speaking of Any substance and honestly speaking we have no concrete way of knowing all of the possibility's that can happen when you take a substance of any kind medically speaking problems such as depression all the way to schizophrenia and even sociopath all have to do with a chemical imbalance in the brain and we do not know even close to the amount of things needed to diagnose what causes certain things but we can factually state that ANY substance CAN and WILL effect the levels of certain chemicals in the brain (some more extreme than others) now having said this do i think that mj causes any mental illness, no however i do believe that it can treat some illnesses but some meds used to treat things are derived from the very thing that causes the sickness the most common knowledge example is with snake bites so honestly it scientifically it is passable that schizophrenia could be caused or simply triggered by a substance but its not at all likely
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Re: marijauna does NOT cause schizophrenia, this latest lie HAS to be stopped... [Re: memory_nirvana]
#10893865 - 08/19/09 11:04 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Short on time so i didn't read the whole thread. Not too sure on if marijuana can cause schizophrenia in a person alone (haven't read anything that i remember)but i've experienced reactive paranoid schizophrenia from frequent lsd and marijuana use last year. The weed exemplified the acids schizophrenic effects that took hold because of a sort of emotional intellectual crisis and either i would go paranoid which would consist of a sort of insane awarness and energy, or i would overcome the paranoia and accept this hightened state of awarness and a form of fluent image filled way of thinking would take over where information seems comes in from some unkown source that seems to also be involved with he peculiar coincidences and synchronicities in everyday as well as dreams.
After reading the invisible landscape i wasn't suprised to find McKenna's view on it since i'd seen that youtube video. He is not claiming that every schizophrenic has the potential to manifest shamanic abilities, only siting those with either type of reactive schizophrenia. He said essential and paranoid i beleive. Many people who overcome these types and rebuild the personality can then move anypoint from there, frequent relapses or complete integration. This was not his own idea by the way. It has been known that various features and experiences can lead one to be chosen as a shaman among tribes. Schizophrenia being one of them. Shit i dont know what i'm typing about anymore or where i was going, im fucking stoned, summers almost over, im going to go hit some deamster
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Re: marijuana does NOT cause schizophrenia, this latest lie HAS to be stopped... [Re: Spiderbaby]
#10894666 - 08/20/09 12:58 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Marijuana gives me a large pain in my ass. It really hurts. But I use fungus to compensate for this. Dem mushrooms always make the shit come out.
My post in comparison to your post, are of similar value. TROLL!
Besides if you give into the bullshit then people actually believe it. Give me a break man. What the f is with Potheads and Paranoia. God. They don't care about you man. Oh wait, you play the game "CHILD seek attention from PARENT." Where the Child is your childlike ego state and the PARENT is the authortive response (dominate figure); Why don't you play a different game?
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Re: marijuana does NOT cause schizophrenia, this latest lie HAS to be stopped... [Re: iluvfungi]
#10903454 - 08/21/09 09:41 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Oh wait, you play the game "CHILD seek attention from PARENT." Where the Child is your childlike ego state and the PARENT is the authortive response (dominate figure); Why don't you play a different game?
wow, while true, you're quite an asshole.
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Re: marijuana does NOT cause schizophrenia, this latest lie HAS to be stopped... [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
#10911088 - 08/22/09 10:58 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Thanks. You'll thank me later.
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Re: marijuana does NOT cause schizophrenia, this latest lie HAS to be stopped... [Re: iluvfungi]
#10911215 - 08/22/09 11:17 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Re: marijauna does NOT cause schizophrenia, this latest lie HAS to be stopped... [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
#10911616 - 08/22/09 12:13 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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MileHiMycophiles said: a guy saying marijauna was a drug. i said no, it's a plant. and well, read on.
This and many other statements are quite irrational in my opinion.
Marijuana is a drug containing plant. You say it is not a drug... well not technically, because marijuana refers to more than the drugs within it (for we can consider marijuana that has had its cannabinoids removed). But whenever people talk about marijuana they are talking about its use in a fashion that delivers the drug within it to the user. Thus it is, functionally, a drug. Unless you were talking about its use as a weed deterrent when implemented in a crop cycle. Or something like that.
Look, Marijuana probably increases the rate of schizophrenia. But so do many other factors in society. The only reason it is a problem if it induces schizophrenia anyway is that the public health service has to take the toll. This society has got to stop protecting people from themselves, and allow people to hurt themselves rather than hurting eachother. But since the govt also has some sort of obligation to take care of people when they are ill, it is unbeneficial to let people hurt themselves, because it costs everyone else. Our legal systems allow us to keep a lot of social order.
But they also lock us into paradigms, because to change fundamental laws could lead to chaos. The powerful people who would do the actual changing could end up making changes that people fear intensely. Even if you don't fear this, plenty of other people do, as there are always those that resist change. Simply due to what they have invested in the current situation. Change is inherently a dilution of their individual investment. Other people, who feel personally involved with the change, praise it and assert it.
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Re: marijauna does NOT cause schizophrenia, this latest lie HAS to be stopped... [Re: Noteworthy]
#10912407 - 08/22/09 01:45 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Every single drug has a risk of causing some mental illness. This is simply because drugs alter your state of mind and if you happen to have a dormant case of schizophrenia, bi-polar, or whatever, any drug you take CAN enhance the effects of said illness. I really hate to break it to you people who believe that marijuana is a perfect plant that can do no wrong. It can! Now generally speaking it has lower risk factors than other drugs, but it doesn't mean it's perfectly safe.
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Re: marijauna does NOT cause schizophrenia, this latest lie HAS to be stopped... [Re: JohnnyRebel]
#10912543 - 08/22/09 02:03 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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Our legal systems allow us to keep a lot of social order.
lol. you're funny. i'd like to see an example of said "order" in a world that has as much killing raping and crime as ever... with even MORE mental illness since governments became more than simple "taxers". they are allowed into our lives more now, so they have more control than in 1678, yet things are just as bad if not worse for the human plight.
life is beautiful. if there weren't fucked up people, it would be heaven/nirvana. but alas, there are. and they are out to get you. doctors, lawyer, governments lie and cheat to get as much more security and money for themselves as they can.
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This and many other statements are quite irrational in my opinion.
is quite irraional in my opinion. poor poor devil, you trust a flawed system concocted up hundreds of years ago by men not as educated as you or i, that in turn, has been build upon and upgraded like a 1982 apple 2-E trying to run internet explorer 8. it just doesn't work right, and it's constantly crashing. you can't build laws for a new evolving world based on old ones. and the fact that any natural plant medicine is called a "drug" in the american (i only was born here, i don't claim this country, as nationalism is no better than racism) sense of the world (as they are the ones who coined the term "drug war") is silly. american government and their allies (and the people who agree with their laws, regulations, scientific studies, ect.) have taken a bunch of things that come from nature, and declared them "drugs", and set war upon them. america hates mother nature in that sense.
so yes, in your sense of the word, it is a drug. so is food with enough protein in it to get you a saratonin boost when you eat it. but it is not a life destroying, mind breaking, addictive substance sythesized non naturally in a lab. point made.
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Re: marijauna does NOT cause schizophrenia, this latest lie HAS to be stopped... [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
#10931811 - 08/25/09 01:48 AM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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lol. you're funny. i'd like to see an example of said "order" in a world that has as much killing raping and crime as ever...
please... do extrapolate on this, for it is central to your disagreement with my post, but I have no idea where you get the idea that there is as much killing and raping in our society as the rest of the world and compared to the past? (as for crime.. well you need laws to have crime so obviously crime comes with civilisation)
your conclusions about what I believe in, at the end of your post, help me know that you are just taking my words and assuming meaning behind them based on all of the arguments youve had with people in the past. This is bad, because there are plenty of ignoramuses on either side of any widely-discussed argument
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Re: marijauna does NOT cause schizophrenia, this latest lie HAS to be stopped... [Re: Noteworthy]
#10941758 - 08/26/09 01:54 PM (14 years, 5 months ago) |
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there is as much killing and raping in our society as the rest of the world and compared to the past?
i never said that. i said that the world as a whole has just as much killing and raping and violence as ever. more, seeing as there's billions now instead of millions.
those said "conclusions" were more statements of what i believe is true. absolute power corrupts absolutly, i don't have trust or faith in anything governmental from anywhere in the world. people say i'm crazy, i say they're blind. this whole world is pretty fucked. and its really obvious. no country is "doing it right". there's no true freedom anywhere. materialistic, small minded, resource burning without replenishing... and the worst of it is, it's not the individuals persons fault. I don't live this way. i don't do all this crap that hurts my world. i don't declare war on plants and call them "drugs". and i don't support any person who does. no person. no human being, has any more right or power than me. all these laws create more crime, you are right. the whole world is fucked. and so to listen to the people who made the world fucked (doctors, lawyers, politicians) and beleive them, will get you fucked.
i think the we are all equal, and all need love, and all need to be our own masters. then people would see the consequences of their actions. another arguement for pot. let every body smoke, and see if the general schizophrenia rate goes up. every body can drink, and we KNOW it causes liver damage.
the worlds not any better than it ever has been. we are just more aware of it now due to tech stuff. we may be evolving, but as we do, we teach our children to evolve towards being lazy, and needing shiny things, and fake boobies, and climbing the social ladder, ect ect. one of the results of all this crap going on in the world?
fucked up doctors forgetting their hypocratic oath, and lieing by telling people pot causes schizophrenia.
we need a dose in the worlds water supply, or a huge fucking war to kill off half the idiots on this planet so mother earth can have a fighting chance again.
not trying to insult you friend. but please don't feel comfortable. the reason life bitch slaps people so hard is because of how fucked up the world is. and it all started with industrialization and agriculture long long ago. in a tribal based culture, the golden rule rules all. in our culture, the dollar rules all. i'm bored though so i'll stop typing, i find these conversations fun, but pointless. never have i ever felt like i actually changed someones mind about their beliefs, or ever helped them see the light. especially when "the light" is denouncing modern society as being the reason for our biggest woes (aids cancer global warming pollution and the resulting birth defects ecetecetecet) and living a life of danger as you break laws that are unjust at every turn you can.
you should read two books. "Ishmael" and "The story of B" both by Daniel Quinn.
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Re: marijauna does NOT cause schizophrenia, this latest lie HAS to be stopped... [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
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Re: marijauna does NOT cause schizophrenia, this latest lie HAS to be stopped... [Re: MileHiMycophiles]
#12257272 - 03/23/10 06:09 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Rufus May a recovered schizophrenic now clinical psychologist suggests that schizophrenia is caused by various forms of post-traumatic stress. His research shows that listening to and understanding the voices a schizophrenic encounters can be a useful tool in healing the illness. In this sense marijuana could become useful to some schizophrenics depending on how the use is approached. Marijuana increases awareness of unconscious materials, thus increasing the schizophrenic’s awareness of the voices they encounter. The schizophrenic might therefore be able to integrate the voices into consciousness provided the voices are approached from a healthy perspective.
May’s work suggests that integration of unconscious material is the key to successfully recovering from the illness. This approach is also the core of Jung’s work, where he suggests that impulses or hidden thoughts are repressed as the Shadow self. Jung believes that lack of understanding of these unconscious archetypal figures leads to complexes in the personality “what we resist persist”.
In my opinion psychosis or complexes are caused by an unhealthy perspective of unconscious material. This is also emphasized in Humphry Osmond’s work where he collected the biographies of recovered schizophrenics and held that a psychiatrist can only understand the schizophrenic by understanding the rational way the mind makes sense of distorted perceptions. He pursued this idea exploring all avenues to gain insight into the shattered perceptions of schizophrenia, holding that the illness arises primarily from distortions of perception.
This is what Rufus May has to say on the topic of schizophrenia. Keep in mind that he has recovered from the illness:
"I believe people's voices are beings from their unconscious," says May. "We all hear voices in our dreams. We all meet other people in our dreams - sometimes people we know, sometimes they're not known to us or they are other creatures." He says people who hear voices are able to access their dream world when they're awake. "They've got these characters talking to them." He talks to the voices through a kind of role-play adapted from couples' counselling techniques where different "parts" or personalities speak verbatim from a selected chair. May says initially the voices often find him very threatening and do tell the person to hit him or worse. But so far, having spoken to hundreds of voices, it's never happened. "I guess because I'm there to help the person and I'm being respectful. The first thing I teach people is that they don't have to do what the voice says." The other thing May does is the opposite of what happens in exorcisms. He tells the voices he is not trying to get rid of them. When that message gets through he finds the voices often calm down. Though the voices are like nightmare figures, mostly May finds they're trying to protect the person - albeit in a macabre way. "So I don't see them as the enemy. I'm just saying we need to have peace talks with those experiences, not have a war trying to shut them down with medication." May regards most mental health problems as some kind of post-traumatic reaction - be it the trauma of being alone, not having meaning in one's life, or be having been abused. If voices are part of a person and the therapy is designed to get people to accept and understand their voices, how does May go about integrating an evil voice? "It's a destructive voice. I would define evil as causing harm. A destructive energy is a very frightened energy coming from some place of fear. So I don't want to demonise it, I want to understand it." He describes the case of a placating and gentle man who had a an angry, commanding voice telling him to harm himself. "I asked him to ask his voice why he wanted him to harm himself. The voice said, 'to show people how powerful you are'." The man then asked the voice whether, if he was powerful in other ways, he would still have to self-harm. Would the voice be happy if he was powerful in other ways? "The voice said: 'That's what I've been trying to tell you for years'." On face of it, the voice was evil, but what it represented was the man needing to reclaim power in his life.
Sorry for the long arse post. The truth is no one knows what the fuck schizophrenia is, but I think these people are making a pretty decent attempt at understating it.
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Re: marijauna does NOT cause schizophrenia, this latest lie HAS to be stopped... [Re: Novelty]
#12257389 - 03/23/10 06:27 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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schizophrenia scares the fucking shit out of me
it doesn't come from smoking cannabis tho
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Re: marijauna does NOT cause schizophrenia, this latest lie HAS to be stopped... [Re: SummerDaisies]
#12257474 - 03/23/10 06:40 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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Okay TBH I havent read the whole thread because im in a rush to get to work right now. BUT here is a fact. They did a census on all the marijuana trends and psychotic incidences and found that even when marijuana trends were going up psychotic cases stayed at a low 1-2% and in some cases went down when marijuana trends were up.
THis is my theory; You can also compare a country like China where I dont think a lot of people toke because of the harsh death penalty law there and Canada where we have the most abundance of tokers and check the psychotic rates....
I will research my theory when I get back.
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Re: marijauna does NOT cause schizophrenia, this latest lie HAS to be stopped... [Re: Noteworthy]
#12257500 - 03/23/10 06:43 PM (13 years, 10 months ago) |
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MileHiMycophiles said: a guy saying marijauna was a drug. i said no, it's a plant. and well, read on.
This and many other statements are quite irrational in my opinion.
Marijuana is a drug containing plant. You say it is not a drug... well not technically, because marijuana refers to more than the drugs within it (for we can consider marijuana that has had its cannabinoids removed). But whenever people talk about marijuana they are talking about its use in a fashion that delivers the drug within it to the user. Thus it is, functionally, a drug. Unless you were talking about its use as a weed deterrent when implemented in a crop cycle. Or something like that.
Look, Marijuana probably increases the rate of schizophrenia. But so do many other factors in society. The only reason it is a problem if it induces schizophrenia anyway is that the public health service has to take the toll. This society has got to stop protecting people from themselves, and allow people to hurt themselves rather than hurting eachother. But since the govt also has some sort of obligation to take care of people when they are ill, it is unbeneficial to let people hurt themselves, because it costs everyone else. Our legal systems allow us to keep a lot of social order.
But they also lock us into paradigms, because to change fundamental laws could lead to chaos. The powerful people who would do the actual changing could end up making changes that people fear intensely. Even if you don't fear this, plenty of other people do, as there are always those that resist change. Simply due to what they have invested in the current situation. Change is inherently a dilution of their individual investment. Other people, who feel personally involved with the change, praise it and assert it.
EVERY PLANT IN THE WORLD HAS A DRUG IN IT. There is just some drugs that have pronounced effects more than others. Bananas contain the drugs aka amino acids L-Tryptophan L-Tyrosine L-Dopamine, serotonin, 5HTP and 5HT
Schizo rates remained the same when marijauna usage rates were steadily climbing.
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