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OfflineCannashroom
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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #8135975 - 03/12/08 09:19 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know about other contaminants, but you have a significant amount of buffers in your blood, bicarbonate ions and such. As a result any tiny amount of lye I do not think will have any detrimental effect, but I'm no expert, just saying blood is buffered to protect from pH changes, as for solvent contaminants, I couldn't say.


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This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and affection for a few persons nearest us.

Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole nature in its beauty.

Nobody is able to achieve this completely but striving for such achievement is, in itself, a part of the liberation and a foundation for inner security."

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Cannashroom]
    #8136619 - 03/12/08 12:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

well.... did you do it last night?


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: NationofStrangers]
    #8136748 - 03/12/08 12:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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well.... did you do it last night?




He's probably dead.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8136814 - 03/12/08 12:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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reeferaddict69 said:
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NationofStrangers said:
well.... did you do it last night?




He's probably dead.




Would he even know? Or would he just enter DMT world and never come back?  :strokebeard:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8137039 - 03/12/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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NationofStrangers said:
well.... did you do it last night?




He's probably dead.





:rofl2:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: xshadowmage666x]
    #8137371 - 03/12/08 03:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I hope you didnt puss out because I want to hear how it went.

Injecting anything freaks me out and DMT I made myself forget about it.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: xshadowmage666x]
    #8137401 - 03/12/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Isn't smoking it about as intense as it gets?
I'm not sure I understand the desire to shoot it.
Is it that different using a needle?


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: 04281969]
    #8137413 - 03/12/08 03:16 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Isn't smoking it about as intense as it gets?





No, IV anything is about as intense as it gets, straight to the bloodstream.....but I've never IV'd anything myself. Its supposed to hit you faster and harder then all of the other routes of administering a drug.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8137434 - 03/12/08 03:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Actually, I'm pretty sure smoking is technically a more efficient route of administration for most things.

When you inject, the drug travels through your bloodstream back to the heart, gets re-oxygenated, then is exported again carrying the drug to the brain (and elsewhere).

Smoking bypasses the first bloodstream phase; when you smoke, the drug enters your blood during oxygenation, and gets exported directly to the brain. I don't have a reference in front of me, but I think IV takes roughly 50% longer to reach the brain as compared to smoking (both numbers are are low, in the 4-12 second range, as I recall).

But I believe that IV use is more intense per-dose, since not all of the drug will necessarily be taken up in the lungs.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8137439 - 03/12/08 03:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

If I had a chemist make it and a doctor inject it I would shoot DMT but no way would I let me or just anyone near my viens.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8137444 - 03/12/08 03:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Actually, I'm pretty sure smoking is technically a more efficient route of administration for most things.

When you inject, the drug travels through your bloodstream back to the heart, gets re-oxygenated, then is exported again carrying the drug to the brain (and elsewhere).

Smoking bypasses the first bloodstream phase; when you smoke, the drug enters your blood during oxygenation, and gets exported directly to the brain. I don't have a reference in front of me, but I think IV takes roughly 50% longer to reach the brain as compared to smoking (both numbers are are low, in the 4-12 second range, as I recall).

But I believe that IV use is more intense per-dose, since not all of the drug will necessarily be taken up in the lungs.



I think it hits faster but more product is lost in the process.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8137451 - 03/12/08 03:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Just get yourself a DMT tent.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8137632 - 03/12/08 04:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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If I had a chemist make it and a doctor inject it I would shoot DMT but no way would I let me or just anyone near my viens.




ok...

don't go to a hospital or clinic then


just anyone will do a venipuncture for labwork in many states.


I used to do it... guess how I learned? By doing it on people. Its not a skill you learn without doing it, and its not difficult at all.


And guess how doc's learn how to do it?


FYI, I've also done arterial draws, and guess how you learn to do those? Not difficult stuff, bub.


and fyi, a chemist making it would likely have more harmful impurities. Natural extraction is likely better, you don't get all sorts of weird side-reactions going on.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: johnm214]
    #8137659 - 03/12/08 04:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i fear this thread isnt going to deliver....:sad:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: xshadowmage666x]
    #8137668 - 03/12/08 04:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Whats the big deal about this? in the Spirit Molecule Book about DMT they did it with no problem.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: learningtofly]
    #8137711 - 03/12/08 04:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, they were also using 99.9% pure product, which is HUMAN-grade, not just lab-grade.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: DontFearThePeepr]
    #8137748 - 03/12/08 04:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Any careful home chemist can easily purify their DMT to a quality suitable for injection, barring some contaminant with the exact same solubility profile as DMT that can't be removed by charcoal.

I think the decision was fairly arbitrary, but the salt approved for human experimentation is the fumarate salt. It might not be a bad idea to get some fumaric acid and prepare the injectable solution with that rather than HCl.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: DontFearThePeepr]
    #8137759 - 03/12/08 04:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

To the op....chinacats trip report on it is a must read :thumbup:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8137930 - 03/12/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

If you're the same entropymancer that I've read about elsewhere, I can def. take your word for it. You seem genuinely knowledgeable, though I can't be sure about your background.

I just wonder about some of these other people that think it's a good idea, and don't really have much to say to back up what they think they know.

There are some serious risks inherent here. If the OP has any hold-ups about the ordeal, it might just be a bad idea. Plain and simple. However, if this bold and brazen individual possesses the know-how and confidence to pull off such a feat, then I'd say fuckin DO IT UP and don't forget a trip report !!


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: DontFearThePeepr]
    #8137944 - 03/12/08 05:19 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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If you're the same entropymancer that I've read about elsewhere, I can def. take your word for it.




I saw him posting at DMT nexus :kiss:


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