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Plant evolution and God
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In my research on plants, I was surprised to learn that photosynthesis only utilizes 0.1% of the light energy that reaches the leaves.

Compare this to about 23% for the best human-designed photovoltaics. That is 2300% more efficient than God's handiwork.

The only logical conclusion is:

That God did not design plants.

Or

Man is smarter than God.


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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Man is smarter than plants.


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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: sterbeklang]
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You're comparing Apples to Windows.

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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Optimized systems. More astonishing that such a small percentage is enough.


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'Acceptance is the absolute key - at that moment you gain freedom and you gain power and you gain courage'

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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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You are in some serious need of logic lessons. You are assuming that man and god had the same goals. Perhaps god doesn't care about efficiency. When man can plant a seed and water it and grow a photovoltaic we can talk about how man is smarter than god. Might check your math,too.

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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: Existence]
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You are assuming... Perhaps god doesn't care about efficiency.


Your made up point is not an assumption? :rofl2:

Yes, my math contained a typo. It was supposed to read 23,000% more efficient.


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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Plants are less efficient than photovoltaics does not mean man is smarter than god. You are in error, imperfection must be eliminated. :rofl2:

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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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A plant's light energy utilization level is in perfect harmony with the rest of it's biological processes. Plants can only absorb water and nutrients at a certain rate of speed. The light energy utilization level is the perfect amount to match the plant's rate of water and nutrient absorption. There's no point in photosynthesizing more food than can be consumed.

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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Thanks for yet another useless factoid!


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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: Fractal_Infinity]
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A ferrari is faster than a volkswagon therefore the only logical conclusion is that the designer of the ferrari is smater than the designer of the volkswagon. :slowtard:

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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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It's more efficient to use 2% of the resource. Simple as that.


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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Proponents of adversity are needed in times of assumed perfection.
That's why I love Orgoneconclusion and Icelander

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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: Fraggin]
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Clearly plants are doing something right. They dominate the entire planet, oceans and land, and they've done so for longer than any other organism. They'll outlast any animal species in the event of catastrophe, and their method of existence is basically 100% sustainable.

By those criteria, I think it's safe to say that "God" is indeed "smarter" than us.


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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: laserpig]
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You guys win. We should all use photovoltaics that are only 0.1% efficient even though you would have to cover a parking lot to light a 75 watt bulb.


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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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Nobody is trying to use photosynthesis to create fucking electricity. It's a nearly perfect system for the organisms it evolved in, and you're acting like its inferior because it doesn't do something totally irrelevant to its purpose.


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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: BlueCoyote]
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Optimized systems. More astonishing that such a small percentage is enough


Why would you say that it is optimized? Did you know that 'natural' unselected apples and corn were nearly inedible until humans practiced selective breeding?


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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: laserpig]
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It's a nearly perfect system


So any functional system is nearly perfect?


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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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OrgoneConclusion said:
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It's a nearly perfect system


So any functional system is nearly perfect?


"Perfect" is a slippery term, so I'll retract it. Instead, substitute "completely effective," "very streamlined," whatever. You get my point.

Do you have some beef with photosynthesis? I really don't get what you're driving at here. Through photosynthesis, a tiny seed can grow into a multi-hundred foot tall redwood, the majority of whose structure is composed of carbon compounds created through photosynthesis / CO2 absorbtion. We humans, in terms of our technology, don't have shit which compares to that. Nothing. And photosynthesis accomplishes this with only 0.1% of the available light energy? That's even more fantastic, if you ask me.

If all plants used a large portion of the sun energy striking them, the planet would be a hell of a lot colder. 0.1% is apparently a very good number for their system. It's not like the other 99.9% is "wasted" -- it still goes into the overall ecosystem in which the plants live.

Our perspectives may be irreconcilable, and I may be wasting my words, but I really do believe you've got this wrong. It sounds like your assumption is "if a resource is available, more of it should be used." If that's so, I think the assumption is asinine.

Accomplishing more with less energy usage is the definition of efficiency.


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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: laserpig]
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Do you have some beef with photosynthesis?


Is that a joke?


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Re: Plant evolution and God [Re: laserpig]
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If all plants used a large portion of the sun energy striking them, the planet would be a hell of a lot colder.


Not even close. High shcool physics is enough to counter that nonsense.


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