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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: 04281969]
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Well, I did it. Only 0.2mg per kg, or a half a dose. It was still amazing, in a subtle way.

I had a friend there to make sure everything went OK, but I didn't even need him. It took longer than I expected to kick in, I expected immediate blast off. However, I had time to take out and re-cap the needle myself, and then about 3-4 more seconds before it really hit me.

It seemed very similar to smoking, except no burning throat. I would almost be willing to say smoking is more intense. I'll give a better comparison and trip report later when I do the full 0.4mg per kg.

Now just to clarify, 0.4mg per kg was the dose used by Rick Strassman in the DMT studies that were written about in "The Spirit Molecule" Since I'm using a different salt of DMT it must be mathematically calculated to get an equivalent dose.

:psychsplit:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
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That was disappointing.:sad:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: b0b gnarley]
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On the main forum page this thread comes up as 'Talk me out of shooting...'

WEIRD :toomuchacid:

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: b0b gnarley]
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Well iots better off to start low,  you were safe in the face of certain danger:rofl:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: xshadowmage666x]
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Yeah, even though it was a small does, I was still scared to the point that I was shaking some what when I had the needle in.

Physiologically it didn't have any noticeable bad effects, it just felt like a really clean, low dose DMT trip.

I am very glad I started off small, because now all initial fear is gone. I am fully ready to take the full dose.

But that will come later, I'm not sure why, but I feel I need to wait a few hours between doses.

So after I go catch some fresh air, its time for round two!


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Row, row, row your boat,
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Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,
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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: xshadowmage666x]
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How long do you need to wait before redosing?

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: 04281969]
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An hour-ish


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Entropymancer]
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one to four hours based on dose is whats needed to completely avoid tolerance


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Entropymancer]
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Do It!


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Slave of Cthuluh]
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Damn i thought you were waiting longer than that to redose for some reason, this should be good:rofl:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
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Up the dose, nigga! Get back in the ring :sun:

Next you should try the fumarate.

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
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Pleasant journeys.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: 04281969]
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04281969 said:
It took God all of eternity (since He operates in the infinite) to create all of our souls individually, loves us unconditionally, knows us even in the womb, etc, and it takes Joey Ratz only a couple of years as pontif to send us all to hell.

What a guy.




yeah, he's a creepy sumbitch ain't he?

but drug use wasn't among the mortal sins or whatever they're called, that he recently announced- based on all the coverage I've read


The guy is an idiot anyways.... I don't see how you can justify drug dealing = sin from the bible...


and I bet the language as to what is a drug dealer is pretty loose

So is the pepsi a drug dealer? Phizer? What's the difference? Does the bible recognize a distinction between what the state condones via legislation, and what it does not? It must not, as the use of capital punishment is still a sin...

So I wish I could read the justification of it... but the stupid news stories never cite their sources or show the actual document




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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: johnm214]
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I like this pope's hat better than the traditional one:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Entropymancer]
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If I were the pope and I looked like Satan I would read all sorts of things from the bible that weren't there. Get back at god and whatnot.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: ExplosiveMango]
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'And thou SHALL KILL'
'Thou shalt not NOT kill, lest thou commitist thy deadly sin'


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: ExplosiveMango] * 1
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I have quite a bit of experience with IV DMT.  I convert my synthetic freebase to acetate form with white distilled vinegar.  I've heard that the acetate salt of DMT absorbs the most (or one of the most) efficiently of the salts.  Of course I use sterile glass vials, a .22 micron filter (which is ABSOLUTELY necessary for safety if you are trying to convert the freebase into an injectable solution), and syringes and needles for measuring and filtration.

In my experience, 30mg will put you straight into DMT land (I am 120 pounds).  Doses above that just get more and more intense.
15-20mg is a good "taste" so you will know what you're getting into, and you will be more prepared for the next (presumably higher) dose.

A few seconds after pushing the solution into your vein, you will get a very strange DMT/indole like taste in your mouth for a split second (arm to tongue time) and after that, the taste goes away quickly and off to hyperspace you go.

I quite prefer IV DMT to smoked DMT, as it is much easier to break through and it is more intense.  You will use less DMT to get to where you want to go as compared to smoking.  I usually end up smoking it more often because I don't like to IV frequently, but don't get me wrong, it's amazing.  I just have some solution in an airtight glass vial w/ septum on hand at all times, in case the time calls for it.  And when I just want to "spice" up (no pun intended) an LSD trip, I just take like a 20mg hit out of my Machine...

Of course, when you get into anything to do with needles, you are risking your health more, ESPECIALLY if you don't know EXACTLY what you are doing.  Smoking it is just so much safer, and I don't think this is necessary unless you have a hard time smoking it/breaking through.  If you have never self-administered an intravenous injection of a psychoactive drug before, I wouldn't recommend starting now AT ALL.

I recommend against doing a conversion for most, but if you feel you have to do it, you MUST do it right for safety purposes.  And I wouldn't try to convert DMT that came from an extraction, unless it was extremely clean, but even then there still could be some leftover plant proteins in there (which you don't want in your blood stream ---- danger of anaphalactic shock). 

I have a text file that tells you the exact equipment you need to order and from where (syringes, needles, vials, filters), and also the exact procedure, done right and sterile.  Molar conversions are also included so you know exactly how much vinegar (5% acidity) will be needed to dissolve the amount you want to convert.  I got my solution to 78mg/ml, but that is diluted half with H2O, so you could get it much higher, but the acidity would also be higher.  The solution I make does not burn at all when going into a vein, and I assume that if you used 100% vinegar it would.

So, in the name of harm reduction, I am offering this text file to anyone who seriously wants it and is willing to order the proper equipment and do it correctly...  It is absolutely essential that you follow these instructions exactly when converting DMT freebase powder to a salt for injection (IV or IM), otherwise your solution could end up not sterile, not effective, dangerous, or too acidic, and this would be a serious risk to your safety.  A friend of mine in his third year of medical school helped me compile and add details to the text file, so it IS the right way to do it.  If you want the text file, PM me and I can help you out.  Please do not even think about doing this without a .22 micron filter.

However, you must know, that all of the supplies needed (besides the DMT) will run you at least $20-35, depending on how many filters and sterile vials you buy.  And this price does not include the (obviously necessary) IV/insulin needles...a box of one hundred 1cc x 28g x 1/2" insulin needles will run you $12-15 (one time use only) at the site I ordered all my other stuff from.  So, if you are not willing to spend this (quite small) amount of money to ensure your health and safety during this process, please do not even bother PM'ing me.

P.S. Keep in mind that intramuscular (IM) injections of solutions like this is more dangerous than IV injections.  This is because it sits on your muscle for a while (as opposed to IV where it just disperses into your bloodstream immediately), and if it's not sterile there is a risk of abscesses (especially with repeated administration).  Kind of like how IM'ing black tar heroin is a lot more dangerous than IV administration, due to purity and lack of sterility.  I have heard that IM'ing DMT lasts approx. an hour, but you need much higher doses when compared to smoking/IV'ing, like 100mg.

I hope I helped out or educated at least someone with this post.  If you can break through on DMT from smoking it and do not have a huge problem with smoking it, I wouldn't say that this process is at all necessary.

Happy tripping!
Ryan

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