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Talk me into shooting DMT
    #8131839 - 03/11/08 01:17 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

So I have in front of me a solution of DMT hcl in sterile saline, and some fresh needles.

Now all I need is the courage to take the plunge. Thats where you guys come in. I know that I need to do this on my own, I just need a little shove from some of you knowledgeable folks.

Seeing as how I have never IV'ed anything myself before, thats only adding to my apprehension about this whole situation. Now I have read every guide I could find on safe IV drug use, so no need to help me out in the department.

I guess I just need a little kick in the ass to get me to actually go through with this.


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8131912 - 03/11/08 01:35 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

If you do decide to, you are in a wild ride I know that much. It's your choice....

Just don't inject too much, once its in your system it's in your system and there's no turning back. So use caution as to how much you IV, you may regret it. How many cc or mL of solution will you be injecting, or rather, how many mg's are dissolved in this solution? There's a pretty good trip report by chinacat about this I believe, look into that if you haven't already.


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8131995 - 03/11/08 01:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Oh yeah, I've read his trip report, as well as "The Spirit Molecule" cover to cover.

I'm shooting for the famed 0.4 mg per kilogram, which with my solution turns out to be about 40 units, and about 25mg of spice. Now when I say 25mg I mean of the freebase, before it was converted to the HCL.

Thanks for advice on caution, I plan to shoot a half dose, or around 15-20 units first. To test the waters, then if I feel up to it, do the rest a few hours later.


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8132022 - 03/11/08 02:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Just make sure to immediately assume your comfortable position cause you will only have about 5 seconds IF that. No shit. Or at least this is my past experience with junk. About 4 to 5 seconds after injection is complete you will be in another fucking world. Please keep us updated and be safe.

I wish i had more advice to offer but you aint shooting oxy or heroin so i cant recommend anything....just be safe and have fun:cool:

Don't miss the vain please.


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: xshadowmage666x]
    #8132029 - 03/11/08 02:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Only 25 mg? Do 75 like chinacat!


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8132062 - 03/11/08 02:16 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I know your kidding, but man chinacat is hard-motherfucking-core, I know I couldn't handle 75mg IV yet, I mean shit, even HE said it was too intense.

Maybe one day... but probably not

I'm going to start with ~12mg and then go to 25mg if all goes well with the trial.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8132099 - 03/11/08 02:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

unless this is pharm grade, i would never dream of doing it, as much as im/iv dmt intrigues me.

and i seriously, seriously doubt you have pharm grade dimethyl

imagine if there was even the littles bit of lye remaining in the product. the tiniest speck of lye readily burns a hole in the skin, now let's think about what would happen if that happened internally...


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: demiu5]
    #8132187 - 03/11/08 02:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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unless this is pharm grade, i would never dream of doing it, as much as im/iv dmt intrigues me.

and i seriously, seriously doubt you have pharm grade dimethyl

imagine if there was even the littles bit of lye remaining in the product.  the tiniest speck of lye readily burns a hole in the skin, now let's think about what would happen if that happened internally...




Wow i wasnt aware of this...and you make a great point!:thumbup:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: demiu5]
    #8132485 - 03/11/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you for the warning. I too was very wary of this, and all other contaminants.

So I meticulously re-crystallized 3 times. I dissolved in minimal about of hot solvent(bestine) then allowed it to cool until the undissolved sludge at the bottom solidified enough to pour off the DMT rich solvent on top. I then freeze precipitated and filtered. At the end my product was beautiful, shimmering, white, and crystalline.

I was very surprised how much of the original product was left behind in this purification process. I started with a little over a gram, and got it down to 310mg of snow-white, shimmering spice. Now I'm sure a good portion of this waxy yellow stuff left behind is DMT, but I'm glad I'm not going to be shooting any of it.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8132514 - 03/11/08 03:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

You don't need to worry about lye contamination, any that was there will have turned into saltwater upon the addition of HCl.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8132551 - 03/11/08 04:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Do you have somone injecting it for you? If not i do not know if you will be able to recap the needle.  If you have a drawer throw it in ASAP so not to stab yourself.  Otherwise man, i have heard many a good things with this. :laugh: im sure you will be all right!! i REALLY want to do this myself.  DO IT DO IT DOIT :P also make sure you hit the vein, draw some blood back.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: NationofStrangers]
    #8132594 - 03/11/08 04:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

this is crazy.
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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: bmiles]
    #8132634 - 03/11/08 04:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Do it. No Holding back. Tell me how it goes :grin::yourock:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: NationofStrangers]
    #8132641 - 03/11/08 04:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Well, I do plan on doing it by myself. I have one friend who I would trust to do it for me, but he is a recovering heroin addict. He's been clean for over 6 months now, and I really don't think asking him to help me inject something is a good idea. I know another one of my friends is familiar with needles, but I don't exactly trust him enough to do this for me, plus he told me before that he is scared of DMT.

So I think its all going to come down to me doing this myself.

Maybe I should do a trial run with just sterile saline first. Just to get the hang of hitting a vein, and the whole bit.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: boletusoftruth]
    #8132648 - 03/11/08 04:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I want to do this.....smoking is alright but I feel like a tweaker hitting the base pipe.

This way I can feel like a junkie :wink:

Psychedelic junkie :mushroom2:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: boletusoftruth]
    #8132658 - 03/11/08 04:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

:royalrainbow:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8132661 - 03/11/08 04:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

psychedelic junkie, i like dat.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8132675 - 03/11/08 04:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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This way I can feel like a junkie :wink:

Psychedelic junkie :mushroom2:




HAHA when I went to get the syringes, the first pharmacist looked at me like I was some low life, and told me he couldn't sell them to me. The next place didn't ask any questions, except if I wanted store brand generic :grin:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8132686 - 03/11/08 04:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

You'll be fine. Just do it.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8132702 - 03/11/08 04:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Haha, I feel sleazy enough buying a base pipe, I can't imagine the looks you get picking up some syringes.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8132752 - 03/11/08 04:45 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i never understood the public challenge aspect with psychedelic
neither the heckling nor the cheering
it has always been a lone walkabout in the desert for me
none of anybody else's business, neither how much nor when.

be kind/respecful to your self.
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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8132766 - 03/11/08 04:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

Omni said:
This way I can feel like a junkie :wink:

Psychedelic junkie :mushroom2:




HAHA when I went to get the syringes, the first pharmacist looked at me like I was some low life, and told me he couldn't sell them to me. The next place didn't ask any questions, except if I wanted store brand generic :grin:




this is so fucked up


So we want heroin users to share needles?

Its not like you need a needle to use heroin, so they're not preventing shit, they're just making it more liekly someone will share

great policy :thumbup:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: johnm214]
    #8132879 - 03/11/08 05:15 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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this is so fucked up


So we want heroin users to share needles?

Its not like you need a needle to use heroin, so they're not preventing shit, they're just making it more likely someone will share

great policy :thumbup:




I couldn't agree more. Recently I have been reading lots of harm reduction websites to familiarize myself with safe needle use. And they all say the same things that you just said. It really made me want to tell off that pharmacist who wouldn't sell me those needles. You know he goes to sleep at night thinking he's doing the world a favor, saving those 'poor misguided drug users'. Its really a sad day in the world when an obviously educated man like him can go and inadvertently fuck up someone else's life, while thinking they are doing them a favor.

I mean what if I was a junkie, had an old dirty needle in my car, and was so desperate for a fix, that I went right out and shot it with that dirty needle, all because that man thought too highly of himself.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8132910 - 03/11/08 05:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Maybe I should do a trial run with just sterile saline first. Just to get the hang of hitting a vein, and the whole bit.




You'll probably feel something from just doing that, what with the adrenaline and all. haha


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: rushofblood]
    #8132959 - 03/11/08 05:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

so did you do it yet or what homes? i wanna know!!


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: NationofStrangers]
    #8132972 - 03/11/08 05:42 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

No, not yet, I should be doing it sometime tonight.


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8132997 - 03/11/08 05:51 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Is this lab grade DMT, or did you do this extraction by yourself?

DMT is one of two substances I would IV (the other being Ketamine) but I would only IV lab-grade, purity-assured DMT, nothing that was cooked up in a kitchen.


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #8133003 - 03/11/08 05:56 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

It was extracted, but was thoroughly purified, I mentioned a short outline of the process done earlier in the thread.

What I never understood, is there is essentially no difference between lab synthed DMT and extracted. Either can be just as contaminated, its all about the degree to which you purify them.


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8133008 - 03/11/08 05:59 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I just got done reading a McKenna interview in which he said the lab grade DMT he smoked was better than any produced by plant extraction,.


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #8133019 - 03/11/08 06:01 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I just got done reading a McKenna interview in which he said the lab grade DMT he smoked was better than any produced by plant extraction,.




Hey bro can you link this interview? Peace


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #8133020 - 03/11/08 06:01 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I just got done reading a McKenna interview in which he said the lab grade DMT he smoked was better than any produced by plant extraction,.




If you recrystallize and purify a crude product enough it will be on par with so called 'lab-grade' DMT. Plus DMT is DMT.


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8133034 - 03/11/08 06:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Hey bro can you link this interview? 




What he said :smile:


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8133038 - 03/11/08 06:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
I just got done reading a McKenna interview in which he said the lab grade DMT he smoked was better than any produced by plant extraction,.




Hey bro can you link this interview? Peace




It's the appendix to a book called Tripping: An Anthology.


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8133127 - 03/11/08 06:32 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Omni said:
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OneMoreRobot3021 said:
I just got done reading a McKenna interview in which he said the lab grade DMT he smoked was better than any produced by plant extraction,.




If you recrystallize and purify a crude product enough it will be on par with so called 'lab-grade' DMT. Plus DMT is DMT.




yeah, whatever lab grade is it can be attained through recrystallization

Plus, when extracted from plants you'll likely not have too many possibly-harmful adulterants in there


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8133140 - 03/11/08 06:35 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I was very surprised how much of the original product was left behind in this purification process. I started with a little over a gram, and got it down to 310mg of snow-white, shimmering spice. Now I'm sure a good portion of this waxy yellow stuff left behind is DMT, but I'm glad I'm not going to be shooting any of it.



plug dat shit!! :macdre:


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: OneMoreRobot3021]
    #8133152 - 03/11/08 06:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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It's the appendix to a book called Tripping: An Anthology.




Anywhere I can find a PDF version of this?


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8133158 - 03/11/08 06:39 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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It's the appendix to a book called Tripping: An Anthology.




Anywhere I can find a PDF version of this?




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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8133160 - 03/11/08 06:39 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I will search too as i'm interestested,
I'll let you know if i find something.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8133169 - 03/11/08 06:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I was very surprised how much of the original product was left behind in this purification process. I started with a little over a gram, and got it down to 310mg of snow-white, shimmering spice. Now I'm sure a good portion of this waxy yellow stuff left behind is DMT, but I'm glad I'm not going to be shooting any of it.



plug dat shit!! :macdre:




LMAO! you know of all the times I have seem people say to plug DMT I think this might be the only time it is actually legitimate advice. I just might end up trying to plug the slag leftover from re-crystallization.


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8133181 - 03/11/08 06:43 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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In my asshole.




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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8133185 - 03/11/08 06:43 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I've actually been considering this route of ingestion. :yesnod:

Seriously though, how can you call yourself hardcore if you're afraid to stick DMT up your butt?


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    #8133198 - 03/11/08 06:44 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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    #8133202 - 03/11/08 06:44 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Your going to be tripping balls with a needle in your veins, and your going to fall over and rip a vein. :frown:

Please try to take it out before that happens... But for some reason i think you will be blasted off before you have a chance


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    #8133204 - 03/11/08 06:45 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I've actually been considering this route of ingestion. :yesnod:

Seriously though, how can you call yourself hardcore if you're afraid to stick DMT up your butt?




Me too :tinfoil:

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    #8133213 - 03/11/08 06:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i want to try some of this DMT stuff. :yesnod:


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    #8133223 - 03/11/08 06:47 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Your going to be tripping balls with a needle in your veins, and your going to fall over and rip a vein. :frown:

Please try to take it out before that happens... But for some reason i think you will be blasted off before you have a chance




You bring up a good point, which is why you might want to have someone there to administer the drug or at least the remove the needle if it hits you hard and you are disoriented/unable to do it yourself. Its only safe, you never know how you might react to IV DMT the first time around :shrug:


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    #8133261 - 03/11/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Now if it was some type of controlled drop with an IV taped good to your arm that might work? But i dont know about injections that much


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    #8133275 - 03/11/08 06:54 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I think I am going to do it while some one is present, just to make sure I am ok. I don't know anyone who could shoot it for me, but just having a good friend there to make sure I get the needle out, and put out of harms way should reduce my anxiety a lot.

Thanks for all the input everyone, your all playing your part in getting me comfortable enough to go through with this.


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    #8133281 - 03/11/08 06:54 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

use a catheter?


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    #8133303 - 03/11/08 06:58 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

what why the fuck would he use a catheter? I would rather wear a diaper and piss my self then shove a tube up my pee hole...

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    #8133308 - 03/11/08 06:59 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

shoot it yourself, but give your sitter important instructions about how to remove the needle from your arm, if you cant do it yourself..you dont awnt someone reaching in and grabbing a sharp object sticking out of you, if you are not able to recognize it...youi dont want to jerk away and make it worse. SMoke it man..best way


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    #8133318 - 03/11/08 07:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Just make sure the person doesnt think they have to HURRY and pull it out, because they might reach for it fast and SHOVE that shit in deep on accident.... Just let them know they need to just grab it and pull it out normally


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    #8133323 - 03/11/08 07:00 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Thank you for the warning. I too was very wary of this, and all other contaminants.

So I meticulously re-crystallized 3 times. I dissolved in minimal about of hot solvent(bestine) then allowed it to cool until the undissolved sludge at the bottom solidified enough to pour off the DMT rich solvent on top. I then freeze precipitated and filtered. At the end my product was beautiful, shimmering, white, and crystalline.

I was very surprised how much of the original product was left behind in this purification process. I started with a little over a gram, and got it down to 310mg of snow-white, shimmering spice. Now I'm sure a good portion of this waxy yellow stuff left behind is DMT, but I'm glad I'm not going to be shooting any of it.





i'm sorry, but no. unless you have a translucent crystal product (very pretty, btw) your product is still not pure. if you want to go putting that shit in your veins, there's nothing i can do to stop you, but i have a feeling (and i don't want to arouse any possible anxiety/worry if you do decide to go through with this) you are not anywhere near prepared for the physical effects that iv dmt will produce

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    #8133393 - 03/11/08 07:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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use a catheter?




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    #8133417 - 03/11/08 07:13 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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use a catheter?




dmt right up the peehole :rockon:




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    #8133462 - 03/11/08 07:23 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I read somewhere on another board where this dude dissolved 75mg of DMT into some DMSO and rubbed it on his wrist and had a full on breakthrough. I was going to give this a shot, but then the thought of putting any possible impurities directly into my bloodstream freaked me out. The solvents that we use to crystallize our DMT are extremely toxic. I wouldn't do it.


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    #8133477 - 03/11/08 07:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

All hardware store solvents have contaminants in them...

Even with multiple recrystallizations with naphtha it would be a good idea to dissolve into heptane then evaporate the heptane at room temperature over the course of a week or two with no fan.

This will build large clear crystals (assuming your product was good to begin with).

Heptane, though, does leave behind some contaminants as does any solvent.

You can wash the clear crystals with cold acetone and wait for them to dry then run ICE cold water over the crystals very briefly to rinse off any surface residue.

You will loose some yield, but this is the route I would take if I was going to IV some home brewed DMT.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8133547 - 03/11/08 07:39 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I've actually been considering this route of ingestion. :yesnod:

Seriously though, how can you call yourself hardcore if you're afraid to stick DMT up your butt?




I've also been thinking about this. I'm much more afraid of needles, than I am sticking things in my ass. Is anal administration :rotfl: for DMT in a solution like an enema, or do you just put a glove on and shove that shit?


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    #8133555 - 03/11/08 07:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT!

Just kidding... if you do it, do it with care.

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: demiu5]
    #8133556 - 03/11/08 07:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

why would he die cuz he's injecting?

What's different than eating it or rectally administering it? ITs not like your rectum is particularly picky about what it lets into your bloodstream.

Other than the drug itself, the only signifigant problem I see is the issue of sterility.

He didn't synthesise this himself, he extracted it. Presuming he did recrystalisations properly (not evaporating the solvent to dryness, but rather crystalising out of water/ethanol or something) any of the organics and possible inorganics should have been removed. I've done water/EtOH recrystalisations of synthetic products that got me to 99.5%+.

Nothing is guarenteed, and I've never done this, but I dont' imagine its particularly dangerous other than the infection risk, and not much more dangerous than a rectal administration.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8133578 - 03/11/08 07:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Zinglons Acolyte said:
use a catheter?




dmt right up the peehole :rockon:



not what i was talking about... whats the word... its what they use as a port for the IV drip  so they can disconnect the bag without redoing the needle... they tape it into ur vein and it stays there and they put the needle into the end of the tube so they dont have to bother finding a vein or shit

ya i just looked it up, catheter is the right term for this...

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    #8133636 - 03/11/08 07:56 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

A drip you mean? Thats what i said :laugh: you can controll how fast the drop injects into your veins and you tape the needle to your arm and the tubing goes to the bag/drip system. You can crank it up or turn it off


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    #8133655 - 03/11/08 07:58 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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why would he die cuz he's injecting?

What's different than eating it or rectally administering it? ITs not like your rectum is particularly picky about what it lets into your bloodstream.

Other than the drug itself, the only signifigant problem I see is the issue of sterility.

He didn't synthesise this himself, he extracted it. Presuming he did recrystalisations properly (not evaporating the solvent to dryness, but rather crystalising out of water/ethanol or something) any of the organics and possible inorganics should have been removed. I've done water/EtOH recrystalisations of synthetic products that got me to 99.5%+.

Nothing is guarenteed, and I've never done this, but I dont' imagine its particularly dangerous other than the infection risk, and not much more dangerous than a rectal administration.





have you read chinacat's thread? we're talking a guy who has been printed, and eaten copious amounts of drugs at an incredibly high level, who almost had heart failure (read all the symptoms described to him by his wife and you'll see) on a dose of iv dmt. in most of strassman's accounts, the patients all reached very, very high levels of blood pressure. if the body reacted too sporadically (i.e. heart problems, or a drastic spike in body temperature) you're looking at the possibility of some serious health issues including death

as far as oral administration goes, by the time the capsule starts to dissolve, the stomach acids have already begun working (considering they are always present to varying degrees) whereas if he puts an impure product into his veins, there are no acids to neutralize the contaminants


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: demiu5]
    #8133697 - 03/11/08 08:05 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I agree, which is why I sad the drug itself and the infection risk are the main forseeable problems. All these seretonergic hallucinogens can cause circulatory problems. I'd certainly tread slowly.

I'm just saying that an injection vs GI administered dose that reaches a similar plasma concentration is likely similarly safe/dangerous.

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    #8133759 - 03/11/08 08:15 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I just have to ask about those trying to dissuade the poster from injecting due to the potential miniscule impurities...

How many orders of magnitude higher do you think the impurity levels of your average street grade H are?

I'm not saying go ahead and shoot up impure substances... I'm just saying everything is relative, it seems to me like this guy has some good product.


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    #8133780 - 03/11/08 08:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

there isn't lye and/or oil-based solvents in heroin


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    #8133918 - 03/11/08 08:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

You have made some mighty fine points on the side of caution in this thread, but seriously, does any one really know what is in street heroin?

I would say the manufactures and dealers could care less what they put into the product, just as long as it wont immediately kill people.


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    #8133927 - 03/11/08 08:42 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Whatever it is that's extracted from the opium poppy and converted to heroin has to be converted by chemical means though, right?

Possibility for leftover traces and impurities right there.


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    #8133994 - 03/11/08 08:54 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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A drip you mean? Thats what i said :laugh: you can controll how fast the drop injects into your veins and you tape the needle to your arm and the tubing goes to the bag/drip system. You can crank it up or turn it off



a drip minus the bag and drip, u put a syringe in the port and it just acts like a port with a syringe, instead of having to deal with a needle its a needless syringe, so u dont have to worry about stabbing yourself


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    #8134193 - 03/11/08 09:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

This seems like a pretty bad idea.

I think you're going to learn a pretty hard lesson there homie. Things are going to get put into perspective for you, probably bigtime.

Can't say I haven't thought about it myself, but my needle days are over.

Not saying don't do it - just make sure you understand the risks & be smart


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    #8134236 - 03/11/08 09:36 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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there isn't lye and/or oil-based solvents in heroin




couldn't be farther from the truth.

anyway this dude seems like he knows what he's doing, and that his product is 100 million times cleaner and safer than street heroin.

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    #8134316 - 03/11/08 09:50 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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This seems like a pretty bad idea.

I think you're going to learn a pretty hard lesson there homie. Things are going to get put into perspective for you, probably bigtime.

Can't say I haven't thought about it myself, but my needle days are over.

Not saying don't do it - just make sure you understand the risks & be smart



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    #8134371 - 03/11/08 09:58 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i think the safest bet for OP would be to avoid shooting his home-'purified' DMT. leave it either to someone who can produce garunteed pharm-grade DMT and give that to him, or is in an environment where safety is 100% garunteed

i know with the drug world safety is never 100% garunteed in all aspects of recreational use, but if this is moreso recreational use and search of a 'greater high/experience' then it is best left until it is genuinely for research purposes or a self-exploration.

in sometihng as serious as this, it would be best for OP to wait until the conditions are perfect

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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: indica]
    #8134532 - 03/11/08 10:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

This thread makes me wonder where has Crystal G gone?

How hard is it to shoot up a rat? Seems they would have mostly small veins but at least some big enough. May help to solve the contaminate questions anyway. Just a thought.

I doubt there is a problem with the purity. I'm just guessing like most here though. Not being an IV user I can't really speak from experience.

Surely there are people somewhere who have shot up home extracted DMT and can speak out. Or are there?

The DMT NEXUS site comes to mind but I have not checked it out in regards to this. Has anyone else?

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    #8134534 - 03/11/08 10:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

just relax your asshole like you are gonna take a shit, and just poke it up your ass, and kind of rub it against the side wall. IT should absorb. Then make you sure dont take a shit, tila fter you tripped.


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    #8134594 - 03/11/08 10:37 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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just relax your asshole like you are gonna take a shit, and just poke it up your ass, and kind of rub it against the side wall. IT should absorb. Then make you sure dont take a shit, tila fter you tripped.



do this with the extra dmt you have left over.
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    #8134612 - 03/11/08 10:39 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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there isn't lye and/or oil-based solvents in heroin




couldn't be farther from the truth.

anyway this dude seems like he knows what he's doing, and that his product is 100 million times cleaner and safer than street heroin.

if you got a good healthy heart i say go for it.




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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: demiu5]
    #8134976 - 03/11/08 11:49 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

sorry for singling you out there, but it seemed like you were saying that street heroin was cleaner than home baked drugs, which is false.

first of all the heroin and cocaine produced in mexico are made with shit like gasoline, im not too sure about other procedures and what kind of shit they use but im sure its equally nasty.

then you have cuts which people use to make more profit, which i'm sure i don't have to explain. theres a lot of stupid people out there that will cut their product with stupid shit.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #8135975 - 03/12/08 09:19 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I don't know about other contaminants, but you have a significant amount of buffers in your blood, bicarbonate ions and such. As a result any tiny amount of lye I do not think will have any detrimental effect, but I'm no expert, just saying blood is buffered to protect from pH changes, as for solvent contaminants, I couldn't say.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Cannashroom]
    #8136619 - 03/12/08 12:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

well.... did you do it last night?


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    #8136748 - 03/12/08 12:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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well.... did you do it last night?




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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8136814 - 03/12/08 12:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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reeferaddict69 said:
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well.... did you do it last night?




He's probably dead.




Would he even know? Or would he just enter DMT world and never come back?  :strokebeard:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8137039 - 03/12/08 01:45 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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well.... did you do it last night?




He's probably dead.





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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: xshadowmage666x]
    #8137371 - 03/12/08 03:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I hope you didnt puss out because I want to hear how it went.

Injecting anything freaks me out and DMT I made myself forget about it.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: xshadowmage666x]
    #8137401 - 03/12/08 03:12 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Isn't smoking it about as intense as it gets?
I'm not sure I understand the desire to shoot it.
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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: 04281969]
    #8137413 - 03/12/08 03:16 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Isn't smoking it about as intense as it gets?





No, IV anything is about as intense as it gets, straight to the bloodstream.....but I've never IV'd anything myself. Its supposed to hit you faster and harder then all of the other routes of administering a drug.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8137434 - 03/12/08 03:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Actually, I'm pretty sure smoking is technically a more efficient route of administration for most things.

When you inject, the drug travels through your bloodstream back to the heart, gets re-oxygenated, then is exported again carrying the drug to the brain (and elsewhere).

Smoking bypasses the first bloodstream phase; when you smoke, the drug enters your blood during oxygenation, and gets exported directly to the brain. I don't have a reference in front of me, but I think IV takes roughly 50% longer to reach the brain as compared to smoking (both numbers are are low, in the 4-12 second range, as I recall).

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8137439 - 03/12/08 03:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

If I had a chemist make it and a doctor inject it I would shoot DMT but no way would I let me or just anyone near my viens.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8137444 - 03/12/08 03:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Actually, I'm pretty sure smoking is technically a more efficient route of administration for most things.

When you inject, the drug travels through your bloodstream back to the heart, gets re-oxygenated, then is exported again carrying the drug to the brain (and elsewhere).

Smoking bypasses the first bloodstream phase; when you smoke, the drug enters your blood during oxygenation, and gets exported directly to the brain. I don't have a reference in front of me, but I think IV takes roughly 50% longer to reach the brain as compared to smoking (both numbers are are low, in the 4-12 second range, as I recall).

But I believe that IV use is more intense per-dose, since not all of the drug will necessarily be taken up in the lungs.



I think it hits faster but more product is lost in the process.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8137451 - 03/12/08 03:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Just get yourself a DMT tent.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: awesomebastard]
    #8137632 - 03/12/08 04:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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If I had a chemist make it and a doctor inject it I would shoot DMT but no way would I let me or just anyone near my viens.




ok...

don't go to a hospital or clinic then


just anyone will do a venipuncture for labwork in many states.


I used to do it... guess how I learned? By doing it on people. Its not a skill you learn without doing it, and its not difficult at all.


And guess how doc's learn how to do it?


FYI, I've also done arterial draws, and guess how you learn to do those? Not difficult stuff, bub.


and fyi, a chemist making it would likely have more harmful impurities. Natural extraction is likely better, you don't get all sorts of weird side-reactions going on.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: johnm214]
    #8137659 - 03/12/08 04:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i fear this thread isnt going to deliver....:sad:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: xshadowmage666x]
    #8137668 - 03/12/08 04:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Whats the big deal about this? in the Spirit Molecule Book about DMT they did it with no problem.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: learningtofly]
    #8137711 - 03/12/08 04:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, they were also using 99.9% pure product, which is HUMAN-grade, not just lab-grade.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: DontFearThePeepr]
    #8137748 - 03/12/08 04:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Any careful home chemist can easily purify their DMT to a quality suitable for injection, barring some contaminant with the exact same solubility profile as DMT that can't be removed by charcoal.

I think the decision was fairly arbitrary, but the salt approved for human experimentation is the fumarate salt. It might not be a bad idea to get some fumaric acid and prepare the injectable solution with that rather than HCl.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: DontFearThePeepr]
    #8137759 - 03/12/08 04:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

To the op....chinacats trip report on it is a must read :thumbup:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8137930 - 03/12/08 05:14 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

If you're the same entropymancer that I've read about elsewhere, I can def. take your word for it. You seem genuinely knowledgeable, though I can't be sure about your background.

I just wonder about some of these other people that think it's a good idea, and don't really have much to say to back up what they think they know.

There are some serious risks inherent here. If the OP has any hold-ups about the ordeal, it might just be a bad idea. Plain and simple. However, if this bold and brazen individual possesses the know-how and confidence to pull off such a feat, then I'd say fuckin DO IT UP and don't forget a trip report !!


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: DontFearThePeepr]
    #8137944 - 03/12/08 05:19 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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If you're the same entropymancer that I've read about elsewhere, I can def. take your word for it.




I saw him posting at DMT nexus :kiss:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: DontFearThePeepr]
    #8137988 - 03/12/08 05:28 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Hey, just thought thought I would check in because some people were saying I'm probably dead.

I'm not, but I haven't done it yet. Not because I don't want to, or that I'm not going to. I'm fully comfortable with injecting the product that I have, and I'm in good health, so I know I'll be fine.

I just want to take more time to prepare myself. I plan on doing it Saturday morning. In the coming days, I'm going to adhere to a strict exercise, diet, and vitamin routine to fully prepare my body. Add to the plenty of rest and meditation to mentally prepare myself for what I'm about to do.

I want every one to know, I'm not doing this for any reckless reasons, or just to get high. I fully respect DMT and want to get the most out of every experience, that is what led me to the needle to begin with.

I would like to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread, your input is truly cherished.

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: DontFearThePeepr]
    #8138036 - 03/12/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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If you're the same entropymancer that I've read about elsewhere, I can def. take your word for it. You seem genuinely knowledgeable, though I can't be sure about your background.




Yeah, I'm the same entropymancer that you may see from time to time on mycotopia and the dmt nexus. There may be a different entropymancer on entheogen.com, but I think it's more likely it's an old account of mine that I can't figure out the password to.

As to my background, I'm in the fourth year of university majoring in Biochemistry, so there are some others here probably more knowledgeable than I am, but I do put effort into learning and understanding as much as I can about psychedelics and pharmacology in general.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8138172 - 03/12/08 06:17 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Has anyone here ever dissolved some DMT into DMSO, Dimethyl Sulfoxide, and rubbed it on their skin? I've heard it works real well. I think I would be more apt to do that then to bang it.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: muistrue]
    #8138191 - 03/12/08 06:24 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Is Dimethyl Sulfoxide the solvent that makes all (maybe not ALL) alkaloids skin soluble or whatever?


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #8138204 - 03/12/08 06:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Sure is. I've heard, never done it, that if you mix it with a dose of DMT, then rub it on your skin, the experience is similar to IV. Fast come up, intense peak, rapid comedown.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: muistrue]
    #8138215 - 03/12/08 06:30 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Are there any written accounts of this anywhere? You've caught my interest :strokebeard:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8138227 - 03/12/08 06:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I'd like to take a dive into a tub filled with salvinorin extracted into DMSO. :crazy2:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8138249 - 03/12/08 06:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

The only time I've ever heard of it was some dude at another forum posted about it. He said it worked so good that he will never smoke again.

http://forums.mycotopia.net/botanicals-cactus-misc-entheogens-psychedelics/29702-dosing-dmt-dmso.html


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Thulsa Doom]
    #8138283 - 03/12/08 06:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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just relax your asshole like you are gonna take a shit, and just poke it up your ass, and kind of rub it against the side wall. IT should absorb. Then make you sure dont take a shit, tila fter you tripped.




Hahahahhahhaha :thumbup:

I find that set of directions hilarious.

P.S.

IS anal DMT something people actually do? I thought it was a government conspiracy\hoax\propoganda type deal. Well not really, but has anyone here done it?


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    #8138292 - 03/12/08 06:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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IS anal DMT something people actually do? 




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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8138312 - 03/12/08 06:53 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

It is a traditional method of administration used by the indigenous peoples of South America.

It's also the #1 Mac Approved Method for DMT consumption

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8138325 - 03/12/08 06:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

DMT: The Shamanic Colonic
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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: muistrue]
    #8138335 - 03/12/08 06:59 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Hm, I think I've read about this stuff being used in conjunction with lsd. Allegedly, it didn't work so the dude came up with this idea that Dr. Hoffman had a spontaneous religious experience when he started to trip for the first time. Apparently, he also brought this up to Dr. Hoffman who replied:

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Albert Hoffman said:
Ehhh, maybe..?




After going through that mycotopia thread, I think I might want to try this...shudder at buttblasting dmt :nonono:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: muistrue]
    #8138352 - 03/12/08 07:01 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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The only time I've ever heard of it was some dude at another forum posted about it. He said it worked so good that he will never smoke again.

http://forums.mycotopia.net/botanicals-cactus-misc-entheogens-psychedelics/29702-dosing-dmt-dmso.html




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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8138355 - 03/12/08 07:02 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH in that video did you find it ironic that at 6:18 she said

"Then all of a sudden it just slammed me!"

It slammed her... up the ass...

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: boletusoftruth]
    #8138942 - 03/12/08 08:42 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I wanted to clarify that through recrystalisation you can generally, but not always, get to a very pure product.

I said before that it was a way you can get a high purity product, I mean can as in its possible, even likely, but not guarenteed.

Just depends.

That said, I still don't think this is very risky except for
1. the effects of the drug itself
2. and the infection risk


as long as you build up to an appropriate dose, recognizing you'll have a higher peak concentration than with probably all other methods, you'll probably be cool


But its not my ass on the line, so verify what needs verifying.

but with solids, you can usually tell its good purity just by the macroscopic crystalline structure/ color. Course once it gets into the high 90's it all looks the same. And all sorts of poisinous things look the same as DMT...


I just wouldn't be too concerned about purity when you're injecting a plant-derived product as opposed to a synthetic product with god knows what in there.


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    #8139033 - 03/12/08 08:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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DMT: The Shamanic Colonic
:lol:



omg that chick is fucking annoying... i could barely sit through 2 minutes before wanting to slap her with my dick


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8139155 - 03/12/08 09:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I'm definately going to look into DMSO as a route of administration now. The immediately obvious question is about dosage.

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Taharka]
    #8139173 - 03/12/08 09:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm definately going to look into DMSO as a route of administration now. The immediately obvious question is about dosage.

Good luck on your voyage!




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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8139182 - 03/12/08 09:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm definately going to look into DMSO as a route of administration now. The immediately obvious question is about dosage.

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8139246 - 03/12/08 09:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm definately going to look into DMSO as a route of administration now. The immediately obvious question is about dosage.

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: 2end4]
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I'm definately going to look into DMSO as a route of administration now. The immediately obvious question is about dosage.

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8139512 - 03/12/08 10:17 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Hey, just thought thought I would check in because some people were saying I'm probably dead.

I'm not, but I haven't done it yet. Not because I don't want to, or that I'm not going to. I'm fully comfortable with injecting the product that I have, and I'm in good health, so I know I'll be fine.

I just want to take more time to prepare myself. I plan on doing it Saturday morning. In the coming days, I'm going to adhere to a strict exercise, diet, and vitamin routine to fully prepare my body. Add to the plenty of rest and meditation to mentally prepare myself for what I'm about to do.

I want every one to know, I'm not doing this for any reckless reasons, or just to get high. I fully respect DMT and want to get the most out of every experience, that is what led me to the needle to begin with.

I would like to thank everyone who has contributed to this thread, your input is truly cherished.

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: johnm214]
    #8139521 - 03/12/08 10:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I wanted to clarify that through recrystalisation you can generally, but not always, get to a very pure product.

I said before that it was a way you can get a high purity product, I mean can as in its possible, even likely, but not guarenteed.

Just depends.

That said, I still don't think this is very risky except for
1. the effects of the drug itself
2. and the infection risk


as long as you build up to an appropriate dose, recognizing you'll have a higher peak concentration than with probably all other methods, you'll probably be cool


But its not my ass on the line, so verify what needs verifying.

but with solids, you can usually tell its good purity just by the macroscopic crystalline structure/ color. Course once it gets into the high 90's it all looks the same. And all sorts of poisinous things look the same as DMT...


I just wouldn't be too concerned about purity when you're injecting a plant-derived product as opposed to a synthetic product with god knows what in there.




That all pretty well sums up my thoughts too.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8139549 - 03/12/08 10:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

i am very interested to hear about your experience once everything is said and done with. i couldnt imagine what iving dmt would be like... smoking it blows me away enough as it is. i doubt i will ever have the balls to do it though, i seriously HATE needles. they freak me out. anyway, best of luck to you.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8140607 - 03/13/08 08:57 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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It is a traditional method of administration used by the indigenous peoples of South America.




I wonder who the crazy bastard was sticking things up his but to figured that one out.

Or, is this another one of those "plug it" joke responses? Because, I thought the traditional method was ayahuasca.



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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: 04281969]
    #8140723 - 03/13/08 09:46 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Probably a medicine man with really bad indigestion/constipation. I figure he was grilling hard when he started to sense a demon in his bowels that could only be expunged by a yopo enema.

Edit: And no, that wasn't just a "Plug it" joke. A lot of literature lumps together the plants used as snuffs and those that have been administered as enemas or cluysters, since there's such a broad overlap of the categories.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8142318 - 03/13/08 05:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I'll plug you till you love me faggot!


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: MayorMcCheese]
    #8142667 - 03/13/08 06:22 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

That coming from the guy with cheesy buns.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: 04281969]
    #8142693 - 03/13/08 06:30 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

plugging is a good method if you want to avoid nausea and purge from maois

i dont see why people seem to buy into the stigma, when they are blatanly offing another stigma by using drugs to begin with :rofl:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8142900 - 03/13/08 07:18 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yea, the pope just declared taking drugs a deadly sin too.
(Apparently he got a news flash from God.)
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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: 04281969]
    #8143116 - 03/13/08 07:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Yea, the pope just declared taking drugs a deadly sin too.
(Apparently he got a news flash from God.)
So, watch your back...



i guess im lucky that im gnostic, not catholic :lol:

that new pope is a douche anyways, i disliked him the instant i heard him speaking
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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8143210 - 03/13/08 08:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Yea, the pope just declared taking drugs a deadly sin too.
(Apparently he got a news flash from God.)
So, watch your back...



i guess im lucky that im gnostic, not catholic :lol:

that new pope is a douche anyways, i disliked him the instant i heard him speaking
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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
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    #8143896 - 03/13/08 10:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Religion...bahh





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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: xshadowmage666x]
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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: MayorMcCheese]
    #8145189 - 03/14/08 08:38 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

It took God all of eternity (since He operates in the infinite) to create all of our souls individually, loves us unconditionally, knows us even in the womb, etc, and it takes Joey Ratz only a couple of years as pontif to send us all to hell.

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: 04281969]
    #8145222 - 03/14/08 08:54 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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It took God all of eternity (since He operates in the infinite) to create all of our souls individually, loves us unconditionally, knows us even in the womb, etc, and it takes Joey Ratz only a couple of years as pontif to send us all to hell. 

What a guy.





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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8145247 - 03/14/08 09:11 AM (15 years, 10 months ago)

That right there is enough reason to try the spirit molecule DMT.
Go where the Pope can only philosophize about.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: 04281969]
    #8149590 - 03/15/08 01:54 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Well, I did it. Only 0.2mg per kg, or a half a dose. It was still amazing, in a subtle way.

I had a friend there to make sure everything went OK, but I didn't even need him. It took longer than I expected to kick in, I expected immediate blast off. However, I had time to take out and re-cap the needle myself, and then about 3-4 more seconds before it really hit me.

It seemed very similar to smoking, except no burning throat. I would almost be willing to say smoking is more intense. I'll give a better comparison and trip report later when I do the full 0.4mg per kg.

Now just to clarify, 0.4mg per kg was the dose used by Rick Strassman in the DMT studies that were written about in "The Spirit Molecule" Since I'm using a different salt of DMT it must be mathematically calculated to get an equivalent dose.

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8149663 - 03/15/08 02:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

That was disappointing.:sad:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: b0b gnarley]
    #8149674 - 03/15/08 02:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

On the main forum page this thread comes up as 'Talk me out of shooting...'

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: b0b gnarley]
    #8149676 - 03/15/08 02:11 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Well iots better off to start low,  you were safe in the face of certain danger:rofl:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: xshadowmage666x]
    #8149709 - 03/15/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, even though it was a small does, I was still scared to the point that I was shaking some what when I had the needle in.

Physiologically it didn't have any noticeable bad effects, it just felt like a really clean, low dose DMT trip.

I am very glad I started off small, because now all initial fear is gone. I am fully ready to take the full dose.

But that will come later, I'm not sure why, but I feel I need to wait a few hours between doses.

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: xshadowmage666x]
    #8149720 - 03/15/08 02:21 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

How long do you need to wait before redosing?


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    #8149808 - 03/15/08 02:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

An hour-ish


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    #8150349 - 03/15/08 05:22 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

one to four hours based on dose is whats needed to completely avoid tolerance


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8150392 - 03/15/08 05:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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    #8150626 - 03/15/08 06:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Damn i thought you were waiting longer than that to redose for some reason, this should be good:rofl:


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    #8150644 - 03/15/08 06:30 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Up the dose, nigga! Get back in the ring :sun:

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    #8150934 - 03/15/08 07:38 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: 04281969]
    #8151306 - 03/15/08 09:10 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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It took God all of eternity (since He operates in the infinite) to create all of our souls individually, loves us unconditionally, knows us even in the womb, etc, and it takes Joey Ratz only a couple of years as pontif to send us all to hell.

What a guy.






yeah, he's a creepy sumbitch ain't he?

but drug use wasn't among the mortal sins or whatever they're called, that he recently announced- based on all the coverage I've read


The guy is an idiot anyways.... I don't see how you can justify drug dealing = sin from the bible...


and I bet the language as to what is a drug dealer is pretty loose

So is the pepsi a drug dealer? Phizer? What's the difference? Does the bible recognize a distinction between what the state condones via legislation, and what it does not? It must not, as the use of capital punishment is still a sin...

So I wish I could read the justification of it... but the stupid news stories never cite their sources or show the actual document





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    #8151400 - 03/15/08 09:25 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I like this pope's hat better than the traditional one:


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    #8151505 - 03/15/08 09:42 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

If I were the pope and I looked like Satan I would read all sorts of things from the bible that weren't there. Get back at god and whatnot.


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    #8151515 - 03/15/08 09:43 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

'And thou SHALL KILL'
'Thou shalt not NOT kill, lest thou commitist thy deadly sin'


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    #9716766 - 02/01/09 11:02 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I have quite a bit of experience with IV DMT.  I convert my synthetic freebase to acetate form with white distilled vinegar.  I've heard that the acetate salt of DMT absorbs the most (or one of the most) efficiently of the salts.  Of course I use sterile glass vials, a .22 micron filter (which is ABSOLUTELY necessary for safety if you are trying to convert the freebase into an injectable solution), and syringes and needles for measuring and filtration.

In my experience, 30mg will put you straight into DMT land (I am 120 pounds).  Doses above that just get more and more intense.
15-20mg is a good "taste" so you will know what you're getting into, and you will be more prepared for the next (presumably higher) dose.

A few seconds after pushing the solution into your vein, you will get a very strange DMT/indole like taste in your mouth for a split second (arm to tongue time) and after that, the taste goes away quickly and off to hyperspace you go.

I quite prefer IV DMT to smoked DMT, as it is much easier to break through and it is more intense.  You will use less DMT to get to where you want to go as compared to smoking.  I usually end up smoking it more often because I don't like to IV frequently, but don't get me wrong, it's amazing.  I just have some solution in an airtight glass vial w/ septum on hand at all times, in case the time calls for it.  And when I just want to "spice" up (no pun intended) an LSD trip, I just take like a 20mg hit out of my Machine...

Of course, when you get into anything to do with needles, you are risking your health more, ESPECIALLY if you don't know EXACTLY what you are doing.  Smoking it is just so much safer, and I don't think this is necessary unless you have a hard time smoking it/breaking through.  If you have never self-administered an intravenous injection of a psychoactive drug before, I wouldn't recommend starting now AT ALL.

I recommend against doing a conversion for most, but if you feel you have to do it, you MUST do it right for safety purposes.  And I wouldn't try to convert DMT that came from an extraction, unless it was extremely clean, but even then there still could be some leftover plant proteins in there (which you don't want in your blood stream ---- danger of anaphalactic shock). 

I have a text file that tells you the exact equipment you need to order and from where (syringes, needles, vials, filters), and also the exact procedure, done right and sterile.  Molar conversions are also included so you know exactly how much vinegar (5% acidity) will be needed to dissolve the amount you want to convert.  I got my solution to 78mg/ml, but that is diluted half with H2O, so you could get it much higher, but the acidity would also be higher.  The solution I make does not burn at all when going into a vein, and I assume that if you used 100% vinegar it would.

So, in the name of harm reduction, I am offering this text file to anyone who seriously wants it and is willing to order the proper equipment and do it correctly...  It is absolutely essential that you follow these instructions exactly when converting DMT freebase powder to a salt for injection (IV or IM), otherwise your solution could end up not sterile, not effective, dangerous, or too acidic, and this would be a serious risk to your safety.  A friend of mine in his third year of medical school helped me compile and add details to the text file, so it IS the right way to do it.  If you want the text file, PM me and I can help you out.  Please do not even think about doing this without a .22 micron filter.

However, you must know, that all of the supplies needed (besides the DMT) will run you at least $20-35, depending on how many filters and sterile vials you buy.  And this price does not include the (obviously necessary) IV/insulin needles...a box of one hundred 1cc x 28g x 1/2" insulin needles will run you $12-15 (one time use only) at the site I ordered all my other stuff from.  So, if you are not willing to spend this (quite small) amount of money to ensure your health and safety during this process, please do not even bother PM'ing me.

P.S. Keep in mind that intramuscular (IM) injections of solutions like this is more dangerous than IV injections.  This is because it sits on your muscle for a while (as opposed to IV where it just disperses into your bloodstream immediately), and if it's not sterile there is a risk of abscesses (especially with repeated administration).  Kind of like how IM'ing black tar heroin is a lot more dangerous than IV administration, due to purity and lack of sterility.  I have heard that IM'ing DMT lasts approx. an hour, but you need much higher doses when compared to smoking/IV'ing, like 100mg.

I hope I helped out or educated at least someone with this post.  If you can break through on DMT from smoking it and do not have a huge problem with smoking it, I wouldn't say that this process is at all necessary.

Happy tripping!
Ryan


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