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IV DMT Revisited * 12
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It was almost a year ago that I swore I would never IV DMT again. Do to my curiousity to penetrate further I ignored the reasons I  swore off IVing this powerful psychedelic.

Last night:
Sweat started to bead on my forehead as I looked at the syringe that held 75mg. of DMT. I had been shaking all afternoon thinking about the experiance to come. After my kids were safley in bed I told my wife of my intentions and headed into the den. She gave me the look a mother gives her child when he does something playfully foolish. As I layed on the couch in the den I pondered why I chose 75mg. This was to be the highest dose I  IV'd in my 20 year relationship with this drug. I decided to get on with it because the longer I waited the more my anxiety increased. I called my wife in and said it was time.

As soon as the plunger was down I could taste the DMT. It tasted as though it all went directly to my mouth. I then thought that mabye I did too much. As with many other psychedelic sessions I thought ohh well now is as good as any time to die.That was the last thought I had. It hit me with the full force of a comet hitting a planet. The first flash of it was amazing. I could feel the energy penetrate my central nervous system. It sent shock waves through every neuron and cell in my body. I felt something pull me as though I was being sucked up and out of my body. I was being shot through levels of visions ,but was moving so fast I didn't have time enjoy them.

I was totally gone. Then I came to a place were I started to slow down. I felt kind of uncomfortable because I could tell I was not alone. Then this worm appeared in a greasy mechanics jumpsuit and said not to worry they were just checking under the hood and making some adjustments. Then I heard laughter. After that I traveled further on. After this point I can't really describe what went down. All I can say is the universe is so, so fucking vast. We havn't a clue as to the immensity of it.

Having ego death is one thing, but this was so much more. Ego death was just the begining. DMT allows us to travel to other worlds that our wildest imaginations couldn't even fathom. I would blast into a plane and there would be a celabration.
The were so happy to have company. I remember hearing this language that was totally estatic. Every sound caused exstacy. Everything was at such a high rate of speed that I couldn't cling and stay in any place for more than a moment. So much information. I felt as if it didn't matter to them if "I" processed the info. It was being recorded on a molecular level.

I started to come down about 400 years later. As I decended I was able to enjoy the visual planes I was unable to see on the way up. On the way up I felt like a bullet flying through a cartoon matrix of beautiful scenery. On the way down I was going much slower. I clould feel my wifes hand on my forehead. As I finally came down I was a feather floating gently to the ground.

When I opened my eyes I could see my wife and tears in her eyes. She said that about 2 minutes in my pulse was to high to count. She could see my viens bulging. I have high BP as it is and I imagine it really shot up because I had a headache later on. She just stared at me and I couldn't say a thing. It took awhile before I could talk again. She asked me about it and I said nothing. I just couldn't find the words. She seamed very concerned that I could have had a stroke. She gave me a kiss and said "I hope you found what you were looking for". This comment of hers set off a long time of processing exactly what I was looking for and what I found. I concluded I was looking for astonishment and I had gotten it tenfold.

So for now I will swear off IVing DMT and just smoking it during mushroom trips. If I ever do IV it again it won't be 75mg. When I smoke it on mushrooms I seem to get more info from the experiance. IVing it is so intense that the only thing you learn is you don't have a clue. Its like throwing yourself on a psychedelic grenade. Too much info too fast.

As the night wore on I started to feal very shakey and weak. My head was pounding and I felt that as I had pushed myself to far. It was a psychedelic electrocution. I was left astounded and unable to comprehend what had happened. Today I feel better, but unconnected to everyday reality. I go through to motions of my day ,but part of me is still gasping at what happened. Last night I was watching CNN since I couldn't sleep and they were talking about the space program. I had to grin at the thought of my experiance and how many billions of dollars they spend. Walking on Mars wouldn't be anything compared to DMT.

So after nearlly 20 years using this substance in different methods and amounts I would say I reached my limit. I will continue to use DMT a few times a year, but not at this intensity. Last year I shot 50mg. and was blown away. After 75mg. I dare not venture further. :gd_icon:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72] * 1
    #2342771 -

Amazing...


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72] * 1
    #2343005 -

That's crazy, man.  I'll be smoking it for my first time tomorrow provided I don't chicken out.  :crazy:  I think I feel more nervous than anything.  Sounds like the wildest ride there is.  Nice report :smile:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72] * 1
    #2343069 -

.....speechless


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"Limitless undying love which shines around me like a million suns - it calls me on and on across the universe" ~ John Lennon

"Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right" ~The Grateful Dead

"Religionists, with their guaranteed eventual paradise, of which they know nothing, taking it all on 'faith,' can't be expected to understand or sympathize with those with a yen to storm the Gate of Heaven and see for themselves what all the praying's about!" ~Robert Hunter

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: ekomstop] * 1
    #2343089 -

Don't be nervous man. Smoking it is not nearly as intense as slaming it. Smoking it is a very good way to get the full effect. Its intense, but IV is just fuckin crazy. :nut:

My prefered method is to smoke 50mg. after the peak of a shroom trip. This alows me to get more out of the experiance. I'm able to stay up longer and its not as big of a shock because I'm already high and open from the mushrooms. :mushroom2:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72] * 1
    #2343109 -

dude chinacat

you are fuckin insane

(i mean that in a good way though)  :tongue: :lol:


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:shocked: *Divine Moments of Truth* :shocked:


"Limitless undying love which shines around me like a million suns - it calls me on and on across the universe" ~ John Lennon

"Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right" ~The Grateful Dead

"Religionists, with their guaranteed eventual paradise, of which they know nothing, taking it all on 'faith,' can't be expected to understand or sympathize with those with a yen to storm the Gate of Heaven and see for themselves what all the praying's about!" ~Robert Hunter

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72] * 1
    #2343129 -

awesome report. I liked this line:
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I concluded I was looking for astonishment and I had gotten it tenfold.


sounds like 50mg is the sweetspot

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72] * 1
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chinacat72 said:
As soon as the plunger was down I could taste the DMT.


is it anyway similar to that nasty burning plastic taste, or is that smoke only?


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:shocked: *Divine Moments of Truth* :shocked:


"Limitless undying love which shines around me like a million suns - it calls me on and on across the universe" ~ John Lennon

"Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right" ~The Grateful Dead

"Religionists, with their guaranteed eventual paradise, of which they know nothing, taking it all on 'faith,' can't be expected to understand or sympathize with those with a yen to storm the Gate of Heaven and see for themselves what all the praying's about!" ~Robert Hunter

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72] * 1
    #2343179 -

that must have been an amazing experience. is it like you're completely thrown out of this world and into another?


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72] * 1
    #2343183 -

Good to hear :smile: I'm hoping it wont be too bad. 50mg's is what I have, should be a good dose. I'm just a little shy I guess because I've been anticipating trying the big bang for so long, and now all of the sudden I can.  From what I hear 50mg can be quite a shocker for a first timer.  Should be interesting to say the least :smile:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Help on the Way] * 1
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is it anyway similar to that nasty burning plastic taste, or is that smoke only?


Not as bad ,but it was about the same taste. Really strong taste, but smoking it is worse. It was like I sprayed it in my mouth and coated my tatse buds with it. :tongue: :nut:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72] * 1
    #2343230 -

Thats is just crazy!! I don't think I'd want to mess with needles for anything. Dude IV DMT ... WTF, just smoked sounds far beyond anything! I really want to experience DMT, but I'd be anxious as fuck before smoking it.

Whats it like when you smoke it while your on mush?


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: telamahooka] * 1
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telamahooka said:
that must have been an amazing experience. is it like you're completely thrown out of this world and into another?


Its like being ripped out of this world and killed and then your soul travles through thousands of other worlds. The universe is so infinite. If a UFO crashed into my neighbors house tonight I would be less amazed than what I saw last night.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: barfightlard] * 1
    #2343342 -

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Whats it like when you smoke it while your on mush?


Its very good. This is my current method of tripping. I usually eat 4-5 grams in tea and about 2-3 hours later(post peak) smoke the DMT. The two synergize perfectly. Since I am already ego free from the mushrooms I am able to fly through the DMT realms with ease. It allows me to be completly enveloped by the DMT without the shellshock of just DMT alone. The mushrooms are a primer sort of. By being ego free and open I am able to travel further without the shock and I stay high twice as long as just using DMT alone. This in turn allows me to get more out of the experiance. Its more theraputic like ayahausca this way. DMT alone isn't very theraputic, but more of a thrill ride. Theres just so much there to see that its hard to really leave with anything but your jaw left on the floor. By mixing it with mushrooms I can "get more out of it".

Due to my age and lifestyle I prefer my trips short and sweet. Mushrooms and DMT allow me to be completly blasted into energy and back in 6 hours. Getting that high on LSD would require me to eat so much that I would be burnt for days.
I only trip 2-3 times a year for spirtual purposes.(I might do some acid at a show or some DMT for fun). For getting "work" done my prescription is mushrooms and DMT. The combo never fails and keeps me content for months afterwards.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72] * 1
    #2343413 -

thats wierd that the taste is there even if you dont smoke it, i wonder why that is

have you ever IMed DMT? how does it compare to smoking and iv?


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"Limitless undying love which shines around me like a million suns - it calls me on and on across the universe" ~ John Lennon

"Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right" ~The Grateful Dead

"Religionists, with their guaranteed eventual paradise, of which they know nothing, taking it all on 'faith,' can't be expected to understand or sympathize with those with a yen to storm the Gate of Heaven and see for themselves what all the praying's about!" ~Robert Hunter

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Help on the Way] * 1
    #2343448 -

I imagine its becuase of the DMT in the blood circulating through the viens in the mouth and sinuses. I have noticed when I shot other drugs that have a strong taste/oder that you can taste it. Nothing as strong as DMT though.

I never tried it IM. I figure it would probably be wasteful since all the DMT wouldn't hit you at once. IM injections take a little bit to get into the bloodstream. I think I read somewere its not very good. With a short acting drug like DMT you want the complete amount of the drug to hit you at once to break through.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72] * 1
    #2343534 -

...Wow...that sounds absolutely nuts! You are one brave soul chinacat!

I'm going to be trying smoked DMT sometime relatively soon. Is there anything you would recommend to somewhat prepare myself for such an intense experience?

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72] * 1
    #2343543 -

Wow, that is probably the hardest trip on dmt i've heard of! I can imagine how blown away you would be to the point of not being able to understand anything at all. I wish i could get that much in a dose by smoking it, because i don't like injecting anything in myself. I can't even usually get 50mg smoked before i can't function properly enough to smoke another hit. Anybody have any reccomendations on how to get a big dose in my smoking it? Thanks, peace


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: anarchyhollow] * 1
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KindaDank: My advice is just to have your mind open for anything, because your first experience cannot even be prepared for. Don't be nervous about it, because there really isn't anything to be nervous about. Just let whatever happens, happen and accept it. Peace


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72] * 1
    #2343579 -

I bet IM injections probably get broken down more by the blood brain barrier because it doesnt all come at once. anyways.... Awesome report chinacat  :thumbup: :tongue2:  I've only indulged in ayahuasca and freebase spice. I've always wanted to try iv though especially after reading rick strassmans book and of course after i heard you talking about it.  you might of already awnsered this but how exactly would you compare freebase dmt to IV?? its hard for me to imagine anything stronger than a freebase dmt flash.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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Very nice. I don't even think I've lost my ego yet, let alone, anything close to DMT. Though someday I hope, someday. I am really amazed by what I hear about DMT, even more intrigued. Have any of you read the Cosmic Serpent?


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
    #2344403 -

Wow! that sounds exremely intense!  I have only done psilocybin cubesis shrooms 3 times so far, but that was about 10 years ago...I have done LSD about 10 times total and have done DXM many times as well..but I would have to try smoking DMT sometime but I want to trip on shrooms again, it has been a long time since I done any psycheldelic...it is about time to shroom again aftyer all I'm in my early 30's and need to have a fun time again...I smoke herb a lot but I want to have some real fun...nice trip report!  :wink:  BTW  how old were you the first time you tried DMT??  just wondering...(you dont have to tell me if you don't want to...that is okay)  


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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"Everything was at such a high rate of speed that I couldn't cling and stay in any place for more than a moment. So much information. I felt as if it didn't matter to them if "I" processed the info. It was being recorded on a molecular level."

!! Thank you :smile:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
    #2344457 -

applause people!!!
:thumbup:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: FrankieJustTrypt]
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Wow man. Sounds like you lived enough life for all of us there.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: kindadank]
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Quote:

I'm going to be trying smoked DMT sometime relatively soon.  Is there anything you would recommend to somewhat prepare myself for such an intense experience?



Try to relax beforehand(I know this is easier said then done. Lie down on your back when you do it obviosly and if you have a really cool person in your life(like my wife) that is cool with such things have them present. You probably won't need them, but there presence and comfort can ease pre-trip anxiety. And remember beforehand that it last's only minutes(of course you transend time).
Approach this sacrament with respect and an open mind and you will be fine.
Best of luck. :gd_icon:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: anarchyhollow]
    #2344571 -

Quote:
Anybody have any reccomendations on how to get a big dose in my smoking it? Thanks, peace


I smoke it in a hash oil pipe and that works well. You want to heat it
carefully. It takes awhile to get good at it. The idea is to heat it enough
to vaporize it and not burn it. You want to do it at enough of a rate of
speed so you can completly fill your lungs with smoke. After you exhale immediatly take another hit before taking another breath. Then repeat a
third time if possible. I doubt you'll be able to go a fourth and you should
have gotten it all by then. The main point is not to torch it and burn it
becuase it wastes it and to get every bit of it in your lungs.
After some practice you will get your technique down. :gd_icon:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
    #2344582 -

Also be ready for the taste... like burning plastic. (At least for extractions... I assume synthetic has the same flavor.)


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Infrared]
    #2344583 -

Quote:
you might of already awnsered this but how exactly would you compare freebase dmt to IV?? its hard for me to imagine anything stronger than a freebase dmt flash.



Even though smoking DMT is a very, very powerful experiance
IVing it is more powerful. A vetren DMT smoker can get a very good
dose of DMT and a strong flash. However IVing it provides a blast
that is noticably stronger. I imagine it hits your brain all at once
compared to smoking.Even though smoking hits you very quick it
still has to be absorbed through your lung cappilaries to reach
your bloodstream and since your taking multiple tokes it isn't
one solid blast.
With IVing the full amount of the drug hits your brain at once.
Even though these to routes of intake are probably only a few
seconds apart in how fast the FULL amount of the drug hits you,
it's still enough to make a huge difference.

When you smoke you hold the first hit and it starts to work its
way to the brain and then the second hit and then the third. Even
though smoking is an extremly fast way to get the full amount of
a drug into your bloodstream its not as fast as IV when your
taking multiple hits via smoking( at least with DMT). Also a very
important factor is that when you IV the full amount of the drug
enters your boodstream at once. When you smoke some of the drug may
not get inhaled and some of it might not absorb before you exhale.
Some may be destoyed during heating. I believe these are very
important factors, especially with a extremely fast acting drug
like DMT. If you put 75mg. of DMT(or any drug) in a syringe thats how much is going to hit you. Also with a dose like 75mg. it might require 4 hits to get
that much with proper smoking techniques. I have found that 3 hits
is the most I can take.

I will go back to smoking it and back to 50mg. Thats enough to give
me a complete breakthrough. 75mg IV'd was too much for me to get
a view of most of the realms I was passing through till I started to
come down.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: scott2004bc]
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Quote:

BTW how old were you the first time you tried DMT?? just wondering...(you dont have to tell me if you don't want to...that is okay)



I was in my late teens(after high school) and I was in a campground o
Dead tour.My first experiance was very weak in comparison to later experiances. I saw stuff like angels dancing on a pin and very geometric visions, but nothing compared to what I would experiance later on.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Seuss]
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Seuss said:
Also be ready for the taste... like burning plastic. (At least for extractions... I assume synthetic has the same flavor.)



Even though I have never used extracted DMT I would assume it tastes just as bad since DMT is DMT wether lab made or natural. The extract may taste a little different though since it wouldn't be pure and some of the other material would add to the flavor.

Anybody have experiance with synthetic and extracted that can give us a comparison.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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sounds like an amazing experiance :cool:
I'm going to try dmt soon again. tried it only once, a pretty low dose too but had some very nice visuals. I remember I was really nervous but after the first toke I completely calmed down.

next time I'll try a full dose :laugh:

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She said that about 2 minutes in my pulse was to high to count. She could see my viens bulging.


watch out with that man. I know you know what you're doing but this sounds pretty dangerous.
take care

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: stefan]
    #2345549 -

WOW!
damn chinacat
u r one crazy fuck

glad u had a safe journey
i got scared twords the end, thought we may have lost u
im definetly gonna get around to tryin dmt one of these days
great report man
as usual, everything u right is amazing :laugh:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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Wow, how very interesting. Thanks a lot for sharing bro, 'tis appreciated.

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DMT allows us to travel to other worlds that our wildest imaginations couldn't even fathom. I would blast into a plane and there would be a celabration.
The were so happy to have company.


Y' ever wonder what 'they' are? are they within you or other-worldly.. or both? sounds near-impossible to describe with language. Thanks again


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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I haven't really noticed much of a taste (haven't tried extracted..).

KackleDude had asked "Y' ever wonder what 'they' are? are they within you or other-worldly.. or both?"

heh its hard to tell what's within me and what isn't, but I've on multiple occasions had the feeling that "they" were even more excited that the DMT "worked" than I was..

lol but as soon as I start to come back down its like "haha they? 'THEY?' wtf there's no they ha that was all me" so yeah once again its hard to say where I stop and the external world begins


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
    #2348491 -

is my mouth suppose to water when I read this report! :laugh:


to bad i have a fear of needles.  I find that crazy the taste of DMT is still felt in the mouth with IV.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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that was one good trip story... i bet that was so intense and awsome but it was just as good as reading it:-D


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: TheKid04]
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"it was just as good as reading it"

sorry; impossible


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well [Re: Strumpling]
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it was a complement to how well he wrote it...


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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  I gave it a shot yesterday and again today.  The visuals I witnessed both times were BEAUTIFUL!!  Obviously not as intense as your IV dose, but I was quite happy with both experiences.  Smoking it was tricky the first time, I wasn't totally sure what I was doing, and I ended up melting a good ammount of it, but I did get off.  Second time around I realized how it should be smoked, and got a few good hits down.  It didn't really taste as bad as I had expected, it was tollerable.  Unfortunately, I don't think I broke though, either time.  No problem, though, I am happy I was atleast able to get my feet wet.  I was surprised at how 'real/natural' feeling the experiences were.. As Strumpling said, it's hard to say if what I was seeing/encountering was just me or if it was actually some kind of external something.  Either way, there definitely seemed to be some kind of interaction between 'it' and myself.

I'm really looking forward to exploring deeper into the vail next time.  :thumbup:  :thumbup:


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Re: well [Re: TheKid04]
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ok I'm sorry for pointing out your false statement, and now that you've clarified, I agree - this report was very well written indeed.

Ekom, take your time :wink: There's absolutely no rush with this stuff. As is implied by ChinaCat, one could spend several lifetimes with this stuff and still not really be able to express what happens with it.

edit: Shpongle, anyone? hehe anybody who's interested in DMT should listen VERY CLOSELY to Shpongle at CD quality for a taste of the sonic phenomenon that occurs - IMO Shpongle externalizes the experience way better than Mckenna ever did


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: KackleDude]
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KackleDude said:
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DMT allows us to travel to other worlds that our wildest imaginations couldn't even fathom. I would blast into a plane and there would be a celabration.
The were so happy to have company.


Y' ever wonder what 'they' are? are they within you or other-worldly.. or both? sounds near-impossible to describe with language. Thanks again


China - I think ive read that you disliked salvia because it was too rough. Ill agree, but still will explore furthur.

Anyways,

I was wondering about what you think about the "other worlds?" Im going on an assumption that you believe they are continuous dimensions which you've been allowed into for a short while - any elaboration on that? How do these realms exist? What are they? ...

The reason i ask, is because i believe that salvia is the gateway into another continuous realm - although its more like chaos, my experiences have all shared have really made me think tremendously about this - and im not quite sure what i believe.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: PDU]
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> and im not quite sure what i believe.

Don't loose that attitude.  :smile:  After all the years of different experiences I have had, it all boils down to that... I'm not quite sure what to believe.  For me, the realization that I simply will never know has been a blessing in disguise.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Seuss]
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I think IV DMT has just made its way on to my 'Things to do before I die' list :smile:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Whiteh]
    #2354177 -

I want to try DMT sooo bad. After you have the right dmt containing material the extraction is not that hard is it? Sounds like a drug that I would enjoy a lot. Peace.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: RespectTheFungus]
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> After you have the right dmt containing material the extraction is not that hard is it?

I honestly prefer the drink over the smoke.  I have never IVd, so I can't say one way or another there.  The drink is absolutely horrid tasting... by far the worst tasting thing I have ever put into my body, but the trip is worth it.  The smoke is easier to take, but the trip is closer to being shot out of a cannon.  I like the nice, slow, long lasting mellow way the drink takes me.  Either way, the DMT extraction is probably one of the easist, safest, most rewarding "kitchen chemistry" things one can do.  Just be sure that it is legal in your area... I wouldn't want anybody getting in trouble for something I recommended.  :smile:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: PDU]
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China - I think ive read that you disliked salvia because it was too rough.


I dislike salivia becuase I gain absolutaly nothing from the experiance. I found nothing valuable in it at all. It's intense and mindbending, but in the end it's worthless to me. With a chemical like DMT available salivia is a waste of my time.

Quote:
I was wondering about what you think about the "other worlds?" Im going on an assumption that you believe they are continuous dimensions which you've been allowed into for a short while - any elaboration on that? How do these realms exist? What are they? ...


I'm not sure how to answer these questions. Are these realms real? Yes just as real as this physical one. There is really no way to get any footing on these realms and how or why they exist. Coming back into this plane you lose alot of info and are just left with the knowlege that what we see in our everyday reality and what exists are very different. DMT is a special psychedelic. While having ego-death is a very important and life changing experiance, DMT offers us more.
It allows us to see that there is so infinitly much more than this simple plane of existance.

You don't leave with any keys or any secret recipes that will solve our riddles. Instead it humbles you by showing you that the universe(inner+outer) is a much bigger place then our inadequate minds can grasp.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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I only really enjoy salvia when I smoke it with somebody else, because suddenly I'm there and they appear in the same place! it feels much more "objective" or rather "collectively subjective" or something heh


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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chinacat72 said:
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I'm not sure how to answer these questions. Are these realms real? Yes just as real as this physical one. There is really no way to get any footing on these realms and how or why they exist. Coming back into this plane you lose alot of info and are just left with the knowlege that what we see in our everyday reality and what exists are very different. DMT is a special psychedelic. While having ego-death is a very important and life changing experiance, DMT offers us more.
It allows us to see that there is so infinitly much more than this simple plane of existance.

You don't leave with any keys or any secret recipes that will solve our riddles. Instead it humbles you by showing you that the universe(inner+outer) is a much bigger place then our inadequate minds can grasp.


That is exactly what my first comprehension shattering salvia experience did to me. Im not sure if im humbled, but im definately aware of the other physical planes of existance - and the salvia plane redefined how i perceived reality, because what i was offered was an extensive explanation for the fabric of reality as i know it - stunning as it was.

Lastly, Do you think of the salvia realm to be continuous like DMT, or this only me - i havent got too much feedback from anyone on that, and i have such extensive beliefs about it.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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dant triptoo hard anymore just smoke it...i think shrooms are potent enogh..keep it cool!!


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: scott2004bc]
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umm.................what?


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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Wow that is about the time I first experienced psychedelics...I wanna try DMT on a shroom trip...I am going to experience LSD here again soon after all it has been 9 years since I done a trippy drug!! heheh!


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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that is an amazing report, it's good to be dwarfed once in a while, it makes you appreciate the simple things in life. Watch your health, play it safe... better have a life time of a little less extreme trips than have a coupld of mind-blowing ones that end up killing you.... in my oppinion you can gain more from the "weaker" ones in the long term than from the really wicked ones if they kill you :-D

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: scott2004bc]
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wow i find that i gain the most from salvia than almost any other drug
granted i have yet to eeriance dmt
but salvia sends me to difrent worlds and introduses me to incredible beings
usualy on salvia i have a great conection with nature and i feel as if mother earth is speaking to me
i have changed many of my habbits because of salvia experiances


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Infrared]
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DeepBlue42 said:
umm.................what?


Lol. You totally posted my thoughts on that reply for me. Thanks

And I agreee. The "Things I do before I die" list is updated for me as well. Maybe if I'm like..90, and I can't walk, I'll just IV 100Mg, figure out infinity, and then die taking the secret with me  :lol:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: freddurgan]
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That's funny freddurgan, i thought of almost the exact same thing :tongue: Was even thinking 100mg!


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: anarchyhollow]
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I've always thought that when I get wheelchair bound, is when I'm going to go all out. Might as well!


I think the idea of knowing that you're not going to unlock all the secerts of the universe is certainly a relief, mainly because it means we can always be in wonderment at it. There's always more to explore and experince. I guess that's the price of infinity. Sure, it's scary, but I think that fear is a bit misleading. There's always the thought "what if it gets worse", but I think everything's ok, long term.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Twirling]
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Quote:
Its like throwing yourself on a psychedelic grenade

- Chinacat

word :laugh:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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Chinacat:
Did you always use 5-meo-dmt, or extracted. I have heard major differences between the 2.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Staypuft]
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I never use 5 meo-DMT. I use synthetic n,n DMT(real DMT).
I bought a gram of 5 meo DMT years ago and after trying it flushed the rest down the toilet. 5 meo-DMT is complete crap compared to n,n DMT. In fact there is no comparison between the two. There not even similar experiance wise.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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Whoa, i just read the extraction methods and they seem intimidating. So many materials are need=/, i think i will be waiting on DMT for a bit until it's possible for me to do all that.

Thanks for the response Chinacat


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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Double post=/


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Staypuft]
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It is possible to extract n,n DMT and get a smokable product.
I have never done it becuase I would rather smoke the pure lab made stuff.
I would never advise anybody to inject any extract they made no matter how pure they think it is.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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haha 75 is alot, . have you tried to IM instead of IV sometimes? i was wondering if there is a reason not to IM dmt or something only

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: shriek]
    #2381179 -

Read above we covered that.
I also noticed that Dr. Strassman didn't get good results from IM during his research in NM.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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chinacat72 said:
I would never advise anybody to inject any extract they made no matter how pure they think it is.


I agree with you on this for sure. Just wondering tho... what COULD happen if someone did? Don't interpret this as me hiding behind a hypothetical question thinking I'm going to do it. I don't even want to do DMT right now in my life. Maybe much much later.

Would it kill you?


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: the free thinker]
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It has the potential to do great harm. Injecting a extract would include injecting other substances other then DMT. These substances could potentialy damage blood vessels, plug microvessels in the brain leading to stroke, and a million other scenerios. It would depend on exactly what was contained in the extract besides the DMT. Extracts probably are not very clean ,even if there crystalized. If your going to shoot and extract and you believe you have it purified sufficiently I would advise running it through a GC/MS to be sure.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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chinacat how do you aquire your synthetic dmt. Don't want any detailed info or anything I'm just interested. :P

edit: sorry I was abit blunt, but I was just wondering if you are involved in chemistry yourself or a just another gnome you know.

Edited by Merkaba (03/04/04 05:49 AM)

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Merkin]
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did u really just ask that


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"Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right" ~The Grateful Dead

"Religionists, with their guaranteed eventual paradise, of which they know nothing, taking it all on 'faith,' can't be expected to understand or sympathize with those with a yen to storm the Gate of Heaven and see for themselves what all the praying's about!" ~Robert Hunter

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
    #2382703 -

I have read all the material on DMT that I can get my hands on and have as of yet never even come in contact, in the flesh, with anyone who has even heard of it. Poor souls. I have read and studied reports for about 3 years now with no chance of experience in sight. I feel like a parched baby with a photo album of lactating breasts.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Adreamer323]
    #2382712 -

extraction :wink:


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"Limitless undying love which shines around me like a million suns - it calls me on and on across the universe" ~ John Lennon

"Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right" ~The Grateful Dead

"Religionists, with their guaranteed eventual paradise, of which they know nothing, taking it all on 'faith,' can't be expected to understand or sympathize with those with a yen to storm the Gate of Heaven and see for themselves what all the praying's about!" ~Robert Hunter

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
    #2382726 -

Chinacat, you ever IV DPT?

(with 36 mg, i.v.) "This was administered as a sterile solution of the fumarate salt, so the actual weight of the drug used is somewhat less. This was a very intense experience, every bit as powerful as this amount of DMT." ~Tikhal


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"Limitless undying love which shines around me like a million suns - it calls me on and on across the universe" ~ John Lennon

"Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right" ~The Grateful Dead

"Religionists, with their guaranteed eventual paradise, of which they know nothing, taking it all on 'faith,' can't be expected to understand or sympathize with those with a yen to storm the Gate of Heaven and see for themselves what all the praying's about!" ~Robert Hunter

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
    #2397268 -

Should anyone even be injecting a "Freebase".Is there a way to make an injectable form of DMT from a freebase?

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Pinhead]
    #2399356 -

obviously there is a way to make DMT injectable, monkeyboy

www.google.com rick strassman


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
    #2399550 -

Dude man... you are crazy. You're like a psychedelic surfer always looking for a bigger wave, but your waves are fucking off the hinges. Dude... I'm speechless.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Strumpling]
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Strumpling said:
obviously there is a way to make DMT injectable, monkeyboy

www.google.com rick strassman


That was'nt what I asked...But thanks for the reply anyways,I guess.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Pinhead]
    #2402867 -

There was a specific post on DMT World a while back that detailed the exact process one would have to go through in order to turn the freebase into injectable form. Maybe whenever the site comes back up you can check it out. If I'm not mistaken jtryptamine actually wrote it, but maybe not. I know it is there though.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: kindadank]
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Is DMT scheduled?

I have looked at a few papers on how to extract it, but have not found anything on synthetic DMT. Could anyone point me to something that deals with DMT synthesis? If I were to do it, I would prefer to use synthetic, since it is more pure.

Also, could you post a little more on proper smoking technique.

Thanks.


P.S.
I'm not sure if my second question is against the rules. If it is, please let me know and I will delete it.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: FirstAvailable]
    #3855036 -

DMT enthusiasts should read Rick Strassman's book on DMT

"DMT" by Rick Strassman, all about IV dosages of DMT, in a laboratory setting. his reasearch was done in the early 90's, funded by the state of new mexico i believe. First of it's kind since it's banning in the 70s.

Very interesting book.

Nice write up chinacat, I applause your insanity. Stay weird.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Seril]
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DMT is schedualed.

to smoke DMT, you need a crack pipe.. available at any headshop. DMT needs to be burned at high temperatures to release it's effects... UNLIKE marijuana. Get a glass crackpipe, and a fierce flame...

crackpipes are usually sold as "oil pipes" and can be used for anything smokable really, some folks really do use them for THC honey oil, and other aromatics.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Seril]
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That is so crazy. I'm not sure if I would ever want to do DMT because it would be so hard to process afterword and make my life seem so pointless trivial and infinitely small. I think there are definately some good reasons to maintain the illusion of our little microcosms here on earth.


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2. "We were feeling pretty good so we decided to smoke a few bowls..."
3. "I had to be real quiet because my parents were asleep upstairs..."

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3855171 -

could you elaborate a little on the "oil pipe". I did a search, both google and froogle, and couldn't find anything. Also, how do I go about smoking it? Just heat with butane torch until enough vapor builds up, then suck? Some pics would be great if you could.

Thanks, and sorry for asking such dumb and basic questions, but I'm sure others out there are wondering, and I haven't been able to find the answers to these anywhere.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: FirstAvailable]
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I wanted to say two things CC72, first, your posts are amongst my favorite reads ever, right along the seventies subliminal seduction and covert CIA thought warfare, anarchy cookbooks and poor mans james bond. Ie., you rock! And here's my question, how have you integrated the psychedelic experience into your ontology,epistemology, and ethics. Truely Dude, should you publish a novel called meetings with inner ufos, or inner eye on the dakini tribes, or something I'll buy.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Divided_Sky]
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Divided_Sky said:
That is so crazy. I'm not sure if I would ever want to do DMT because it would be so hard to process afterword and make my life seem so pointless trivial and infinitely small. I think there are definately some good reasons to maintain the illusion of our little microcosms here on earth.


You squash your own power and individualism with such thoughts.

Im undecided on the *goodness* of our illusions.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Divided_Sky]
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Divided_Sky said:
That is so crazy. I'm not sure if I would ever want to do DMT because it would be so hard to process afterword and make my life seem so pointless trivial and infinitely small. I think there are definately some good reasons to maintain the illusion of our little microcosms here on earth.


for me personally, it did the opposite
i mean, yea its very hard to process afterwards

but it showed me that the universe is incredibly huge and unbelievable, and life and death and existence are amazing
even though us humans are incredibly small....something BIG is going on with existence and every little thing is an important part of it

at least thats how i feel, others may disagree


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"Limitless undying love which shines around me like a million suns - it calls me on and on across the universe" ~ John Lennon

"Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right" ~The Grateful Dead

"Religionists, with their guaranteed eventual paradise, of which they know nothing, taking it all on 'faith,' can't be expected to understand or sympathize with those with a yen to storm the Gate of Heaven and see for themselves what all the praying's about!" ~Robert Hunter

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Help on the Way]
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I can see that. I suppose which way you go with it has to do with your own disposition.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Divided_Sky]
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But don't be fooled into thinking it is one way or the other.
It is both and yet neither too. It is all of these.
That is what it means to live in the Universe.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: mecreateme]
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The original post here is very interesting.

Quote:
I started to come down about 400 years later.


Damn... Can you expand on the profundity of that? Did it really seem like 400 years? I've been thinking about time perception and also reading about how hallucinogens can make time space out. I remember on LSD thinking that five minutes was like an hour so at least conceptually I can see the possibility of what you're saying. Assuming that what you're saying is not an exaggeration do you feel in a sober frame of mind enough connection with the time spent in the DMT trip to where you actually feel like you lived for 400 years in another universe? I know that drug experiences are often next to ineffable but if you could I'd like any thoughts you have about or descriptions of the passage of time during your trip or even the concept of time in general based on what you've learned from this experience. Thank you.


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You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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hah, i cant speak for chinacat,
but when i did DMT, i was gone and traveling other worlds for a  very long time....so long i forgot earth and my life existed, definitely seemed like i was gone longer than i'd lived on earth

the weirdest part is when i came back, after long ago surrendering any ties to earth....coming back and realizing this place still existed and i was back to being a human being on this planet....

i almost shit a brick :smile:
only thing i could do was lay there and say "OMG" for like 10 minutes

but thats just my experience

Edit:  i only smoked it though, i bet IVing would seem way longer


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:shocked: *Divine Moments of Truth* :shocked:


"Limitless undying love which shines around me like a million suns - it calls me on and on across the universe" ~ John Lennon

"Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right" ~The Grateful Dead

"Religionists, with their guaranteed eventual paradise, of which they know nothing, taking it all on 'faith,' can't be expected to understand or sympathize with those with a yen to storm the Gate of Heaven and see for themselves what all the praying's about!" ~Robert Hunter

Edited by Slipknot420 (03/04/05 06:25 PM)

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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I just saw this thread tonight.

Words: Stay with us. Your presence is needed.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Help on the Way]
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Slipknot420 said:
hah, i cant speak for chinacat,
but when i did DMT, i was gone and traveling other worlds for a  very long time....so long i forgot earth and my life existed, definitely seemed like i was gone longer than i'd lived on earth

the weirdest part is when i came back, after long ago surrendering any ties to earth....coming back and realizing this place still existed and i was back to being a human being on this planet....

i almost shit a brick :smile:
only thing i could do was lay there and say "OMG" for like 10 minutes

but thats just my experience

Edit:  i only smoked it though, i bet IVing would seem way longer


Maybe someday, you'll wake up on some different planet and realize that Earth and DMT were just a big hallucination from some other drug.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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Whoa that would be fuckin insane

i wonder if in the end i would have considered it a good or bad trip


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"Limitless undying love which shines around me like a million suns - it calls me on and on across the universe" ~ John Lennon

"Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right" ~The Grateful Dead

"Religionists, with their guaranteed eventual paradise, of which they know nothing, taking it all on 'faith,' can't be expected to understand or sympathize with those with a yen to storm the Gate of Heaven and see for themselves what all the praying's about!" ~Robert Hunter

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Help on the Way]
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good is bad and bad is good :wink:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Infrared]
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word


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:shocked: *Divine Moments of Truth* :shocked:


"Limitless undying love which shines around me like a million suns - it calls me on and on across the universe" ~ John Lennon

"Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right" ~The Grateful Dead

"Religionists, with their guaranteed eventual paradise, of which they know nothing, taking it all on 'faith,' can't be expected to understand or sympathize with those with a yen to storm the Gate of Heaven and see for themselves what all the praying's about!" ~Robert Hunter

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Infrared]
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Dat is da truth.

Maybe we will all wake up from the drugs that are each other? Drugs the old friend who comes through all the galaxies with us God Children, oh the ride, oh the game. Let us repeat this one again... :mushroom2:


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You are everything's way of feeling itself.

Happy Schwag, everygodly!

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Help on the Way]
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Slipknot420 said:
only thing i could do was lay there and say "OMG" for like 10 minutes


Any time I say OMG while tripping I have this strange guilty feeling for assuming the God was mine, that I'm ignoring other Gods. Usually I won't say it again after that.

Interesting thread :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: lIllIIIllIlIIlIlIIllIllIIl]
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yeh get your own god! This one is mine!... no not that one, this one! the one and only. You know the one im talking about right?

erm... anyway this is a real interesting thread!


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Look, let me explain something. I'm not Mr. Lebowski; you're Mr. Lebowski.
I'm the Dude. So that's what you  call me.  That, or Duder.  His  Dudeness.
Or El Duderino, if, you know, you're not into the whole brevity thing.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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TheFakeSunRa said:
The original post here is very interesting.

Quote:
I started to come down about 400 years later.


Damn... Can you expand on the profundity of that? Did it really seem like 400 years? I've been thinking about time perception and also reading about how hallucinogens can make time space out. I remember on LSD thinking that five minutes was like an hour so at least conceptually I can see the possibility of what you're saying. Assuming that what you're saying is not an exaggeration do you feel in a sober frame of mind enough connection with the time spent in the DMT trip to where you actually feel like you lived for 400 years in another universe? I know that drug experiences are often next to ineffable but if you could I'd like any thoughts you have about or descriptions of the passage of time during your trip or even the concept of time in general based on what you've learned from this experience. Thank you.


It's cool that you should mention that. there are a few current theories floating around the theoretical physics circuit that say that time is an artificial concept created by people, and fundamentally, there really is no such thing as time.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: FirstAvailable]
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any acid head coulda told you that :wink:


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:shocked: *Divine Moments of Truth* :shocked:


"Limitless undying love which shines around me like a million suns - it calls me on and on across the universe" ~ John Lennon

"Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right" ~The Grateful Dead

"Religionists, with their guaranteed eventual paradise, of which they know nothing, taking it all on 'faith,' can't be expected to understand or sympathize with those with a yen to storm the Gate of Heaven and see for themselves what all the praying's about!" ~Robert Hunter

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: eve69]
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Quote:
how have you integrated the psychedelic experience into your ontology,epistemology, and ethics


The experiance's have totaly influenced my perspective, beliefs and ethics.
My beliefs stem directly from what is gleaned from peak psychedelic experiances. I have more faith in the info provided from these experiances then anything learned from this limited plane of reality of everyday conciousness.


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Some rise
Some fall
Some climb
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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
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TheFakeSunRa said:
The original post here is very interesting.

Quote:
I started to come down about 400 years later.


Damn... Can you expand on the profundity of that? Did it really seem like 400 years?


The 400 years was meant to mean that the experience of DMT gives more of an experience in 10 minutes then i could have gained in 400 years of normal life.
Also I wanted to elude to the fact that DMT is outside of time. Time isn't a factor or a parameter in the DMT experience. DMT gives the impression that time is really a feeble, fragile concept for our minds to perceive the world.
I can't really explain this any better. Once time is transcended you realize it's really a weird concept. On a DMT flash one can experience multiple, lifetimes, worlds, experiences and existences all at the same time. time just melts in this context.


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Some climb
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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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whats wierd is when u come back and the rules of time start applying again


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:shocked: *Divine Moments of Truth* :shocked:


"Limitless undying love which shines around me like a million suns - it calls me on and on across the universe" ~ John Lennon

"Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right" ~The Grateful Dead

"Religionists, with their guaranteed eventual paradise, of which they know nothing, taking it all on 'faith,' can't be expected to understand or sympathize with those with a yen to storm the Gate of Heaven and see for themselves what all the praying's about!" ~Robert Hunter

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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damn that sounds interestng. I've experienced time dilation plenty but never like that.


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Look, let me explain something. I'm not Mr. Lebowski; you're Mr. Lebowski.
I'm the Dude. So that's what you  call me.  That, or Duder.  His  Dudeness.
Or El Duderino, if, you know, you're not into the whole brevity thing.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: el_duderino]
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life sucks now. i want out :laugh: (jk)

no really, why do we even exist on this plane, if there is simply so much more to learn elsewhere. it all seems so trivial. "we work jobs we hate to buy stuff we don't need." i mean, that pretty much sums up my life, other than getting smashed on the weekends.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: orichalc]
    #3901537 -

on a sidenote: this probably sums up my thoughts.

i can only imagine what it is like to imagine what you imagined.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: orichalc]
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But your imagining is still not the thing he imagined, it is the thing you imagined he imagined. So many lines in, things start to get jumbled.


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No ONE wants to know the ultimate TRUTH, as soon as YOU find IT out, YOU want to forget IT.

You are everything's way of feeling itself.

Happy Schwag, everygodly!

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: mecreateme]
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(to people back a page or 2 talking about earth etc. being a trip)

I was on a shroom trip after we had a small bit of salvia and we were walking around outside preparing for the trip and suddenly one of my friends goes "So salvias good then?" I asummed that what had been the last 2 hours was a salvia trip, that was a mental mindfuck..

Also recently DMT has captured me immensly, I decided this will be my chem to research and I'm going to hopefully try some within time when it comes to me. I can only just sit and pray now that I am one day gifted with this godly device.

Thanks for the good read, one of the best I've read so far :smile:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Shroomehlouah]
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Well unlike LSD you can make it come to you by doing an extract of different plant materials that you can obtain. Here a start on your research. erowid dmt vault

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: lonebuddha]
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I've read the entire of the vault now, except for all the reports, just most. I think I'll go with the ayahusaca potion to start off with and then smoke low doses then go all the way(all in good time)


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Shroomehlouah]
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i have done this also. ive done it three times. unknown doses each time. chinacat explains it way better than i can. i had a very similar expirience. i remember traveling very very fast without my body and what was my field of vision here on earthlost its verticle hold and what was left was shattering fractels. the second and third time i mixed it with opiates in order to keep myself on the ground physically.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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Bump for all-time awesomeness.


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Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.

-Erik Davis

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Infrared]
    #9730037 -

Isn't IV only safe when you have the purest of all DMT?

You should probably give a disclaimer like that because people may try this =-O

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Angel_Above]
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Thanks for the bump, what a interesting report and poster :sun:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: andrewss]
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I :heart: chinacat

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Justice_Fish]
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That guy is my psychedelic hero.
I hope to see a "china" cat, when I trip :yesnod:


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I honor the place in you in which the entire universe dwells. I honor the place in you which is of love. of truth. of light, and of peace. When you are in that place in you and I am in that place in me. We are one.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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That is badass :trippnballs:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Dimethyltryptamine]
    #15271332 -

Only IV anything you are willing to risk your life on. Smokable DMT is a far cry from how pure you should get it to be for IVing it.

Basic method is to take DMT freebase extract and do no less than 3 AB workups on it using USP or ACS lab grade chemicals. The final extraction solvent also needs to be a bio-friendly organic solvent like ethylether. The purified DMT freebase then must be dried to constant weight and dissolved in slight excess citric or fumaric acid to PH of about 6. This solution is then diluted to an appropriate neutral salinity and tonicity using very pure saline solution and lab grade distilled water. Careful attention needs to be paid to the mg per ml volumetric concentration. Shoot for about 30mg/ml DMT/saline.


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"Love one another." "To Love is to know me." "Love is the Law, Love under Will." "In Compassion, all sorrows end." Regardless of the Master, the message is the same- Choose love and you shall live, Choose Fear and you shall die. Help bring peace to this Earth: Love one another, and serve others before yourself.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
    #15656273 -

That's incredible man!!:eek:  Maybe one day i will get to experience such a thing


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"It seems that all this life, was just a dream"

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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I don't care how old the post is, it was a truly AMAZING read. It even reminded me of my relationship with my wife, LOL damn concerned, loving little Bitch! Thank you for sharing


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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chinacat72 said:
It was almost a year ago that I swore I would never IV DMT again. Do to my curiousity to penetrate further I ignored the reasons I  swore off IVing this powerful psychedelic.

Last night:
Sweat started to bead on my forehead as I looked at the syringe that held 75mg. of DMT. I had been shaking all afternoon thinking about the experiance to come. After my kids were safley in bed I told my wife of my intentions and headed into the den. She gave me the look a mother gives her child when he does something playfully foolish. As I layed on the couch in the den I pondered why I chose 75mg. This was to be the highest dose I  IV'd in my 20 year relationship with this drug. I decided to get on with it because the longer I waited the more my anxiety increased. I called my wife in and said it was time.

As soon as the plunger was down I could taste the DMT. It tasted as though it all went directly to my mouth. I then thought that mabye I did too much. As with many other psychedelic sessions I thought ohh well now is as good as any time to die.That was the last thought I had. It hit me with the full force of a comet hitting a planet. The first flash of it was amazing. I could feel the energy penetrate my central nervous system. It sent shock waves through every neuron and cell in my body. I felt something pull me as though I was being sucked up and out of my body. I was being shot through levels of visions ,but was moving so fast I didn't have time enjoy them.

I was totally gone. Then I came to a place were I started to slow down. I felt kind of uncomfortable because I could tell I was not alone. Then this worm appeared in a greasy mechanics jumpsuit and said not to worry they were just checking under the hood and making some adjustments. Then I heard laughter. After that I traveled further on. After this point I can't really describe what went down. All I can say is the universe is so, so fucking vast. We havn't a clue as to the immensity of it.

Having ego death is one thing, but this was so much more. Ego death was just the begining. DMT allows us to travel to other worlds that our wildest imaginations couldn't even fathom. I would blast into a plane and there would be a celabration.
The were so happy to have company. I remember hearing this language that was totally estatic. Every sound caused exstacy. Everything was at such a high rate of speed that I couldn't cling and stay in any place for more than a moment. So much information. I felt as if it didn't matter to them if "I" processed the info. It was being recorded on a molecular level.

I started to come down about 400 years later. As I decended I was able to enjoy the visual planes I was unable to see on the way up. On the way up I felt like a bullet flying through a cartoon matrix of beautiful scenery. On the way down I was going much slower. I clould feel my wifes hand on my forehead. As I finally came down I was a feather floating gently to the ground.

When I opened my eyes I could see my wife and tears in her eyes. She said that about 2 minutes in my pulse was to high to count. She could see my viens bulging. I have high BP as it is and I imagine it really shot up because I had a headache later on. She just stared at me and I couldn't say a thing. It took awhile before I could talk again. She asked me about it and I said nothing. I just couldn't find the words. She seamed very concerned that I could have had a stroke. She gave me a kiss and said "I hope you found what you were looking for". This comment of hers set off a long time of processing exactly what I was looking for and what I found. I concluded I was looking for astonishment and I had gotten it tenfold.

So for now I will swear off IVing DMT and just smoking it during mushroom trips. If I ever do IV it again it won't be 75mg. When I smoke it on mushrooms I seem to get more info from the experiance. IVing it is so intense that the only thing you learn is you don't have a clue. Its like throwing yourself on a psychedelic grenade. Too much info too fast.

As the night wore on I started to feal very shakey and weak. My head was pounding and I felt that as I had pushed myself to far. It was a psychedelic electrocution. I was left astounded and unable to comprehend what had happened. Today I feel better, but unconnected to everyday reality. I go through to motions of my day ,but part of me is still gasping at what happened. Last night I was watching CNN since I couldn't sleep and they were talking about the space program. I had to grin at the thought of my experiance and how many billions of dollars they spend. Walking on Mars wouldn't be anything compared to DMT.

So after nearlly 20 years using this substance in different methods and amounts I would say I reached my limit. I will continue to use DMT a few times a year, but not at this intensity. Last year I shot 50mg. and was blown away. After 75mg. I dare not venture further. :gd_icon:


WOW!!! Peace & Love


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: majicman30] * 1
    #24770058 -

China cat IVs DMT and everyone drools over him..but when I do it nobody cares.

Fuck China cat. He doesn't follow the rules to the game. He's a liar. A great exaggerater 

But I do it with honesty bringing my experience to that experience and try telling people that IV 4aco is a whole new level and I get ridiculed.

But go ahead everyone, believe China cats lies.


Perception is reality but that still doesn't make it true!


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #24770202 -

Bill do you have the link to your report? Interested to read it


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Keep your feet on the ground and your head in the clouds :mushroom2:

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said:
China cat IVs DMT and everyone drools over him..but when I do it nobody cares.

Fuck China cat. He doesn't follow the rules to the game. He's a liar. A great exaggerater 

But I do it with honesty bringing my experience to that experience and try telling people that IV 4aco is a whole new level and I get ridiculed.

But go ahead everyone, believe China cats lies.


Perception is reality but that still doesn't make it true!


Damn Bill you've done it too!!! WOW Peace & Love


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Bill_Oreilly] * 2
    #24771719 -

Is it really that big of a deal?  Did you IV it to experience the trip or to get cool points on the shroomery?


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Amanita86] * 2
    #24771731 -

Trips come and go but cool points are here to stay.:llamastare:


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: pineninja] * 1
    #24771742 -

Bills name used to me The Mushroom Jesus...That trip pretty much sent him into a spiral, If I'm not mistaken. He had some rough days.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Thayendanegea]
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That trip occured way before my mental health issues.


The very first time i experienced schizophrenia type thoughts was here on the shroomery, actually. I was in the shroomery chat and a couple users started messing with me saying i was going to be killed and all this crazy stuff i believed 100%. Then the whole chat turned on me and it made me horrified. I was reading everything everyone wrote in a different way. I took every word and spun them automativally in my head to fit the notion i was going to be killed.

I forget the user, but lurking around here is 1 user who is responsible for the start of my schizophrenia.
He thought it was funny to fuck with me but didnt know how bad he was fucking with me


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
    #24773498 -

Im scared of DMT

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #24773774 -

I thought that trip was your beginning, oh well, sorry....I remember some guy fucking with you though...can't remember his name. Anyway, sounds like you're doing well now.:awesomenod:


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Look Deep Into Nature,and Then You Will Understand Everything Better.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Quote:
Surprisingly, besides the part i was more or less 'knocked out' from an overdose of informational energy. i never left my bedroom. I know i describe the trip as being in a hyperspace mode, yes, but it was more like a 'shift' that was turned on in my brain, it was like the secret shadow was unveiled and this reality is literally a stage by the aliens and this realization had me swept off my feet, i was watching and asking questions the whole time trying to deny the answers these aliens were giving me, and eventually when me and the alien spirits got down to it, it proved me wrong in all ways and felt like an idiot for questioning them. You will receive any question you ask. I promise. I never saw these aliens, only heard there distinct voice of meaning in a telepathic like dream-state of virtual reality.

After this level 12 experience, i realized why i considered it a level 12. Yes. You heard me. Another experienced IV user of 4-aco-dmt reports shooting 30mg, having a level 5, then shooting 40mg and reported it felt like DOUBLE(see) and was saying his goodbyes prepping for his death he was certain he just invoked, like i did.

I have tripped many times in my life, if i were to give you all a honest, but rough estimate, it goes something like this....Salvia 10-20x(7 times)  Mushrooms(about 20 times)    N-N-DMT(about 5 times)  LSD(about 4 times)  25C-NBOMe(1 time, high dose)    DXM(3 times)    mescaline(1 time)  and a few others....this 4-acO-dmt trip blew every single one of them out of the water, and if i had a choice i would pick that 1 trip rather than all my others combined.   


So take it for what it is.




Very first off...I tell you all and live by, and stress by this experience, TO SPREAD TRUTH. If you guys are serious about understanding the realm dmt couldnt dream of taking you, you NEED to try a large dose of IV.      N-N-DMT does not give you this rush, and experience.  N-N Dmt when injected, even said by mckenna, takes about 10 minutes to start working. This 4-aco, i wouldnt be surprised existed all along and it was the 'ultimate experience'. They had to know about this state of mind before they claimed. I am very confident to say i tapped into the 'gaian mind'..i witnessed THEE eschaton and what the whole malarkey is about experiencing the end. Because i did just that..here goes my sorry attempt to even trying to describe what happend that faithful day...

First off, let me say this. I am just a messenger. I havent been taught much in life, but always stayed true to myself in an epic, yet wreckless search of true knowledge. I am a loser, i flood myself with the most powerful tryptamines known to mankind and simply waits to see what happens. Well one night...i really did it this time fellers. When i tell you how my trip went, to my honest perspective as a human being, is how it went down and these this isnt just some drugs you do to get high, this is FOR THE HARDCORE TERENCE MCKENNA type psychonauts ONLY and i did not know what i was getting myself into, even after smoked dmt 5 times, 4 hits each, and once on psilocybin. Im not even sure if i was allowed to have this experience.

Break the bag open thinking im only shooting up a minor amount, which turned out to be about 40mgs, an apparent 'sweet spot' that i had somehow hit. This experience has cult written all over it, after injecting this highly potent milky solution, i was overwealmed by a 'rush' that was unlike any heroin rush, and i know my rushes. Im saying to myself "i cant believe i did this and my family is going to have to go on without me, oh well its too late now! i thought...then BOOM I exited the game at that moment. Electrical waves of information downloaded in the whole MATRIX-TYPE BARCODE running up my body at the speed of light while im spazzing and paralyzed in ecstasy, i looked at the arm i injected the substance in and it was covered in green black and white numbers in straight lines. running rapidly up and down my body, this was right when the rush started to cease, and right when the rush ended, and i was dead, there was this LOUD LOUD buzzing mixed with a beeping sound, and energy is caving in and on my sorroundings until i am being pushed up and down at the same time i thought i could explode, i was paralyzed during and a about 30 seconds after the rush, while this force of downloaded alien barcoaded ultimate knowldge is experienced is pushing me forward, until i reached the IT. I was dead, facedown, cheek against the keyboard of my laptop. Never has even heroin done this to me. This made dmt look like childs play in 'meaning of life', for reasons like this. I did something only very few human beings have EVER done and couldnt dream of doing. What did you do, mr.mushroom jesus? I merged with the all-knowing supercomputer, i was under the impression the whole world was too, i thought "it must be december 21st, its the only explanation(until i came out of it and realized what i really did) i was literally experiencing THEE virtual reality, i believe terence mckenna spoke about. Everything was dmt-like visuals with just this all around higher-state, literally, my mind was elevating during the trip. So i merged with the ultimate computer and felt so humble, and felt like aliens landing outside my window and revealed to us it was all this huge stage set up to test humans true nature, and we failed. we FAILED. So, im thinking my parents are going through this as well, but i was in this state that was real, not just 'fucked up man'.

Lucky for us, they have mercy on us and realize that we were lead astray. So i have merged with the super-computer alien, was shown how life is a test/game/play, now what? I was then shown by these ultimate teaching spirits that i cant remmeber if it was a part of the supercomputer, or if they were spirits by themselves but they explained to me(or me just explaining myself) the secrets of the human consciousness, i was let in this mythical doorway that i always saw on science fiction tv shows, but of the brain. The brain works like a forgetting onion layer,or HONEYCOMB and we are experiencing only the outer layer with that limited capacity for informational output and input. What i did, was i worked myself IN FROM THE OUT...i shot the dmt and was propelled instantly into the center of THE HONEYCOMB or THE SUPERCOMPUTER working my way out throughout the experience.

The reason i feel the need to type this up is because i had this experience, and read a report, that was extracted out of the depths of the internet, of a kid who experienced just what i did, and it had the same effect on him as it did me...like what we did was we did THE IT...the strongest sense of "NOW YOU REALLY DID IT THIS TIME" "OH SO THIS IS WHAT ITS ABOUT"...10x more than any smoked dmt trip. This experience, you all will see in due time, is legit. The more IV experiences with this chemical the more YOU WILL HEAR TRIPS JUST LIKE MINE, NO MATTER HOW CRAZY I SOUND. I am paving the way for others to DARE plunge into this sea.

The way i can describe it is this. Your walking around the earth, then one day, as your walking down the street, you fall over a cliff and fall into the sea of knowledge. THEE SEA. A sea that nn-dmt does not know. A sea consisted of real hyper-technology and the whole 9 yards.

After puting this chemical into my arm i realized what life was about. To experience this life clenching gripping experience of death and life of pure emotion that injecting a large dose of 4-aco. I somehow swam to the depths of my brain and set this landmark there, that i can always revist in my mind, but not emotionally.

MUST be experienced FOR THE HARDEST OF HARDCORE ONLY. ONLY. ONLY. I am not saying i qualify, because this trip was so awesomly scary i have some now and refuse to revist that side because i honestly dont know if i will come back. Im just here to tell you that it does exist, and to fear not because we all return to this all knowing supercomputer is which ourselves. The feeling of realizing you been lied to your whole life, and needed to be told the truth by some white powder explains alot about the world we are living in right now. IM TELLING YOU...if you only get one thing out of all this it should be this....This is the leader of IT ALL. This ultimate IT, is beautiful. I remember asking the gods what would of happend if i had died. They shrugged me off in a way like "if you could of learned anything down here, its that death is the ultimate mystery you will need to wait to encounter". I was given a sneak peak by being able to merge with this machine, which is my brain. You guys dont get it, our animal bodys are CONDUCTORS of energy/information barcode. That is it. We are a vessel so that this god can experience itself in A NEW way TO AMAZE ITSELF, if that makes ANY FUCKING SENSE. Right after the rush starts to end you have this "flash" thats feels like getting hit in the back of the head by the all-knowing alien. I got the flash, which was like a knockout punch, and when i was experiencing the trip, throughout the whole trip i was really convinced the world was going through this as well, i didnt know my name was david and i had just shot up a very powerful drug. It was scary, yes, but the most amazing part.



One reason why this experience has meant more than any of you can imagine is that I GREW UP CHRISTIAN, I expected to see fairys, demons, angels..etc. Not higher-dimensional space technology that was my own brain....etc.

edit: you will all poke fun at me calling me a troll, until you IV the eschaton, that is. Then you will know. What, chicken shit? If you guys need to get an IV administered by an expert and you close your eyes while it goes in like the school girls we all were and just DO IT. No matter what, you need to get it done, by all means. That is...if you are serious about all this shit you all havent even sunken your teeth into, and i barely have. Im telling you, DO IT WHILE ITS LEGAL...One day there will be a kid like myself, who does this crazy act, and demands to know what the FUCK just happened, he will read THIS trip report and go "wow, good to know im not the only one...."

After the rush it is hard to really know in chronological order, what happened. Im giving you my best realizations of the bits and chunks i went through.




Incase anybody cares, here is a quick experience from an experienced user of iv 4-aco on the drugs forum.

"SWIM's trip on 30mg was mostly crazy geostropic patterns and what not. No entities and nothing especially meaningful to SWIM. It was a hell of a ride.

Then, I tried 40mg. This dose was obviously stronger. It felt like twice as much. "Ahhhhhh... How will I get out of this?" SWIM kept thinking. He then gave into the trip and met all kinds of entities, deities, etc. He was in different dimensions of reality frequently. Changing between our world, the one above use three spaces all the way up to seventy two places above ours; all the way down to the negative numbers of dimensions.

Really... no one has any idea of how big this universe is? SWIM saw it all in under twenty minutes with just 40mg of 4 ACO DMT put into his arm. Try this, SWIM highly recommends it.

Peace."




Were all driving on the highway in life, life is being stopped in traffic until we die.

Smoking DMT and psilocybin by themselves or combined at any level, is like jumping off a huge ramp, and going as far as you get. without no getting hurt.

What i did...whatever that was....was jumping off the ramp and crashing into the wall, guts going everywhere and alien spirits scraping them off and smoking the bits and pieces little by little with some tin foil and a straw(lol). This is the single most epic experience known to man, and somebody needs to try this. I may sound craxy, but what i have is REPEAT ABILITY on my side  :shrug:




I also want to add, that i will most likely never purchase this chemical again, being confident i was fortunate it gave me "The Ultimate Experience". I really have less urge to experiment with other tryptamines, but do so anyway, just not 4-aco-dmt, although, upon further thinking i do want to try vapeing it and eating a heavy dose, maybe 50 mgs. I dont think i will ever be injecting this chemical again ever in my life, and defiantly wont be IVing any other tryptamine, for it would only shit on them. Honestly.


This is an instant RUSH..its what you get when you inject a drug into your bloodstream...i was doing it with heroin for 3 years and never got the feeling "UHP....IM DEAD" because of how severe it was. The effects that proceeded was me against this wall having a semi-seizure that was alien/matrix-barcoded driven surfing the wave of positive numbers all the way down to the negative with buzzing and beeping VERY loud. Then the experience worked its way out, and thats when i experienced everything i wrote.


This is the Holy Grail. If you dont believe me, dont call me a liar...TRY IT


I found your trip report.


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Look Deep Into Nature,and Then You Will Understand Everything Better.

Albert Einstein

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: GlenWillson]
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GlenWillson said:
Im scared of DMT



That's nothing to be ashamed of, young soulja


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.

It's just a shot away..

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Was hoping for a bit more detail but.. Interesting nonetheless.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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I might as well share my experience with iv dmt. Im not proud of this, but this is what happened. I had been having trouble with smoking my dmt freebase and getting anywhere, so i decided i would just inject some. I put a LOT (too much, i would later find out) into the spoon with some vinegar and drew it into the syringe. My plan was to inject it, toss the needle and lay on my side before i went out, incase i vomit i didnt want to aspirate. I injected it and almost immediately felt nauseous as i rolled on my side. The next thing i remember, i am in an all white room with a 1950's style nurse (outfit and all) taking care of me as i stare at the ceiling in a state of confusion and wonder. I remember there was a glass shelving unit that was seperated into square storage spaces. Through each square was a different point in space and time. I could look through them and watch what was going on. I slowly started to fade back into reality as my entire room was white and full of light. With a nasty taste in my mouth, and eyes wide open, i layed there for a while, looking at my brown shirt. Then i realized that my shirt wasnt brown. It was blue and i was COVERED in puke. I had projectile vomited all over myself and my bed. I went to the mirror and saw, for the first time in years, my old addict self. Ashamed and frustrated, i cleaned myself up and tried to laugh it off. I ended up feeling AMAZING for the rest of the day. Not high, just euphoria. The idiocy of the experience aside, i realized that all the dmt in the world wont break you through unless you are ready. Ive since figured out how to smoke it properly and have taken a couple steps back to ensure i dont slide back into my old ways.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: chinacat72]
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chinacat72 said:
Don't be nervous man. Smoking it is not nearly as intense as slaming it. Smoking it is a very good way to get the full effect. Its intense, but IV is just fuckin crazy. :nut:

My prefered method is to smoke 50mg. after the peak of a shroom trip. This alows me to get more out of the experiance. I'm able to stay up longer and its not as big of a shock because I'm already high and open from the mushrooms. :mushroom2:


Actually that's not 100% true. Smoking it can be just at intense as IV but it doesn't last as long. You can literally smoke to the point where you black out and don't remember anything.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Shenmue]
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There's really no good reason to IV dmt. Its extremely dangerous to IV dmt that you extracted at home. It has to be extremely clean or it can fucking kill you! Good luck injecting and pulling out the needle out before you blast off 😳!

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Shenmue]
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To be fair, its not difficult to get the injection in and then put the needle on the table or something. I wouldnt reccommend trying to put the cap back on it though. Probably not enough time for that. As far as it killing you, i wouldnt be so sure. Whens the last time u heard of junkies dying because of impurities? They inject unsafe substances many times a daily. I doubt that a few dmt injections is going to do any harm. Dont take this as me saying that theres zero risk involved ,though.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Psychonaut1029]
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Psychonaut1029 said:
To be fair, its not difficult to get the injection in and then put the needle on the table or something. I wouldnt reccommend trying to put the cap back on it though. Probably not enough time for that. As far as it killing you, i wouldnt be so sure. Whens the last time u heard of junkies dying because of impurities? They inject unsafe substances many times a daily. I doubt that a few dmt injections is going to do any harm. Dont take this as me saying that theres zero risk involved ,though.


I just know how stupid people are. You should see how some of these idiot's are extracting their dmt! I was a dmtnexus member for years and I've watched several extraction videos. A lot of these kids are using plastic extraction vessels and not giving the solvent enough time to separate from the solution. They almost never do a re-x at the end. If they purchased the dmt off the street God knows what else is in it. I don't recommend you IV DMT unless you have a proper laboratory and 100% pure solvents.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Shenmue]
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It might be easy for you to inject but some people are extremely sensitive to dmt! I blast off almost instantly once the vapor hits my lungs. Some people take a little longer.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Shenmue]
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Shenmue said:
It might be easy for you to inject but some people are extremely sensitive to dmt! I blast off almost instantly once the vapor hits my lungs. Some people take a little longer.

i would argue that thats not relevant. The only relevant point would be that i am probably more experienced with needles than alot of people. Takes me 5 seconds to poke, draw, and inject. Another second later and im laying down ready to trip. As far as smoking it goes, i just take hits until i blast off. I never remember exhaling my last hit. And i would agree with the post that said that smoked dmt can be as intense as iv dmt. Depends on how much you can get in your lungs before you go OOB, in my experience. The heavy iv dose seemed to last a bit longer though.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Shenmue]
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Shenmue said:
Psychonaut1029 said:
To be fair, its not difficult to get the injection in and then put the needle on the table or something. I wouldnt reccommend trying to put the cap back on it though. Probably not enough time for that. As far as it killing you, i wouldnt be so sure. Whens the last time u heard of junkies dying because of impurities? They inject unsafe substances many times a daily. I doubt that a few dmt injections is going to do any harm. Dont take this as me saying that theres zero risk involved ,though.


I just know how stupid people are. You should see how some of these idiot's are extracting their dmt! I was a dmtnexus member for years and I've watched several extraction videos. A lot of these kids are using plastic extraction vessels and not giving the solvent enough time to separate from the solution. They almost never do a re-x at the end. If they purchased the dmt off the street God knows what else is in it. I don't recommend you IV DMT unless you have a proper laboratory and 100% pure solvents.

youre for sure right that its not a good idea, and people are stupid. Im a dumbass for injecting freebase dmt. My position is that its a bit of an exaggeration to say that itll kill you, though. Although its possible, its unlikely.


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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Psychonaut1029]
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I personally think it's fucking stupid 🤷‍♂️. Just buy a Sherlock glass vapor genie and a small torch lighter. If that doesn't give you a powerful enough experience then nothing will. You can always take more hits and keep the trip going. You can even take a MAOI before you blast off to extend the trip as long if not longer than a iv trip . If you're going to IV no matter what then you should at least research the topic and ask questions on the dmtnexus. Just my opinions 🤷‍♂️

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Shenmue]
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This is all you need :smile:

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Shenmue]
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Just cuz you guys r some rich psychonauts doesnt mean the rest of us are. As much as id love to have a gvg, im not spending $100 or more so i can smoke my half a gram of dmt efficiently. I finally figured out the sandwich method effectively. The only downside is that im not really able to try dimitri without weed.

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Psychonaut1029 said:
Just cuz you guys r some rich psychonauts doesnt mean the rest of us are. As much as id love to have a gvg, im not spending $100 or more so i can smoke my half a gram of dmt efficiently. I finally figured out the sandwich method effectively. The only downside is that im not really able to try dimitri without weed.


You have to be rich to buy a GVG? It's also amazing for smoking weed. I never said you had to buy anything 🤣.  You can make the machine, make enhanced leaf and smoke out of a bong, use a dab rig. There's many cheap things you can do that's superior to the sandwich method. If I was you i would make enhanced leaf because it's cheap and works a lot better. You can do what you want though.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Shenmue]
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Shenmue said:
Psychonaut1029 said:
Just cuz you guys r some rich psychonauts doesnt mean the rest of us are. As much as id love to have a gvg, im not spending $100 or more so i can smoke my half a gram of dmt efficiently. I finally figured out the sandwich method effectively. The only downside is that im not really able to try dimitri without weed.


You have to be rich to buy a GVG? It's also amazing for smoking weed. I never said you had to buy anything 🤣.  You can make the machine, make enhanced leaf and smoke out of a bong, use a dab rig. There's many cheap things you can do that's superior to the sandwich method. If I was you i would make enhanced leaf because it's cheap and works a lot better. You can do what you want though.


Sry lol its just frustrating. Every thread about dmt use methods always has someone whos like "just get yourself a damn gvg." Im a broke bitch, envious of you guys with your gvgs, and volcanos.

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Shenmue]
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The machine

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/The_Machine

Enhanced leaf

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=3539

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Leaf_Enhancement

https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Changa

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Re: IV DMT Revisited [Re: Psychonaut1029]
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Psychonaut1029 said:
Shenmue said:
Psychonaut1029 said:
Just cuz you guys r some rich psychonauts doesnt mean the rest of us are. As much as id love to have a gvg, im not spending $100 or more so i can smoke my half a gram of dmt efficiently. I finally figured out the sandwich method effectively. The only downside is that im not really able to try dimitri without weed.


You have to be rich to buy a GVG? It's also amazing for smoking weed. I never said you had to buy anything 🤣.  You can make the machine, make enhanced leaf and smoke out of a bong, use a dab rig. There's many cheap things you can do that's superior to the sandwich method. If I was you i would make enhanced leaf because it's cheap and works a lot better. You can do what you want though.


Sry lol its just frustrating. Every thread about dmt use methods always has someone whos like "just get yourself a damn gvg." Im a broke bitch, envious of you guys with your gvgs, and volcanos.


You would be so amazed how well the gvg works! When I first purchased mine I loaded 10mg thinking it wouldn't do anything and I actually left my body 😳 lol. You can barely taste the vapor because it's so smooth! I own every bong and pipe you can think of but nothing works better for dmt than the gvg. It's like it was made for dmt. It's worth the 120$ in my opinion because it saves a shit ton of dmt. One big hit can give you a breakthrough. People spend thousands to fly to the Amazon to try dmt. I don't think a hundred bucks is a big deal 🤷‍♂️. I understand you cant afford it now but I would pick one up when you get a better paying job.

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