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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: ExplosiveMango] * 1
    #9716766 - 02/01/09 11:02 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I have quite a bit of experience with IV DMT.  I convert my synthetic freebase to acetate form with white distilled vinegar.  I've heard that the acetate salt of DMT absorbs the most (or one of the most) efficiently of the salts.  Of course I use sterile glass vials, a .22 micron filter (which is ABSOLUTELY necessary for safety if you are trying to convert the freebase into an injectable solution), and syringes and needles for measuring and filtration.

In my experience, 30mg will put you straight into DMT land (I am 120 pounds).  Doses above that just get more and more intense.
15-20mg is a good "taste" so you will know what you're getting into, and you will be more prepared for the next (presumably higher) dose.

A few seconds after pushing the solution into your vein, you will get a very strange DMT/indole like taste in your mouth for a split second (arm to tongue time) and after that, the taste goes away quickly and off to hyperspace you go.

I quite prefer IV DMT to smoked DMT, as it is much easier to break through and it is more intense.  You will use less DMT to get to where you want to go as compared to smoking.  I usually end up smoking it more often because I don't like to IV frequently, but don't get me wrong, it's amazing.  I just have some solution in an airtight glass vial w/ septum on hand at all times, in case the time calls for it.  And when I just want to "spice" up (no pun intended) an LSD trip, I just take like a 20mg hit out of my Machine...

Of course, when you get into anything to do with needles, you are risking your health more, ESPECIALLY if you don't know EXACTLY what you are doing.  Smoking it is just so much safer, and I don't think this is necessary unless you have a hard time smoking it/breaking through.  If you have never self-administered an intravenous injection of a psychoactive drug before, I wouldn't recommend starting now AT ALL.

I recommend against doing a conversion for most, but if you feel you have to do it, you MUST do it right for safety purposes.  And I wouldn't try to convert DMT that came from an extraction, unless it was extremely clean, but even then there still could be some leftover plant proteins in there (which you don't want in your blood stream ---- danger of anaphalactic shock). 

I have a text file that tells you the exact equipment you need to order and from where (syringes, needles, vials, filters), and also the exact procedure, done right and sterile.  Molar conversions are also included so you know exactly how much vinegar (5% acidity) will be needed to dissolve the amount you want to convert.  I got my solution to 78mg/ml, but that is diluted half with H2O, so you could get it much higher, but the acidity would also be higher.  The solution I make does not burn at all when going into a vein, and I assume that if you used 100% vinegar it would.

So, in the name of harm reduction, I am offering this text file to anyone who seriously wants it and is willing to order the proper equipment and do it correctly...  It is absolutely essential that you follow these instructions exactly when converting DMT freebase powder to a salt for injection (IV or IM), otherwise your solution could end up not sterile, not effective, dangerous, or too acidic, and this would be a serious risk to your safety.  A friend of mine in his third year of medical school helped me compile and add details to the text file, so it IS the right way to do it.  If you want the text file, PM me and I can help you out.  Please do not even think about doing this without a .22 micron filter.

However, you must know, that all of the supplies needed (besides the DMT) will run you at least $20-35, depending on how many filters and sterile vials you buy.  And this price does not include the (obviously necessary) IV/insulin needles...a box of one hundred 1cc x 28g x 1/2" insulin needles will run you $12-15 (one time use only) at the site I ordered all my other stuff from.  So, if you are not willing to spend this (quite small) amount of money to ensure your health and safety during this process, please do not even bother PM'ing me.

P.S. Keep in mind that intramuscular (IM) injections of solutions like this is more dangerous than IV injections.  This is because it sits on your muscle for a while (as opposed to IV where it just disperses into your bloodstream immediately), and if it's not sterile there is a risk of abscesses (especially with repeated administration).  Kind of like how IM'ing black tar heroin is a lot more dangerous than IV administration, due to purity and lack of sterility.  I have heard that IM'ing DMT lasts approx. an hour, but you need much higher doses when compared to smoking/IV'ing, like 100mg.

I hope I helped out or educated at least someone with this post.  If you can break through on DMT from smoking it and do not have a huge problem with smoking it, I wouldn't say that this process is at all necessary.

Happy tripping!
Ryan


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Talk me into shooting DMT
    #8131839 - 03/11/08 01:17 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

So I have in front of me a solution of DMT hcl in sterile saline, and some fresh needles.

Now all I need is the courage to take the plunge. Thats where you guys come in. I know that I need to do this on my own, I just need a little shove from some of you knowledgeable folks.

Seeing as how I have never IV'ed anything myself before, thats only adding to my apprehension about this whole situation. Now I have read every guide I could find on safe IV drug use, so no need to help me out in the department.

I guess I just need a little kick in the ass to get me to actually go through with this.


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8131912 - 03/11/08 01:35 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

If you do decide to, you are in a wild ride I know that much. It's your choice....

Just don't inject too much, once its in your system it's in your system and there's no turning back. So use caution as to how much you IV, you may regret it. How many cc or mL of solution will you be injecting, or rather, how many mg's are dissolved in this solution? There's a pretty good trip report by chinacat about this I believe, look into that if you haven't already.


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8131995 - 03/11/08 01:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Oh yeah, I've read his trip report, as well as "The Spirit Molecule" cover to cover.

I'm shooting for the famed 0.4 mg per kilogram, which with my solution turns out to be about 40 units, and about 25mg of spice. Now when I say 25mg I mean of the freebase, before it was converted to the HCL.

Thanks for advice on caution, I plan to shoot a half dose, or around 15-20 units first. To test the waters, then if I feel up to it, do the rest a few hours later.


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8132022 - 03/11/08 02:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Just make sure to immediately assume your comfortable position cause you will only have about 5 seconds IF that. No shit. Or at least this is my past experience with junk. About 4 to 5 seconds after injection is complete you will be in another fucking world. Please keep us updated and be safe.

I wish i had more advice to offer but you aint shooting oxy or heroin so i cant recommend anything....just be safe and have fun:cool:

Don't miss the vain please.


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: xshadowmage666x]
    #8132029 - 03/11/08 02:06 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Only 25 mg? Do 75 like chinacat!


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Re: Talk me into shooting DMT [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
    #8132062 - 03/11/08 02:16 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I know your kidding, but man chinacat is hard-motherfucking-core, I know I couldn't handle 75mg IV yet, I mean shit, even HE said it was too intense.

Maybe one day... but probably not

I'm going to start with ~12mg and then go to 25mg if all goes well with the trial.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8132099 - 03/11/08 02:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

unless this is pharm grade, i would never dream of doing it, as much as im/iv dmt intrigues me.

and i seriously, seriously doubt you have pharm grade dimethyl

imagine if there was even the littles bit of lye remaining in the product. the tiniest speck of lye readily burns a hole in the skin, now let's think about what would happen if that happened internally...


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: demiu5]
    #8132187 - 03/11/08 02:41 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

demius said:
unless this is pharm grade, i would never dream of doing it, as much as im/iv dmt intrigues me.

and i seriously, seriously doubt you have pharm grade dimethyl

imagine if there was even the littles bit of lye remaining in the product.  the tiniest speck of lye readily burns a hole in the skin, now let's think about what would happen if that happened internally...




Wow i wasnt aware of this...and you make a great point!:thumbup:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: demiu5]
    #8132485 - 03/11/08 03:48 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Thank you for the warning. I too was very wary of this, and all other contaminants.

So I meticulously re-crystallized 3 times. I dissolved in minimal about of hot solvent(bestine) then allowed it to cool until the undissolved sludge at the bottom solidified enough to pour off the DMT rich solvent on top. I then freeze precipitated and filtered. At the end my product was beautiful, shimmering, white, and crystalline.

I was very surprised how much of the original product was left behind in this purification process. I started with a little over a gram, and got it down to 310mg of snow-white, shimmering spice. Now I'm sure a good portion of this waxy yellow stuff left behind is DMT, but I'm glad I'm not going to be shooting any of it.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8132514 - 03/11/08 03:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

You don't need to worry about lye contamination, any that was there will have turned into saltwater upon the addition of HCl.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8132551 - 03/11/08 04:08 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Do you have somone injecting it for you? If not i do not know if you will be able to recap the needle.  If you have a drawer throw it in ASAP so not to stab yourself.  Otherwise man, i have heard many a good things with this. :laugh: im sure you will be all right!! i REALLY want to do this myself.  DO IT DO IT DOIT :P also make sure you hit the vein, draw some blood back.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: NationofStrangers]
    #8132594 - 03/11/08 04:20 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

this is crazy.
:rockon:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: bmiles]
    #8132634 - 03/11/08 04:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Do it. No Holding back. Tell me how it goes :grin::yourock:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: NationofStrangers]
    #8132641 - 03/11/08 04:26 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Well, I do plan on doing it by myself. I have one friend who I would trust to do it for me, but he is a recovering heroin addict. He's been clean for over 6 months now, and I really don't think asking him to help me inject something is a good idea. I know another one of my friends is familiar with needles, but I don't exactly trust him enough to do this for me, plus he told me before that he is scared of DMT.

So I think its all going to come down to me doing this myself.

Maybe I should do a trial run with just sterile saline first. Just to get the hang of hitting a vein, and the whole bit.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: boletusoftruth]
    #8132648 - 03/11/08 04:27 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I want to do this.....smoking is alright but I feel like a tweaker hitting the base pipe.

This way I can feel like a junkie :wink:

Psychedelic junkie :mushroom2:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: boletusoftruth]
    #8132658 - 03/11/08 04:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

:royalrainbow:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8132661 - 03/11/08 04:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

psychedelic junkie, i like dat.


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: Robo]
    #8132675 - 03/11/08 04:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Omni said:
This way I can feel like a junkie :wink:

Psychedelic junkie :mushroom2:




HAHA when I went to get the syringes, the first pharmacist looked at me like I was some low life, and told me he couldn't sell them to me. The next place didn't ask any questions, except if I wanted store brand generic :grin:


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Re: Talk me out of shooting DMT [Re: d4a2n0k]
    #8132686 - 03/11/08 04:33 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

You'll be fine. Just do it.


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